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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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This incessant need to announce gonad preference........

"Look at me! Look at me! Please, please, please, look at me!!!"
 
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Conservative said:
What people do in a voting booth is different than what they tell a pollster. N.C. polls showed a very close vote on a Constitutional Amendment. When the votes were counted it wasn't close as all and the amendment overwhelmingly passed
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What a state is doing now doesn't define long term trends. And as far as ignoring the sum total of poll results, all I have to say is, "Warning: sharp learning curve ahead."
 
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soot said:
Seriously?

Some chick I've never heard of, who has had roles in one, maybe two, significant movies, comes out of the closet and this is somehow news?

Good Lord, who really cares?
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It relevent for some for the same reason any celebrity endorsement is relevent - it reaffirms what folks are doing, what they believe, is okay and popular.
 
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Cardinal said:
What a state is doing now doesn't define long term trends. And as far as ignoring the sum total of poll results, all I have to say is, "Warning: sharp learning curve ahead."
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Yet when the poll was taken in North Carolina the outcome was 50/50 yet when the vote was taken it was a landslide supporting marriage being between a man and a woman. Happens all the time, people act differently when asked vs when they vote.
 
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Conservative said:
Yet when the poll was taken in North Carolina the outcome was 50/50 yet when the vote was taken it was a landslide supporting marriage being between a man and a woman. Happens all the time, people act differently when asked vs when they vote.
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That's fine, but if you remember what I said earlier, that doesn't impact the idea of a Federal amendment because, once again, you don't have the numbers. And as I already said, the courts will eventually sweep up the states that have a problem understanding the importance of civil liberties (if the USSC doesn't do it first). I have no problems understanding that there will be holdout states.

No matter how many times you attempt to derail me from the above facts by pointing out whichever state just happened to pass an amendment against gay marriage, it will still never change the fact that you don't have the numbers.
 
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Cardinal said:
That's fine, but if you remember what I said earlier, that doesn't impact the idea of a Federal amendment because, once again, you don't have the numbers. And as I already said, the courts will eventually sweep up the states that have a problem understanding the importance of civil liberties (if the USSC doesn't do it first). I have no problems understanding that there will be holdout states.

No matter how many times you attempt to derail me from the above facts by pointing out whichever state just happened to pass an amendment against gay marriage, it will still never change the fact that you don't have the numbers.
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No, sorry, you have no idea if I have the numbers or not and you totally ignore that a Constitutional Amendment over rules any court. You have no facts, you have opinions and are brainwashed by an ideology. I just pointed out that the polls in North Carolina prior to the vote were 45-44 in favor of the Amendment, the vote was over 61% for the amendment showing that people lied to the pollsters and do it all the time.

You hand your hat on polls, I hang mine on the vote. I suggest a civics class to understand Constitutional Amendments and how they are ratified. You confuse a state constitutional amendment with a federal Constitutional amendment. Federal Constitutional Amendments trump the states and the courts. You aren't going to like the outcome
 
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Conservative said:
No, sorry, you have no idea if I have the numbers or not and you totally ignore that a Constitutional Amendment over rules any court. You have no facts, you have opinions and are brainwashed by an ideology. I just pointed out that the polls in North Carolina prior to the vote were 45-44 in favor of the Amendment, the vote was over 61% for the amendment showing that people lied to the pollsters and do it all the time.

You hand your hat on polls, I hang mine on the vote. I suggest a civics class to understand Constitutional Amendments and how they are ratified. You confuse a state constitutional amendment with a federal Constitutional amendment. Federal Constitutional Amendments trump the states and the courts. You aren't going to like the outcome
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Okay.

As I said, when it becomes a Federal amendment I'll spring for the margaritas and party horns.
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay.

As I said, when it becomes a Federal amendment I'll spring for the margaritas and party horns.
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Well damn now I'm almost rooting for the FMA!
 
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winston53660 said:
Well damn now I'm almost rooting for the FMA!
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Don't get too excited. I'm getting really crap tequila, because I'm a sore loser like that.
 
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Conservative said:
Exactly, we are a nation of laws and trying to make everything a civil right is something that will force the silent majority to speak up
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It is a lot more diverse majority than you might imagine.
 
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clownboy said:
Nonsense, I used birth deformities as an example of just how busted your argument was. Context, look into it and rejoin the discussion.
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Did you not declare that deformities are not normal? And you care so much about what is and is not classified as "normal". Obviously you don't like things that are not normal. You don't like homosexuality and you consider that not normal. So it would seem you do not like people who have deformities either because you don't consider them normal.
 
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DVSentinel said:
Which can lead to, not always. Not all sociopaths engage in antisocial behavior or disregard the rights of others. Do you have any proof that all sociopaths do?
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Yup. It is called the Diagnostic Statistical Manuel of Mental Disorders. It is the actual book that is used by psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers to diagnose mental illness. And the terms of "psychopath" and "sociopath" fall under Antisocial Personality Disorder. As I said, refer to the DSM. Did I mention that I am a mental health professional, and this is my field? I would be happy to educate you in it further if you have any other questions,.

So it exist outside of desires and impulses which are controlled by the Brain? Desire to participate in activities known to cause physical injury to others is not abnormal behavior? Knowing that longterm engagement in such acts can cause permanent injury to others is not abnormal?
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It sounds to me like you have a problem with anal sex, not homosexuality. There are vastly more heterosexuals that practice anal sex in the United States than there is even homosexuals in the country.
 
