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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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opendebate said:
Okay, so I approached this from the wrong angle because the fact that other injustices or inequalities still exist does not legitimize doing so. It just means they have not been sufficiently challenged. What is the criteria we use to determine if a group is undeserving of equal treatment? Anti-social is not it.
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I don't believe it's by group, but by individual behaviors. If I am getting it, what you're asking is how we determine special status groups (protected classes) under the Constitution. These are largely defined by the 1964 Civil Rights act and later Title IX.
 
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clownboy said:
Nonsense, I used birth deformities as an example of just how busted your argument was. Context, look into it and rejoin the discussion.
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Birth deformities (which is extremely objective) are 99% the result of gene mutations, anomalies or just the wrong batch of DNA....
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Birth deformities (which is extremely objective) are 99% the result of gene mutations, anomalies or just the wrong batch of DNA....
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Again, context. CriticalThought took my debunking of one of his posts, stripped the context, and then used it to make me out to be saying that folks with deformities are bad. It was a silly tactic.
 
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opendebate said:
Okay, so I approached this from the wrong angle because the fact that other injustices or inequalities still exist does not legitimize doing so. It just means they have not been sufficiently challenged. What is the criteria we use to determine if a group is undeserving of equal treatment? Anti-social is not it.
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Injustices and inequalities?

You do realize it takes someone of power to even commit those actions and the biggest authority in this Nation behind our governments committing these atrocities are the police, lawyers and appointed bureaucrats?
 
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clownboy said:
Well then, if left alone, the problem takes care of itself.

Now, what does all this have to do with a silly B actress who decides to do her big announcement for publicity?
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You have zero evidence that this was just for "publicity."
 
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Conservative said:
By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word. You seem so focused and supportive of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, are you trying to tell us something? Coming out of the closet? I long thought that might be the case.
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Hey, there's yet another in the long line of dishonest arguments from those who can't deal with the acceptance of homosexuality. "You support gay people's right to live openly; hence, you must be gay!!!1"
 
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opendebate said:
I posted this earlier but I have to ask in all sincerity. Why argue the point of whether or not it is normal? How is it relevant? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
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It's easier for some people here to continue advocating for discrimination if it's not perceived as "normal."
 
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clownboy said:
Again, context. CriticalThought took my debunking of one of his posts, stripped the context, and then used it to make me out to be saying that folks with deformities are bad. It was a silly tactic.
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I don't think it was silly.... Facts are not silly.

I'll say right now that homosexuality is a mental disease or a psychological manifestation from abuse...

I wouldn't call homosexuality a birth defect - especially when homosexuals are generally no danger to society and can lead productive lives..

Also, I think we all have a deformity or some sort or another - if we didn't we would be a perfect species.

This is certainly an interesting topic but kinda goes off topic, but I would love to have a discussion some time on birth defects, because I find the topic interesting. Not from a medical standpoint but from a social standpoint (I suppose).
 
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Kobie said:
Hey, there's yet another in the long line of dishonest arguments from those who can't deal with the acceptance of homosexuality. "You support gay people's right to live openly; hence, you must be gay!!!1"
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yeah, it's right up there with "you don't like homosexuals, hence you must be secretly gay"
 
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Kobie said:
You have zero evidence that this was just for "publicity."
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Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Really, it's all about staying in the public eye with that career. There is absolutely no reason for her to make such a non-anouncement in front of the cameras if she wasn't after the publicity.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I don't think it was silly.... Facts are not silly.

I'll say right now that homosexuality is a mental disease or a psychological manifestation from abuse...

I wouldn't call homosexuality a birth defect - especially when homosexuals are generally no danger to society and can lead productive lives..

Also, I think we all have a deformity or some sort or another - if we didn't we would be a perfect species.

This is certainly an interesting topic but kinda goes off topic, but I would love to have a discussion some time on birth defects, because I find the topic interesting. Not from a medical standpoint but from a social standpoint (I suppose).
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You're not even on the right page here and are arguing something that has nothing to do with my response to CT on his original post. Go back and read. It was a silly retort to my debunking of his trying to attempt to label homosecual behavior as normal.
 
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Top Cat said:
It has been widely known that she is gay. This is not news.
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How do you know this? Me myself don't pay any attention to pop culture because I have better things to read and spend my time on.
 
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clownboy said:
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Really, it's all about staying in the public eye with that career. There is absolutely no reason for her to make such a non-anouncement in front of the cameras if she wasn't after the publicity.
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Do I have to repeat, again, the context of her coming out? I've only posted it three ****ing times.

