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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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unless the problem is to wide spread and the victims are a minority

Smelly people are a minority (in most locales) and generally avoided by everyone with a sense of smell.
 
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There are places where gays and blacks are accepted so that point is invalid.

Again, you dont have a right to others property


The fact that it is my property gives me the right to decide who i sell it to. Now whats your counter point? What gives you the right to force me to sell it to you?

getting there is not necessarily;y within any ones means

and being bale to force people form there homes extends well beyond the property of business owners
 
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You'll need to submit a study to the state that breaks out the population within 30 miles of your place of business over 65 separate and distinct demographic categories. The nuggets will then need to be allocated proportionally to members of each category. If one or more category chooses not to purchase your product you will have to submit a report detailing the attempts you have made to make your product acceptable to that category. If they still refuse you must submit their portion of the product to the state for distribution. However, if at any time within a 6 year period after the groups second refusal they change their mind you will be required to provide them with the agreed upon product at a price no greater than that at which they refused. Failure to comply with this regulation will result in charges of domestic terrorism and rendition to a reeducation facility.

This nightmare scenario is not too far off. Already we've seen the Obama Administration suing a bank which made high quality loans and suffering a miniscule default rate because it made too few loans to black families under their race-neutral lending formula. The bank had to pay a large fine for not making riskier loans.

Then there is the case of the Obama Administration strong-arming schools if the school discipline meted out doesn't match the proportions of the racial groups attending that school.

Liberals have a totalitarian beast in their heart and they want to impose their vision of how things SHOULD be onto everyone else and punish them into compliance.
 
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unless the problem is to wide spread and the victims are a minority

Victims? We aren't talking about commuting acts of violence. We are talking about providing or refusing service. You don't have a right to someone else's service, labor or property. If you insist that you do, then you are saying that person is your slave and must serve you.

And we are talking private business, not government.
 
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Smelly people are a minority (in most locales) and generally avoided by everyone with a sense of smell.

and not letting them buy soap surly helps
 
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and not letting them buy soap surly helps

Someone, somewhere, is willing to take their money in exchange for soap. Point nullified.
 
Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

getting there is not necessarily;y within any ones means

and being bale to force people form there homes extends well beyond the property of business owners

Forcing someone from their home is a crime and should be dealt with accordingly. Refusing to sell them a bar of soap, however, isn't.
 
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I'm just blown away by some of the arguments made in this thread.

If I'm a vegetarian restaurant should I be required to provide meat products?
If I'm a Jewish deli should I be required to serve ham and cheese sandwiches?
If I'm a christian book store should I be required to sell the Koran?
If I'm a cigar store should I be required to provide a non-smoking section?
If I'm Abercrombie and Fitch should I be required to have a big and tall section?

At some point your desire for my services just might conflict with my religious beliefs and to use the law to compel me to provide those services is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. I'm sick and freaking tired of people trying to use the coercive force of government to chip away at my rights.
 
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This nightmare scenario is not too far off. Already we've seen the Obama Administration suing a bank which made high quality loans and suffering a miniscule default rate because it made too few loans to black families under their race-neutral lending formula. The bank had to pay a large fine for not making riskier loans.

Then there is the case of the Obama Administration strong-arming schools if the school discipline meted out doesn't match the proportions of the racial groups attending that school.

Liberals have a totalitarian beast in their heart and they want to impose their vision of how things SHOULD be onto everyone else and punish them into compliance.

"make me a sandwich or I'll get the government on you and put you out of business!"....... "And give me a bargain while your at it!!"
 
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What I find odd is that all of these liberal totalitarians in this thread aren't recounting their own boycotts of Chinese restaurants which are staffed entirely by Chinese people or the Sushi joints staffed by Japanese. The rampant employment discrimination in these establishments needs to be eradicated.

Think of the fine experience you can have as a nice Irish lass, with flaming red hair, take your order and the Nigerian cook fires up the wok to cook your dinner. Now that's fine dining, multicultural style brought to you by your local liberal totalitarian oppressors.
 
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I'm just blown away by some of the arguments made in this thread.

1.)If I'm a vegetarian restaurant should I be required to provide meat products?
2.)If I'm a Jewish deli should I be required to serve ham and cheese sandwiches?
3.)If I'm a christian book store should I be required to sell the Koran?
4.)If I'm a cigar store should I be required to provide a non-smoking section?
5.)If I'm Abercrombie and Fitch should I be required to have a big and tall section?

6.)At some point your desire for my services just might conflict with my religious beliefs and to use the law to compel me to provide those services is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. I'm sick and freaking tired of people trying to use the coercive force of government to chip away at my rights.

