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Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial[W:336]

Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

I'm still slack-jawed over the fact that they found the guy guilty of three counts of attempted murder on the guys he didn't manage to kill, but couldn't agree on a murder conviction on the guy he did manage to kill. WTF is up with that?? I can't imagine what the parents of that poor dead teenager must be going through right now, knowing that their son has still not received justice.

****ing Florida juries are all nutjobs. :(
Yep. This was a slam dunk. And they had the option of convicting on 2nd degree murder but no. Florida just can't get anything right: from elections, to criminal justice.
 
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Yeah i don't understand the hung on the M1, M2 or manslaughter either. the attempted murder was easier as he was firing at people not involved in the confrontation.

however the prosecution has said they are going for a retrial. that means a new jury pool. that problem is they will have to probably move it as any body in that area is already tainted.
finding a clean pool is going to be difficult.

i agree if i have a shotgun and someone is shooting at me i am blowing his head off with it. not running away or trying to get away.
there was no gun. he made it up just like he made up telling his wife there was a gun when he didn't.

the guy is a hot head.

he has at least a 20 year minimum sentence for what he was charged for.

we will see what happens at the retrial. yes i agree FL juries are screwed up i think it is the water. the water here is bad in most places.

yep
there must of been huge moron on that jury that doesnt understand law and facts


there isnt one piece of corroborative evidence or forensics that supports self defense or Dunns actions, not one. He even proved himself to be a liar during the trial and destroyed his credibility.
 
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Except they did find him guilty of attempted murder of the other people. It's a bit weird.
I don't see that as weird. :shrug:
They were given the law and decided that his continuing to shoot was unlawful and amounted to attempted murder.
The problem here would be with the instructions given.

So let me say this again for everyone's benefit.
If he is later found not guilty and/or given immunity for responding to an immanent threat with deadly force, this finding by the jury can not stand.
 
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Yep. This was a slam dunk. And they had the option of convicting on 2nd degree murder but no. Florida just can't get anything right: from elections, to criminal justice.

doesnt matter he is going to prison for a long time and the next inches of shotgun that only he sees will be going in his tailpipe! LMAO
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

doesnt matter he is going to prison for a long time and the next inches of shotgun that only he sees will be going in his tailpipe! LMAO

actually the prosecution is going for a retrial. that will mean a new jury pool. so we will see if they can get a conviction out of that crowd.
yep it is hard to put someone in prison for murder 1, but i figured manslaughter at least.

we won't know who held out on the murder charges but it was a split jury for sure. he will be tried again and i think another jury will find him guilty.

If he is later found not guilty and/or given immunity for responding to an immanent threat with deadly force, this finding by the jury can not stand.

this is what you still don't understand.

Murder 1 was for davis.
the other 3 attempted murders were for the 3 boys in the car that were of no threat to dunn.
the discharge of a gun into a occupied vehicle was for the 3 boys that were no threat to dunn.

they are all independent charges and they will stand as guilty even if the murder charge doesn't go through. you cannot just randomly shoot at innocent people and not be held responsible. more so when those innocent people are driving away.
 
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actually the prosecution is going for a retrial. that will mean a new jury pool. so we will see if they can get a conviction out of that crowd.
yep it is hard to put someone in prison for murder 1, but i figured manslaughter at least.

we won't know who held out on the murder charges but it was a split jury for sure. he will be tried again and i think another jury will find him guilty.

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im not sure what that changes about my post
but hopefully the next jury will be void of morons and he'll get at least m2 or manslaughter
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

The most obvious reason would be, that to some, it wasn't murder, or even manslaughter, but a guy acting in self defense.

If it smells like a murder, looks like a murder and sounds like a murder it most often is a murder. I have seen people get convicted of murder because they were present at a murder but only sideways and still get convicted for murder. There is zero evidence that these black people in the car threatened him or had a weapon.
 
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im not sure what that changes about my post
but hopefully the next jury will be void of morons and he'll get at least m2 or manslaughter

you seemed to act like this was over. i was just saying that it isn't. he is still charged with murder and until a jury gives him a non-guilty verdict he will continue to be charged.

the rest of the charges still stay regardless of the murder charge either way this guy is going to jail.
 
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1.)you seemed to act like this was over. i was just saying that it isn't. he is still charged with murder and until a jury gives him a non-guilty verdict he will continue to be charged.

2.)the rest of the charges still stay regardless of the murder charge either way this guy is going to jail.

