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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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There's only evidence that homosexual behavior exists, and that it's a natural phenomena.

There's zero evidence of rigid gender-restricted sexuality, which is what being "gay" entails.

so sexual orientation is made up by the medical community? links? facts?
 
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so sexual orientation is made up by the medical community? links? facts?

Sexual orientation is not made up, but such an orientation is a complex component of a person's psyche.

Accordingly, the notion that it consists of a simple binary classification based on an attraction toward one or the other gender is false. . .

"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science: The Use and Abuse of Research into Homosexuality. Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Press. p. 207.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, the fact that these animals engage in homosexual sex implies that pure heterosexuality is also a rarity.
 
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re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Queer theory is currently the most scientifically valid description of sexuality, based on all available evidence of human and animal sexual behavior.

The whole "gay" vs. "straight" separation is just popular claptrap--a relic of a time when there was tremendous discrimination against homosexual acts.
 
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Of course, the fact that these animals engage in homosexual sex implies that pure heterosexuality is also a rarity.

still waiting for factual proof that the medical community just made up sexual orentation
 
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still waiting for factual proof that the medical community just made up sexual orentation

If you're defining sexual orientation to mean either "gay" or "straight", then the article cited above proves that it's false, since none of those animals observed restricted their mating habits purely to one gender or the other.
 
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Sexual orientation is not made up, but such an orientation is a complex component of a person's psyche.

so sexual orientation does, exist

thanks we knew that already
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Sexual orientation is not made up, but such an orientation is a complex component of a person's psyche.

Accordingly, the notion that it consists of a simple binary classification based on an attraction toward one or the other gender is false. . .



Of course, the fact that these animals engage in homosexual sex implies that pure heterosexuality is also a rarity.

Your are mistaking action for orientation. Homosexuals are perfectly capable of having sex with those of the opposite sex, just as heterosexuals are perfectly capable of having sex with those of the same sex. There are multiple reasons to do so that have nothing to do with orientation, such as establishing dominance, sexual release in the absence of your prefered gender, and so on. All that can be reasonably said is that animals engage in sexual acts with those of the same gender. However, we can also say that humans have very definite orientation, and it is clearly defined.
 
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If you're defining sexual orientation to mean either "gay" or "straight", then the article cited above proves that it's false, since none of those animals observed restricted their mating habits purely to one gender or the other.

sorry theres nothing you posted that FACTUALLY proves sexual orientation does not exist . . . nothing
 
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so sexual orientation does, exist

thanks we knew that already

Did you know that it does not mean "gay" or "straight", i. e. being attracted only to the same gender or to the opposite one?
 
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sorry theres nothing you posted that FACTUALLY proves sexual orientation does not exist . . . nothing

You seem to have a reading problem. Read what I wrote before replying to it.
 
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Did you know that it does not mean "gay" or "straight", i. e. being attracted only to the same gender or to the opposite one?

so now you are claiming there's no such thing as heterosexual orientation or homosexual orientation?

again

links and FACTS saying that sexual orientation does not exist for humans, I cant wait to tell the medical community!
 
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Your are mistaking action for orientation. Homosexuals are perfectly capable of having sex with those of the opposite sex, just as heterosexuals are perfectly capable of having sex with those of the same sex. There are multiple reasons to do so that have nothing to do with orientation, such as establishing dominance, sexual release in the absence of your prefered gender, and so on. All that can be reasonably said is that animals engage in sexual acts with those of the same gender. However, we can also say that humans have very definite orientation, and it is clearly defined.

100% correct, and that's exactly what I said.

One's orientation does not equate to the action, i. e. homosexual or heterosexual sex.

The action is rather a consequence of one's sexual orientation--a complex component of one's psyche--and situational factors.
 
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so now you are claiming there's no such thing as heterosexual orientation or homosexual orientation?

If you think that homosexual orientation exists, then why are there no gay animals, according to actual observed evidence :rolleyes: ?
 