1.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
2.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
3.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
4.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
5.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights

none of these examples are parallels of illegal discrimination and violating individual rights, none of them

6.) good thing this factually isnt happening so you can stop being sick and tired
 
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1.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
2.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
3.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
4.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
5.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights

none of these examples are parallels of illegal discrimination and violating individual rights, none of them

6.) good thing this factually isnt happening so you can stop being sick and tired

Not serving whites or Indians doesn't violate anyone's rights either. Unless you believe that you have a right to someone's labor, service ad property.... Which means you believe in slavery.
 
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What I find odd is that all of these liberal totalitarians in this thread aren't recounting their own boycotts of Chinese restaurants which are staffed entirely by Chinese people or the Sushi joints staffed by Japanese. The rampant employment discrimination in these establishments needs to be eradicated.

Think of the fine experience you can have as a nice Irish lass, with flaming red hair, take your order and the Nigerian cook fires up the wok to cook your dinner. Now that's fine dining, multicultural style brought to you by your local liberal totalitarian oppressors.

well im by no means a liberal totalitarians but if any of those places are breaking the law they need prosecuted :shrug:

the law and rights works the same and applies to ALL OF US, thats way this law will eventually fail because its people trying to get special treatment
 
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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

Why anyone would live there is beyond me.

I do not think churches,wedding cake places, chapels and other related businesses should be sued/fined out of existence or forced to marry gays if homosexuality is against their religion. So I support this. Just my two cents. I am not going to debate this.
 
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I'm just blown away by some of the arguments made in this thread.

If I'm a vegetarian restaurant should I be required to provide meat products?
If I'm a Jewish deli should I be required to serve ham and cheese sandwiches?
If I'm a christian book store should I be required to sell the Koran?
If I'm a cigar store should I be required to provide a non-smoking section?
If I'm Abercrombie and Fitch should I be required to have a big and tall section?

At some point your desire for my services just might conflict with my religious beliefs and to use the law to compel me to provide those services is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. I'm sick and freaking tired of people trying to use the coercive force of government to chip away at my rights.

They think that they can cure bigotry. The best part is that they think they can do it through force.

Instead of letting them have their beliefs or allowing them the epiphany at their own pace, they'll just show their own intolerance and cause even more hatred. They have the George Bush method of "winning hearts and minds".
 
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1.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
2.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
3.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
4.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights
5.) of course not and this violates nobodys rights

none of these examples are parallels of illegal discrimination and violating individual rights, none of them

6.) good thing this factually isnt happening so you can stop being sick and tired

Just when I thought you couldn't get more wrong you post again and prove me wrong. :lol:
 
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Not serving whites or Indians doesn't violate anyone's rights either.
2.)Unless you believe that you have a right to someone's labor, service ad property.... Which means you believe in slavery.

1.) if you are talking about denying service strictly based on race, facts, laws, rights, and court cases all prove you wrong :shrug: this is currently a fact that can not be proven wrong
2.) this has nothing to do with what being discussed its a failed strawman and your opinion and nothing more
 
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well im by no means a liberal totalitarian

From what I've read of your position upthread, there's no doubt that you are a totalitarian content with trampling people's human rights in order to impose your "liberal" vision upon society. It has to be your way, and damn the human rights of those you oppress to get your way.

Own your totalitarianism.
 
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Just when I thought you couldn't get more wrong you post again and prove me wrong. :lol:

facts, rights, laws and court precedents > your opinion
facts, rights, laws and court precedents all prove you factually wrong
remind me what you have on your side besides your opinion/philosophy :laughat:
 
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facts, rights, laws and court precedents > your opinion
facts, rights, laws and court precedents all prove you factually wrong
remind me what you have on your side besides your opinion/philosophy :laughat:

And the record starts to skip again.
 
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1.)From what I've read of your position upthread, there's no doubt that you are a totalitarian content with trampling people's human rights in order to impose your "liberal" vision upon society.
2.)It has to be your way, and damn the human rights of those you oppress to get your way.
3.)Own your totalitarianism.

1.) you are free to have that opinion but facts prove otherwise :shrug:
2.) im pro human rights LMAO
3.) cant own what doesnt exists

please keep trying though its entertaining and awesome
 
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And the record starts to skip again.

translation: no agent j i still have nothing to support me but my meaningless opinions/philosophies
let me know when you do :)

I LOVE IT! lol
Your post fails and gets destroyed again and fats win . . . again
 
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2.) im pro human rights LMAO

Rights are not born from force being imposed by the government on individual parties for the benefit of others. Something you will never understand. That does however describe exactly the mindset of a tyrant.
 
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translation: no agent j i still have nothing to support me but my meaningless opinions/philosophies
let me know when you do :)

I LOVE IT! lol
Your post fails and gets destroyed again and fats win . . . again

I'm been asking for you to defend the court for how many threads on this subject and how many times have you done so?

TEN? NONE

You're entirely and utterly useless Agent.
 
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