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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You're a person who chooses to take ****.
Nope, don't do that either. Wow, you really don't know a single thing, do you?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Lighten up, Francis. Gay debates are nothing but sport. You don't "win" anything.

They may be "sport" to you, Francis, but they are about the real lives of gay people. So, why don't you think about that for a second? You may be engaging in something you think of as "sport," but your doing so about real people. Wow...there is a lot of fail in this thread.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

They may be "sport" to you, Francis, but they are about the real lives of gay people. So, why don't you think about that for a second? You may be engaging in something you think of as "sport," but your doing so about real people. Wow...there is a lot of fail in this thread.

I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.

I feel the same way about straight people and Christians. They aren't persecuted, they aren't criminalized. So, as long as they just live quietly and stop talking about the fact that they are straight and/or Christian, I'm fine. Once they open their mouths though, and admit what they are, then I think they deserve to be debated as a "sport."
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

There's no such thing as a homosexual person, there's only homosexual acts. Just like there's no such thing as a pot smoker, just people who happen to smoke pot.

People are people. Just like you can choose to stop smoking pot, you can choose to stop taking **** up the ass. Life is full of choices, but we're all people.

In other words, you gotta separate the sinner from the sin, you follow?

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There is something to be said for getting same sex attractions exclusively, whether we act on them or not. Ultimately this tactic of yours isn't going to make someone up and change his identity, because it cannot change how they feel. They remain attracted to same sex.

There's also more to being homosexual than "taking it up the ass." There's commitment, embracing, cuddling, but of course leave it to a phobic to obsess over the one sex act he finds disgusting.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There is something to be said for getting same sex attractions exclusively, whether we act on them or not. Ultimately this tactic of yours isn't going to make someone up and change his identity, because it cannot change how they feel. They remain attracted to same sex.

There's also more to being homosexual than "taking it up the ass." There's commitment, embracing, cuddling, but of course leave it to a phobic to obsess over the one sex act he finds disgusting.

Must we resort to name calling? How distasteful.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

LOL right, how else do you explain that millions of people at the time of puberty become attracted to same sex?

They were never attracted to the same sex; they were merely attracted to specific physical attributes that were found more in either males or females.

And the two statements NOT equivalent. To be attracted to a specific sex (i. e. biological gender) entails an a priori exclusion of members of the other sex from one's sex life, and that isn't natural; there's scant evidence of any non-human species restricting itself to mating w/members of only one gender or the other. In other words, although there's clear evidence of homo- and heterosexuality in nature, there's no evidence of gay or straight animals.

Furthermore, while certain visible (or tactile) traits may be more prevalent in one gender than another, the large no. of humans on earth practically guarantees that any combination of attributes that one may find attractive are likely to be found in at least one member of both genders, hence eliminating the possibility that one could be either gay or straight, since those classifications imply a total ban on mating w/either a different or same gender.

What exactly in that process is unnatural?

See above.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.

You know that there are currently 3 states with bills in their legislature specifically allowing anyone to deny services, including government services, to gays. Yeah, silence is clearly what gays need right now.

Why couldn't things be like the good old days when gays had to keep silent for fear of violence and couldn't unite to air their grievances?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Must we resort to name calling? How distasteful.

Something must have rubbed me the wrong way in this comment: "There's no such thing as a homosexual person."
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Why do you give a crap who she dates? Unless, of course, your just upset that she won't date you.

I don't care at all. And I'm too ugly for her. However, artificially restricting one's sexuality to mating exclusively w/only one gender (i. e. labeling oneself as either "gay" or "straight" is unhealthy.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Something must have rubbed me the wrong way in this comment: "There's no such thing as a homosexual person."

Because there is no such thing as a homosexual person, just as there's no such thing as a straight person.

There's merely homosexual and heterosexual behavior, both of which are natural and healthy, but are the result of an instinctual--but not necessarily genetic--fixation (either masculine or feminine) on a specific set of visible/tactile attributes, NOT a fixation toward a specific gender.

If I found someone whose gender is opposite yours that had all the physical and emotional attributes to which you're attracted, then you'd be attracted to him/her.

To claim otherwise would only mean the criteria in that "if" is not met, i. e. there's at least one attribute missing or that you find distasteful that's causing you to be unattracted to him/her.
 
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Yes it leaves open the possibility that homosexuality is a choice. You can't be labeled a bigot if all you've done is disagree with someone's life choices. Boom. You've been owned

So wait...now there is such a thing as a homosexual? Did you give yourself whiplash reversing yourself like that?

So I would not be a bigot is I disagree with people being religious(not their religion, but being religious at all)?

You should also note that not being born that way does not mean it is a choice, and further that no one knows how orientation is determined, so whether people are born that way or not is undetermined.

Boom. You have been majorly owned.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Lighten up, Francis. Gay debates are nothing but sport. You don't "win" anything.

Odd, why did you not mention that to Peter Grimm, who claimed to win and I was sarcastically using the same form as? Your hypocrisy is showing.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

So wait...now there is such a thing as a homosexual? Did you give yourself whiplash reversing yourself like that?

So I would not be a bigot is I disagree with people being religious(not their religion, but being religious at all)?

Hmm good point. At the end of the day, though, "bigot" is just a word intended to insult. Really calling someone a bigot is no different from calling them a stupid poopyface.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Hmm good point. At the end of the day, though, "bigot" is just a word intended to insult. Really calling someone a bigot is no different from calling them a stupid poopyface.

I will not argue too much about that. There is a reason I don't go calling people bigots.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.

Oh please, wanting the same rights as everyone else is attention whoring only when you're unpopular. Abolitionists and feminists used to be accused of the same goddamn things. Here even today we had 3 states trying to pass religious exemptions that would allow fullstop jim crow era discrimination, it's illegal to marry in most states and there's no employment or housing protection and you are gonna sit there pretending persecution is nonexistent??

Here, further proof the harm that bigotry causes: Top University Study: Anti-Gay Prejudice Is Killing Gay People | The New Civil Rights Movement
 
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There's no such thing as a homosexual person, there's only homosexual acts. Just like there's no such thing as a pot smoker, just people who happen to smoke pot.

People are people. Just like you can choose to stop smoking pot, you can choose to stop taking **** up the ass. Life is full of choices, but we're all people.

In other words, you gotta separate the sinner from the sin, you follow?


lol what?

sorry homosexuals factual exist
facts win again
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Yeah, there's no "look-at-me" flamboyance going on in the gay community. You betcha. My gosh, it's an endless mass of reality-show wannabes.

So what?

If they look bad, the only reason that anyone would bother to look at them is if they identified w/them or hated them. Neither would be the case if discrimination against homosexual behavior didn't exist.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

lol what?

sorry homosexuals factual exist
facts win again

There's only evidence that homosexual behavior exists, and that it's a natural phenomena.

There's zero evidence of rigid gender-restricted sexuality, which is what being "gay" entails.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I don't care at all. And I'm too ugly for her. However, artificially restricting one's sexuality to mating exclusively w/only one gender (i. e. labeling oneself as either "gay" or "straight" is unhealthy.

In what way is it unhealthy? Wouldn't it be MORE unhealthy to artificially force someone to mate with someone they aren't attracted to?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

There's only evidence that homosexual behavior exists, and that it's a natural phenomena.

There's zero evidence of rigid gender-restricted sexuality, which is what being "gay" entails.
:lamo

So, the billions of people in this world who know they are solely attracted to one sex (be it male or female, same sex or opposite sex) don't actually exist?
 
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