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Read more: Michael Dunn guilty on four counts, including attempted murder; mistrial declared on first-degree murder charge  - NY Daily News


Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial


Jacksonville, Florida (CNN) -- A jury on Saturday night convicted a Florida man on four charges related to his shooting into an SUV full of teenagers during an argument over loud music, but could not decide on the most serious charge -- murder.
Michael Dunn was found guilty on four charges, including three for attempted second-degree murder, which could land him behind bars for decades. But they couldn't reach a verdict on the most significant charge: first-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis.
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Michael Dunn guilty on four counts, including attempted murder; mistrial declared on first-degree murder charge  - NY Daily News
Jury couldn't agree on first-degree murder in Dunn trial
Fla. man guilty of lesser counts in 'loud music' shooting | Fox News


Good riddance to that nut case, that thug will probably die in prison making the streets a safer place.
 
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Yeah, I think they're right. And the state will probably re-try him on the 1st degree murder charge. I don't know how they can call it pre-meditated, frankly...I don't know, maybe they won't re-try him. It's a bit of a stretch.

But he did wrong. He's a very bad example of a gun-owner. If he hadn't left? If there had been a gun? Maybe they'd have found it. The leaving is what did it for me. No reasonable person would leave the scene when they'd killed someone. If he was afraid and THAT'S why he left right away? Then you call the coppers immediately or go right to the station. Maybe he was BAC impaired.
 
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I'm still slack-jawed over the fact that they found the guy guilty of three counts of attempted murder on the guys he didn't manage to kill, but couldn't agree on a murder conviction on the guy he did manage to kill. WTF is up with that?? I can't imagine what the parents of that poor dead teenager must be going through right now, knowing that their son has still not received justice.

****ing Florida juries are all nutjobs. :(
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

Yeah, I think they're right. And the state will probably re-try him on the 1st degree murder charge. I don't know how they can call it pre-meditated, frankly...I don't know, maybe they won't re-try him. It's a bit of a stretch.

But he did wrong. He's a very bad example of a gun-owner. If he hadn't left? If there had been a gun? Maybe they'd have found it. The leaving is what did it for me. No reasonable person would leave the scene when they'd killed someone. If he was afraid and THAT'S why he left right away? Then you call the coppers immediately or go right to the station. Maybe he was BAC impaired.

Well I do agree going for M1 seemed wrong but they did explain how it applies under law a couple times, I admit i didnt really understand the reasoning.

M2 or manslaughter should have been EXTREMELY easy for they jury I have no clue why they didnt just charge him with the lesser unanimously.

I cant see any member not thinking he wasnt guilty of murder 2 or manslughter



Yes leaving was huge theres no way to justify

leaving and going to your hotel.
Ordering food.
Taking out the dog.
watching a movie.
Going to sleep.
Waking up and seeing on the news you killed a kid.
Packing
Drive 2.5 hours home and never call the police


then theres ZERO corroborative evidence of a gun or death threats or the victim even getting out of the car

then there the actual trail where he was proven to be a liar by his own girlfriend

cant believe they were hung on a murder charge
im still happy he is going to rot in prison for life though, its a victory for justice
 
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I'm still slack-jawed over the fact that they found the guy guilty of three counts of attempted murder on the guys he didn't manage to kill, but couldn't agree on a murder conviction on the guy he did manage to kill. WTF is up with that?? I can't imagine what the parents of that poor dead teenager must be going through right now, knowing that their son has still not received justice.

****ing Florida juries are all nutjobs. :(

I agree it doesnt make sense


I mean i cant imagine any jury not being able to agree on M1, M2 or manslughter

if there was a juror stuck on m2 or manslaughter why didnt the other jurors just come down to that charge he is already going to prsison for life basically


it makes me think that there was somebody stupid enough on that jury to think he was innocent.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

how on earth does this happen? How can a jury in heavens name not agree on a murder charge in such a case. Hopefully they can go back and do this trial again with a more sane jury.
 
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I think they reached to high with trying him for 1st degree murder, they should have went for trying him on 2nd degree murder or some lesser charge.The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital). Comparing this case to the Zimmerman case is ****ing idiotic seeing how Zimmerman was getting his head bashed in.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

1.)I think they reached to high with trying him for 1st degree murder, they should have went for trying him on 2nd degree murder or some lesser charge.

2.)The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital).

3.) Comparing this case to the Zimmerman case is ****ing idiotic seeing how Zimmerman was getting his head bashed in.

1.) I agree and said so many times myself in many posts/threads.

what seems weird though is, say they did have a juror stuck on M2 or manslaughter, why didnt the rest of the jurors just come down to that lesser charge? I mean he is basically going to jail for life anyway.

this makes me think there was somebody mentally retarded enough on that jury to think he is innocent.