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She's gay?! NO! Why do all the magically babelicious broads turn out to be gay. It's just not right.

God should stop them.

****, what an unpleasant surprise.
 
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NoC_T said:
She's gay?! NO! Why do all the magically babelicious broads turn out to be gay. It's just not right.

God should stop them.

****, what an unpleasant surprise.
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I always thought she was attractive. She looks like an actual person, rather than some of the overly done-up Hollywood celebs.
 
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Kobie said:
I always thought she was attractive. She looks like an actual person, rather than some of the overly done-up Hollywood celebs.
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Total fox.

I find this news deeply disheartening. I hope she's kidding.
 
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NoC_T said:
Total fox.

I find this news deeply disheartening. I hope she's kidding.
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The several posters who are claiming it was obvious all along ... I have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
 
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Kobie said:
The several posters who are claiming it was obvious all along ... I have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
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Nor I. I never got that impression. Then again, my gheydar maybe doesn't work so well with the fairer sex. Women are an odd lot.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Yup. It is called the Diagnostic Statistical Manuel of Mental Disorders. It is the actual book that is used by psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers to diagnose mental illness. And the terms of "psychopath" and "sociopath" fall under Antisocial Personality Disorder. As I said, refer to the DSM. Did I mention that I am a mental health professional, and this is my field? I would be happy to educate you in it further if you have any other questions,.
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And everyone in existence has been diagnosed and none lead happy lives? Ok, got you.

CriticalThought said:
It sounds to me like you have a problem with anal sex, not homosexuality. There are vastly more heterosexuals that practice anal sex in the United States than there is even homosexuals in the country.
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No. You said:

CriticalThought said:
It is considered normal because people can be happy and functional even if they are gay. That is the evidence which led to homosexuality being removed as a mental illness. For something to be considered a mental illness it needs to cause distress and dysfunction and homosexuality does not.
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I gave you an example of a behavior common to male homosexuals that causes "distress and dysfunction". You are just trying to deflect from the fact that it does in fact cause "distress and dysfunction".

So, in accordance with your own statement, "For something to be considered a mental illness it needs to cause distress and dysfunction" and the fact that anal sex, which is a common behavior of male homosexuals, does cause distress and dysfunction, which is proven by the fact that medically is known to cause injury and dysfunction, then you are, in fact, saying that homosexuality is a mental illness. When your statements, that have been quoted here, are taken together, that is the meaning they express.
 
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This thread is such a HUGE success! It shows EXACTLY why, sadly in 2014, it is unfortunately still an isses when people come out. The NEWS chose to make an issue out of it because OBVIOUSLY it is an issue lol This thread proves that.

Its brave to come out for anybody in 2014 still and its even more brave for her being a young Oscar nominee.

All one has to do is look at this thread and all the crying and hatred and bigotry and fear and panic of equal rights for gays. Its hilarious and a perfect examples.
most of this thread reads just like this
EQUAL RIGHTS IS WINNING I HATE IT:2mad:, EQUAL RIGHTS IS WINNING RUUUUN!:scared:
 
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Conservative said:
Marriage has been defined throughout history as a union between a man and a woman. History and I support that definition as does the majority
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Appeal to tradition. Just because something has been one way neither makes it correct nor makes it apply to the present.
 
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Conservative said:
I posted the poll numbers by state that support SSM, you must have missed it. suggest better research.
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I've posted numbers that show that the population as a WHOLE supports SSM. I suggest better research.
 
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Conservative said:
Not by state and that is what matters. Gallup is a national poll and the loons in California, New York, and other leftwing states with population are skewing the poll. The only poll that matters is the state poll
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No, the only poll that matters is the national poll. Just because certain rightist states remain opposed doesn't alter the fact that the majority of the population supports SSM.
 
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DVSentinel said:
She also excluded criminals. Basically, she took her sampling from not only those doing group counseling, but from the same group counseling group. All of her test group had already received a form of psychological counseling concerning homosexual behaviors, the subject she was studying. She sanitized her group. She could not of picked a better group to prove her theory. That is not how it is supposed to work.
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Actually, for her hypothesis, that is EXACTLY how it is supposed to work. She needed to choose people from both groups who were neither criminals nor had a psychological diagnoses. If they had the latter, it would be a confound. That was the point of the study.

This would be the equivalent of picking only those who self-identified, with no criminal or mental health history from Alcoholics Anonymous and study their behavior after being in AA to determine "normal" behavior of alcoholics.
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No it wouldn't. It would be equivalent to the following: choosing a group of people in AA and a group of people not in AA, making certain that no member of either group had either a criminal history or a mental health history and seeing if there was a difference between the two groups in mental health. THAT'S the analogy. Yours is incorrect.
 
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DVSentinel said:
Welcome to this line of argument.

Since he has not adequately answered the question initially posed, then perhaps you can. Why, among person's displaying sexual preference for other than sexually mature members of the opposite sex, is homosexuality the only case where those persons are not identified as displaying abnormal or aberrant behavior?
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Clarify your question. It seems to have nothing to do with what I posted.
 
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DVSentinel said:
Correct, not all homosexuals do, but all male homosexuals do and if homosexuality is aberrant in males, then it should also be aberrant in females of the same species.
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Not all male homosexuals practice anal sex. Depending on the study, somewhere between 33% to 42% do not. Homosexuality is not defined by a behavior. As I said, your argument fails.
 
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