1.) oh its not over by any means
2.) i know this and that was my point, regardless this nutball thug will be in jail
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

1.) oh its not over by any means
2.) i know this and that was my point, regardless this nutball thug will be in jail

i think if they find another non-tainted jury pool. they will find this guy guilty of manslaughter.
the problem in FL and this is that all someone has to say is they feel they were threatened and the defense lawyers convoluted the meaning of the law and why SYG was passed.

the main purpose of the law was to protect innocent people from criminals. that you have the right to walk down the street and defend yourself or someone else from a crime.
it didn't mean that you can shoot whoever you want and claim self defense because they are cussing at you or something else.

i blame the juries and the judges for not clarifying the law and upholding the meaning of the law.
 
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i think if they find another non-tainted jury pool. they will find this guy guilty of manslaughter.
the problem in FL and this is that all someone has to say is they feel they were threatened and the defense lawyers convoluted the meaning of the law and why SYG was passed.

the main purpose of the law was to protect innocent people from criminals. that you have the right to walk down the street and defend yourself or someone else from a crime.
it didn't mean that you can shoot whoever you want and claim self defense because they are cussing at you or something else.

i blame the juries and the judges for not clarifying the law and upholding the meaning of the law.

i only blame the retard or retards that ignore the law, facts and corroborated evidence that all point to murder and NONE OF IT points to self defense.
 
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i only blame the retard or retards that ignore the law, facts and corroborated evidence that all point to murder and NONE OF IT points to self defense.

i agree, but you don't know what happens in the jury room. i hope i don't get called for the next case.

the next case in the same county involves a previous sheirf who shoots a guy over a text message. BEFORE the movie started he was sending a text message. this ex cop gets up and starts a altercation over it (wasn't the first time he did it to another couple as well). i guess the other guy throws a popcorn bag at him and he shot the guy killed him and the bullet hit this guys wifes hand.

he then claims self defense. i am like what? a paper cut? i mean i know how dangerous the death rate of popcorn is.
i am sure that excon will claim that is self defense as well. of course the officer says he was punched in the face but no witnesses even his wife can confirm that this happened.
i didn't see any bruise on the guys face in the news and if he was hit in the face hard enough to have his glasses come off (being 72) there would have been a huge bruise
there is no marks or anything.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

If it smells like a murder, looks like a murder and sounds like a murder it most often is a murder.
Unfortunately it doesn't look that way to others.
And some of those were on the jury.
It obviously wasn't a slam dunk as someone said (at least not to the Jurors, the ones who actually count), nor does there have corroborating evidence as another has indicated the lack of.
The prosecution has to prove their case. Period. The defense does not have to.
And with the circumstantial evidence that what Dunn saw may have been stashed, and the highly suspicious activity of the driver contacting his aunt and her later coming into the area, that circumstantial evidence has some clout.
As such, it is very understandable that he wasn't convicted of such, the prosecution did not prove it to all the jurors.





this is what you still don't understand.

Murder 1 was for davis.
the other 3 attempted murders were for the 3 boys in the car that were of no threat to dunn.
the discharge of a gun into a occupied vehicle was for the 3 boys that were no threat to dunn.

they are all independent charges and they will stand as guilty even if the murder charge doesn't go through. you cannot just randomly shoot at innocent people and not be held responsible. more so when those innocent people are driving away.
No ludin. :naughty
That is what you do not understand.

Nor do you understand that he was not shooting at them, but at the perceived threat, who was Davis.
He can not be held accountable if he is found not guilty and/or later granted immunity.
The law can not say, you can fire at an immanent threat, but be held accountable for any other unintentional damage caused by you defending yourself. It does not say that.

The immunity is complete. It covers any criminal action arising from your use of that justified force.
So learn the law before speaking about it.
 
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i agree, but you don't know what happens in the jury room.

yeah im wondering about that too

it almost HAD to be some dumbass that thought it was self defense even though there was no corroborating evidence to prove that


I mean unless im missing something

if somebody thought it was manslaughter and the rest thought it was M2 the rest could just agree with the manslaughter right

Im very interested to hear what actually went down, its going to come out
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

Yeah, I think they're right. And the state will probably re-try him on the 1st degree murder charge. I don't know how they can call it pre-meditated, frankly...I don't know, maybe they won't re-try him. It's a bit of a stretch.

But he did wrong. He's a very bad example of a gun-owner. If he hadn't left? If there had been a gun? Maybe they'd have found it. The leaving is what did it for me. No reasonable person would leave the scene when they'd killed someone. If he was afraid and THAT'S why he left right away? Then you call the coppers immediately or go right to the station. Maybe he was BAC impaired.

I bad example of a gun owner for a variety of reasons.

Seriously, kids at a gas station with loud music? If that sets you off, you really need not to own a gun.

When folks get worried about gun ownership - Dunn is the face of that worry. An idiot that cannot control his emotions and doesn't have a clue when to just walk away.
 
Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

the big risk of jury trials is that people do not always objectively and correctly view the quality of evidence and there is always the risk that they either fall in the trap of either the defense or the prosecution and make a decision that is not sound and/or based on evidence and the law. While having a panel of judges might not be perfect, but if it is good enough for the supreme court of the United States and other appeals courts, it should be good enough for regular trials IMHO. Just because it was a jury of peers once does not mean that it always has to remain that way.
 
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When folks get worried about gun ownership - Dunn is the face of that worry. An idiot that cannot control his emotions and doesn't have a clue when to just walk away.

That right there sums it up very nicely. I completely agree.

Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.
 
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Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.
Oy vey.
His life was verbally threatened, that threat was then coupled with action making the threat to appear to be actual, the barrel on the window, then with his stating that it was "going down now" as he got out to carry through with the threat.
That, to anybody, would appear to be a real threat.
Under such circumstance the only one being an asshole and at fault for what happened, was Davis, not Dunn.

Now, you do not have to believe that happened.
But the prosecutor does have to prove it didn't. And she failed at doing so.
 
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That right there sums it up very nicely. I completely agree.

Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.

well just to be accurate he wasnt getting gas, he stopped for wine

but you are right theres no facts or corroborated evidence that support his actions, this is way he will be in prison for a long time and rightfully so.

He acted crazy and unreasonable and now that asshole thug will be put in jail.
 
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well just to be accurate he wasnt getting gas, he stopped for wine

but you are right theres no facts or corroborated evidence that support his actions, this is way he will be in prison for a long time and rightfully so.
He acted crazy and unreasonable and now that asshole thug will be put in jail.




I have the impression, from what I have read, that he might be tried again on the 'murder one' count.
 
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From what I read it sounds like he was probably guilty. That being said I don't support our draconian prison regimen and would rather not see him entombed in some penitentiary for the next forty years. I think it's time we began to seriously consider whether we actually want the corrections system we say we want instead of a penal system. I think we are too eager, too emotional, and too voyeuristic when it comes to crime and court room drama. I don't know anything about this guy except from one or two articles I read. I think society gains very little even by imprisoning a murderer for his entire life and there is a wealth of evidence that shorter terms with a focus on rehabilitation can be highly successful, especially in a case like this.

I know most wont agree but that's my two cents.
 
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I have the impression, from what I have read, that he might be tried again on the 'murder one' count.

yes he will be tried again, not sure if they will stick with the M1 though

personally i think it should be M2
 
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From what I read it sounds like he was probably guilty. That being said I don't support our draconian prison regimen and would rather not see him entombed in some penitentiary for the next forty years. I think it's time we began to seriously consider whether we actually want the corrections system we say we want instead of a penal system. I think we are too eager, too emotional, and too voyeuristic when it comes to crime and court room drama. I don't know anything about this guy except from one or two articles I read. I think society gains very little even by imprisoning a murderer for his entire life and there is a wealth of evidence that shorter terms with a focus on rehabilitation can be highly successful, especially in a case like this.

I know most wont agree but that's my two cents.

im a mix of you

in some cases I agree and in others im the direct opposite

in this particular case id prefer he was given the death penalty instead of getting a life some law abiding citizens dont even get

now in some other cases im a total fan of "rehabilitation"

it would be rare that murder is ever one of them unless it was say a battered woman taking the law in her own hands at the wrong time or something like that

now for many other things id be on board but it would be case by case i could never sit here and make a blanket statement

I think in many cases we are WAY too soft on criminals (murders, white collar embezzlers/launderers/con artist) and then in many cases we are way too hard. (drug users and possession, statutory rapist with 2 year difference, child porn charges when both people are minors themselves)
 
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Well I do agree going for M1 seemed wrong but they did explain how it applies under law a couple times, I admit i didnt really understand the reasoning.

And of course neither does a jury when it gets too deep into the legal definitions.

M2 or manslaughter should have been EXTREMELY easy for they jury I have no clue why they didnt just charge him with the lesser unanimously.

BINGO! And this is because no matter what kind outrageous idiot Dunn is, he is not a Charles Manson; a person who went out on a deliberate killing spree. For all intents and purposes Dunn only stopped for gasoline and snacks and then ended up murdering a young person because he allowed himself to get angry. Dunn should have been charged with 2nd degree murder because to a juror charged with the huge responsibility of life and death (or life in prison), it just makes more sense to them. Certainly they can bring back a lesser included offense. But they go into the jury room needing to argue among themselves about why it is not 1st degree murder, and then who knows what goes through their heads.

I say in a case like this you start at 2nd degree and hope the jury gets it. I just say it's a better strategic move. Because I think Florida juries are either being confused by the jury instructions, or are just a bit dumb IMHO.
 
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Because it can't be stressed enough...

The jury could have convicted him with M2 even though Dunn was charged with M1. They chose not to because it's Florida and Floridians can't do anything right.
 
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