2.) correct but since there was no corroborating evidence whatsoever, even evidence that supports he made it up it, his story became pretty meaningless and once he took the stand he proved him self to be a liar so that really did him in.

3.) agree and dont care about Zimm
 
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What is the definition of first degree murder in Florida? Am I right in my understanding that the act has to fit the definition provided by the state?
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

I wonder if Floridas 10-20-Life law will play into his sentencing.

The law specifies exactly what categories of crimes fall under it, it mandates that offenders be sentenced to the law's maximum allowable extent for the committed felony, and that the mandatory sentences must be completed consecutively to any additional sentence an offender must serve.[2][6]
The law's name comes from three main mandatory sentences: 1) producing a firearm during the commission of certain felonies mandates at least a 10-year prison sentence; 2) firing one mandates at least a 20-year prison sentence;
10-20-Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If so there is no chance of a concurrent sentencing.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

I think they reached to high with trying him for 1st degree murder, they should have went for trying him on 2nd degree murder or some lesser charge.The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital). Comparing this case to the Zimmerman case is ****ing idiotic seeing how Zimmerman was getting his head bashed in.

I agree with you about the Zimmerman comparison. There is none. If I'm not mistaken, the only person comparing it to the Zimmerman/Martin case was the defense attorney. Nice try.
 
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What is the definition of murder in Florida? Am I right in my understanding that the act has to fit the definition provided by the state?

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
782.04 Murder.—[/U]
(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:
1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;
2. When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:
a. Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
b. Arson,
c. Sexual battery,
d. Robbery,
e. Burglary,
f. Kidnapping,
g. Escape,
h. Aggravated child abuse,
i. Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
j. Aircraft piracy,
k. Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
l. Carjacking,
m. Home-invasion robbery,
n. Aggravated stalking,
o. Murder of another human being,
p. Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,
q. Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
r. Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism; or
3. Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium, or methadone by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.
(b) In all cases under this section, the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 shall be followed in order to determine sentence of death or life imprisonment.
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) When a human being is killed during the perpetration of, or during the attempt to perpetrate, any:
(a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
(b) Arson,
(c) Sexual battery,
(d) Robbery,
(e) Burglary,
(f) Kidnapping,
(g) Escape,
(h) Aggravated child abuse,
(i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
(j) Aircraft piracy,
(k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
(l) Carjacking,
(m) Home-invasion robbery,
(n) Aggravated stalking,
(o) Murder of another human being,
(p) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
(q) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
(r) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony commits murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:
(a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
(b) Arson,
(c) Sexual battery,
(d) Robbery,
(e) Burglary,
(f) Kidnapping,
(g) Escape,
(h) Aggravated child abuse,
(i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
(j) Aircraft piracy,
(k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
(l) Unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
(m) Carjacking,
(n) Home-invasion robbery,
(o) Aggravated stalking,
(p) Murder of another human being,
(q) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
(r) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
(s) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) As used in this section, the term “terrorism” means an activity that:
(a)1. Involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or
2. Involves a violation of s. 815.06; and
(b) Is intended to:
1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;
2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.
 
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I agree with you about the Zimmerman comparison. There is none. If I'm not mistaken, the only person comparing it to the Zimmerman/Martin case was the defense attorney. Nice try.

not that im defneing the defense attorney but not only did he do that he tried EVERYTHING

he was just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks, he looked like a complete ass out there and even a couple people that took the stand made him look worse and gave him no respect for the transparent and dishonest tactics he was trying
 
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I can't really say I'm surprised. As soon as they announced that the jury had asked whether they could decide on only some charges this is how I expected it to go. Obviously some of them believed his claims of self defense, but I'm glad to see that he's getting what he deserves for his reckless behavior.
 
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...........................

That was awfully nice of you to post. Thanks. Based on what I read here this seems to me the only definition that may apply would be:

(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


maybe they balked at defining his act using the parts I have selected in bold?
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

I can't really say I'm surprised. As soon as they announced that the jury had asked whether they could decide on only some charges this is how I expected it to go. Obviously some of them believed his claims of self defense, but I'm glad to see that he's getting what he deserves for his reckless behavior.

agreed but thats just it


maybe i dont understand florida law but how do some of those retards come to the conclusion that it was self defense but agree on the attempted murders?

if it was self defense wouldnt you not agree on that but only agree on the firing into an occupied vehicle

it doesnt make sense

how low were they allowed to go on the attempted murders.