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You seem to have a reading problem. Read what I wrote before replying to it.

nope not at all i just understand the difference between facts and your OPINION or others

you didnt post one thing that says sexual orientation doesn't exists. not one.

if you disagree post these FACTS now so i can let the medical community know they are wrong.
 
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If you think that homosexual orientation exists, then why are there no gay animals, according to actual observed evidence :rolleyes: ?
LMAO are you claiming this is proof?
how do we know theres no homosexual animals?

translation: you cant back up your statments lol

please in your next post, provide the FACTS that say sexual orientation doesnt exist

or homosexual orientation or heterosexual orientation or bisexual orientation.

You are going to win a pulitzer prize with this info, when do you publish and when will the medical community be announcing this news?
 
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nope not at all i just understand the difference between facts and your OPINION or others

you didnt post one thing that says sexual orientation doesn't exists. not one.

if you disagree post these FACTS now so i can let the medical community know they are wrong.

Why don't you post us some facts that prove that gay or straight animals, i. e. those that engage in purely homosexual or heterosexual sex w/the same species, exists.
 
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LMAO are you claiming this is proof?
how do we know theres no homosexual animals?

translation: you cant back up your statments lol

I just did. . .

Simon Levay introduced the further caveat that "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity."

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science: The Use and Abuse of Research into Homosexuality. Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Press. p. 207.

You, however, have yet to provide evidence of a single species that, under the proper controls, exhibits purely homosexual or heterosexual behavior w/the same species.

We're still waiting. . .
 
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Why don't you post us some facts that prove that gay or straight animals, i. e. those that engage in purely homosexual or heterosexual sex w/the same species, exists.

Translation: you still have ZERO facts that prove sexual orientation doesn't exist (be it homo/hetero or bi)

also FYI

this is about HUMANS and SEXUAL ORIENTATION which is not impacted by sex acts lol

let us know when you can, me, many others and the medical community will love to read it
 
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nope not at all i just understand the difference between facts and your OPINION or others

If you understand that difference, post us evidence to defend your assertion that pure homosexuality or heterosexuality exists in Nature, given the proper scientific controls.
 
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let us know when you can, me, many others and the medical community will love to read it

Let us know when you have something to refute the article's evidence. We're waiting. . .
 
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I just did. . .



You, however, have yet to provide evidence of a single species that, under the proper controls, exhibits purely homosexual or heterosexual behavior w/the same species.

We're still waiting. . .

again there is NOTHING there that says sexual orientation doesnt exist
nothing, you can post that 80 times and we can all read it 80 times theres nothing there that says sexual orientation does not exists, not one word lol
this conversation is about humans and sexual orientation

also who is we LMAO who here agrees with you that human beings done have sexual orientation? LMAO


until you can your false claim will continue to fail and be unsupportable, let us know when you have something
 
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Let us know when you have something to refute the article's evidence. We're waiting. . .

there is no evidence in there that says humans do not have sexual orientation LMAO none, zero zip, notta

theres also no "We're" thats waiting for this facts nobody here agrees with your false claim and the medical community disagreses with you lol

you made a claim and now you have to back it up, let us know when you can

simply post the FACTUAL proof that humans dont have sexual orientations

animals dont matter
acts dont matter
opinions dont matter

facts win again
 
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If you understand that difference, post us evidence to defend your assertion that pure homosexuality or heterosexuality exists in Nature, given the proper scientific controls.

another dodged that nobody educated, honest and objective buys

the topi is about facts, human beings and sexual orientation :)
 
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Translation: you still have ZERO facts that prove sexual orientation doesn't exist (be it homo/hetero or bi)

also FYI

this is about HUMANS and SEXUAL ORIENTATION which is not impacted by sex acts lol

let us know when you can, me, many others and the medical community will love to read it

FYI, the medical community has already read it. . .

PsychiatryOnline | Psychiatric Services | Queer Science: The Use and Abuse of Research Into Homosexuality
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

another dodged that nobody educated

Seems like you're the one that's dodging; I posted an article from a credible source--one that's been reviewed by the medical community,

and you've yet to post any sources/cites. We're still waiting. . .
 
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