She was at a conference, speaking to adults (mostly counselors) who work with LGBTQ youth. This was not some sort of press conference.
 
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clownboy said:
You're not even on the right page here and are arguing something that has nothing to do with my response to CT on his original post. Go back and read. It was a silly retort to my debunking of his trying to attempt to label homosecual behavior as normal.
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I wasn't even trying to get involved in your debate. I just had a bit of .02 cents to add so I did...

I'm giving you MY opinion/theory on birth defects - not my position or opinion on your little debate.
 
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Kobie said:
Do I have to repeat, again, the context of her coming out? I've only posted it three ****ing times.

She was at a conference, speaking to adults (mostly counselors) who work with LGBTQ youth. This was not some sort of press conference.
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OMG, what? You think it just slipped out? Again, her career requires she stay constantly on the lips of the public. She wanted publicity and she got it.
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrongo and a stupid pointless line of argument.

by the standard definition, homosexuality is not normal. only a very small % of the population is homosexual, therefore homosexuality is definitely outside of the "norm" and is therefore not normal.
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Homosexuality is no less "normal" than being left handed or having blue eyes. Simply having a non-dominant trait does not make something not "normal" it just makes it not an average or a majority trait. Different is not always wrong - get over it.
 
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So another plain looking chick comes out? Big deal. Sooooo surprised.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I wasn't even trying to get involved in your debate. I just had a bit of .02 cents to add so I did...

I'm giving you MY opinion/theory on birth defects - not my position or opinion on your little debate.
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Okay, but it still fails contextually and inaccurate considering what we were talking about. It was just so out of left field.
 
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clownboy said:
OMG, what? You think it just slipped out? Again, her career requires she stay constantly on the lips of the public. She wanted publicity and she got it.
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How amusingly cynical of you. Of course it didn't "just slip out."

Given the roles she normally takes, and her general public persona, she certainly doesn't outwardly appear to be a publicity whore. But please, continue to prattle on about someone you've never met, taking wild guesses at their true motives.
 
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Kobie said:
Hey, there's yet another in the long line of dishonest arguments from those who can't deal with the acceptance of homosexuality. "You support gay people's right to live openly; hence, you must be gay!!!1"
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There is no damn denial in homosexuality or the fact the act exists - the issue to some is weather or not it is acceptable behavior, and to go deeper homosexuals cannot reproduce (at least not by natural choice)....

Also, people like you seem to believe that since someone is opposed to homosexuality they hate all homosexuals or will treat them with bias at every opportunity.
 
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Kobie said:
How amusingly cynical of you. Of course it didn't "just slip out."

Given the roles she normally takes, and her general public persona, she certainly doesn't outwardly appear to be a publicity whore. But please, continue to prattle on about someone you've never met, taking wild guesses at their true motives.
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Such nonsense. Her career involves being a "publicity whore". It's central to what she does for a living. Without it she has no career in film.

If it didn't just slip out, then that means she planned it and at that venue where she'd be guaranteed to get the requisite publicity she requires from it.
 
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clownboy said:
Okay, but it still fails contextually and inaccurate considering what we were talking about. It was just so out of left field.
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Well that is one of my virtues - I do come out of left field a lot and add a lot of opinions and theories that sometimes wont relate to the discussion at hand... After all you did leave the door open for me to make my comments.
 
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Northern Light said:
I never said the theory was complete, just that there have been some interesting discoveries along the way. Re: gay women vs. gay men, it's believed (but not proven) that the mechanisms are different.

As for the urge to pro-create... I think that is a very personal choice and not necessarily something you can conclude of everyone. There are straight and gay people everywhere who know that they never want children. I don't think it's a sexual orientation thing. Some people have the drive to do it and others are doing it because of social expectation, the values they were raised with, etc.
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Well if it's NOT a sexual orientation thing, then didn't you just re-affirm why MOST researchers have abandoned that idea in the first place. :)

As to the interesting discoveries, can you be a little more specific with what you personally found interesting?

Tim-
 
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Kobie said:
It's easier for some people here to continue advocating for discrimination if it's not perceived as "normal."
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Sure, I guess I should have specified I was looking for a legitimate reason that being "not normal" could be used to justify denying anyone equal rights or being treated like a human being. We all know that if being normal is a legitimate reason to discriminate we're all in a whole **** load of trouble.
 
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