If i believe it was self defense i would drop those charges to reckless endangerment or something IF i could maybe they couldnt
 
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not that im defneing the defense attorney but not only did he do that he tried EVERYTHING

he was just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks, he looked like a complete ass out there and even a couple people that took the stand made him look worse and gave him no respect for the transparent and dishonest tactics he was trying

Yeah, I know, you're right.

I've asked attorneys why it's this way, and they say, "It's our job....to do everything we POSSIBLY can to defend our client. I actually don't agree with this. To me, an attorneys job ought to be to help him obtain the best justice he can obtain. And if he's guilty? That probably means taking a deal.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

That was awfully nice of you to post. Thanks. Based on what I read here this seems to me the only definition that may apply would be:

(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


maybe they balked at defining his act using the parts I have selected in bold?

you're welcome

in my opinion anybody that didnt see this as m1, m2 or at least manslaughter wouldnt be able to understand those words anyway ;)
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital).

If you had a shotgun in your car and somebody had just killed your buddy and now is just standing there shooting at you what would you do with a powerful shotgun? I would have blasted his ass in self defense to save myself.
There was no shotgun.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

Yeah, I know, you're right.

I've asked attorneys why it's this way, and they say, "It's our job....to do everything we POSSIBLY can to defend our client. I actually don't agree with this. To me, an attorneys job ought to be to help him obtain the best justice he can obtain. And if he's guilty? That probably means taking a deal.

I agree in general it is thier job to do everything possible, this is why i could never be a lawyer or at least a defense one. If i thought my client was guilty i couldnt defend them.

anyway it is a common tactic but a good lawyer will do it with style and under the radar and look like they know what they are talking about. This guy didnt do that, even my daughter in HS was like wow he is desperate who does he think he is fooling lol
 
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Yeah i don't understand the hung on the M1, M2 or manslaughter either. the attempted murder was easier as he was firing at people not involved in the confrontation.

however the prosecution has said they are going for a retrial. that means a new jury pool. that problem is they will have to probably move it as any body in that area is already tainted.
finding a clean pool is going to be difficult.

i agree if i have a shotgun and someone is shooting at me i am blowing his head off with it. not running away or trying to get away.
there was no gun. he made it up just like he made up telling his wife there was a gun when he didn't.

the guy is a hot head.

he has at least a 20 year minimum sentence for what he was charged for.

we will see what happens at the retrial. yes i agree FL juries are screwed up i think it is the water. the water here is bad in most places.
 
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how on earth does this happen? How can a jury in heavens name not agree on a murder charge in such a case. Hopefully they can go back and do this trial again with a more sane jury.
The most obvious reason would be, that to some, it wasn't murder, or even manslaughter, but a guy acting in self defense.





If you had a shotgun in your car and somebody had just killed your buddy and now is just standing there shooting at you what would you do with a powerful shotgun? I would have blasted his ass in self defense to save myself.
There was no shotgun.
Not if the person next to the weapon wasn't inclined to do so.
Not if it wasn't loaded.
And not if it was not immediately accessible. Such as underneath the guy who was shot, dropped to the floor out of reach, or even if it had became jammed under the seat.
So what you suggest shouldn't even be a consideration.

And btw, he wasn't dead at that time. He died later.
 
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Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

Not if the person next to the weapon wasn't inclined to do so.
Not if it wasn't loaded.
And not if it was not immediately accessible. Such as underneath the guy who was shot or had became jammed under the seat.
So what you suggest shouldn't even be a consideration.

Total bs as usual.

If I was being shot at by someone who just killed my buddy, I guarantee you I could lift up a sherman tank to get it out and blast him.

There was never a shotgun. You just fell for another Dunn lie.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

The most obvious reason would be, that to some, it wasn't murder, or even manslaughter, but a guy acting in self defense.
.

Except they did find him guilty of attempted murder of the other people. It's a bit weird.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

Total bs as usual.

If I was being shot at by someone who just killed my buddy, I guarantee you I could lift up a sherman tank to get it out and blast him.

There was never a shotgun. You just fell for another Dunn lie.
Yes your answer is bs.
And apparently you fell for a lie from Davis's friends.
Because evidence suggests that there was a weapon and that it had was stashed.
And then with the driver contacting his aunt, and her later coming into the area, is highly suspicious.


He hadn't just killed his buddy. He died later.
So is you concern on your own safety (ducking) as you are forced to retreat?
On the dying person as you are forced to retreat?
Or in firing back?

The point being, is you have no idea if there was one or not.
You have no idea what could or couldn't be done, or if it could have been used to return fire at all, as you suggest.
You have no idea if the person was inclined to return fire.
And as such, your assertion is ridiculous, and nothing more than your own pompous bravado.
 
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