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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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Cardinal said:
I'm sorry, I don't accept you were born that way. I know a woman who dyed her hair red. When she got tired of it she dyed her back again. Red-headedness is chosen.
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Red-headedness is nature, the brain damage that comes along with it is nurture.
 
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iguanaman said:
Just like redheads. I don't think we should let gingers marry.
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ah...... knee-jerk defensive retardation. I never said anything about not letting gays get married or that homosexuality is bad/wrong. just mentioned a FACT. sorry that you can't see past your butthurt.


plenty of things that are not "normal" are socially, morally, legally, whatever acceptable.
 
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boo hoo...... I'm a red-headed, left-handed, glasses wearing, gay black midget. I'm as not normal as you can get.... :2bigcry:
 
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clownboy said:
Wow, I see you moved right on to anger and bargaining. Now, let us know when you reach acceptance.
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You are the one harping on people with deformities for not being "normal". Poor form sir.
 
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clownboy said:
Easy, recreational drug takers, nudists, anyone who behaves in what is considered (judged to be) "an anti-social manner". You can hide under the wandering definition of "equal treatment", but the heart of the matter is that people judge good and bad make the law accordingly.
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But laws evolve as we evolve and undeserved judgment fades away. Take interracial marriage for instance.
 
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Conservative said:
Nor do you, society defines what is normal and that may differ from what individuals think is normal. The gay and lesbian community is a very small minority in this country with a very vocal leadership and it is a leadership that is going to generate an outcome that they aren't going to like when a Constitutional Amendment is forced upon them defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
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If that is the will of the people then so be it.
 
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OscarB63 said:
boo hoo...... I'm a red-headed, left-handed, glasses wearing, gay black midget. I'm as not normal as you can get.... :2bigcry:
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Woohoo only 3 outta 6(unless midget= 5ft)!!

What is "normal" anyway?
 
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DVSentinel said:
So a sociopath that is happy and functional does not suffer from a mental illness? Really?

You might do a medical search on the effects of anal penetration, of both male and females, not strictly homosexuals, it can cause distress and dysfunction. As a minimum it causes tearing, that is how HIV gets into the system of male homosexuals. Otherwise there would be no blood to blood or semen to blood conduit for it to pass.
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Sociopaths are classified as having antisocial personality disorder which leads to a disregard of the rights of others and unstable or broken relationships. As such it causes dysfunction. Please refer to the DSM.

Anal sex is a specific sexual behavior, not a mental illness. and over a third of heterosexuals have reported doing it. I am not sure why that is relevant since straight people do it and not all gay people do it.
 
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Hicup said:
Yeah see, problem with you gay uncle theory or the gay brothers theory is that it doesn't seem consistent, although it does make for good headlines. IN terms of the gay uncle, the major glaring, (Well glaring if you're not looking at it with rose colored glasses on) problem with that theory is that gay men still have about as much intrinsic desire to procreate as we hetero folks. How do you explain that Northern Light? Not to mention how does a gay female hold up to that theory? Probably not very well, thus both "theories" have been mostly abandoned.


Again, sorry to ruin this lovely gay thread, but I am compelled to set the record straight. ;)


Tim-
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I never said the theory was complete, just that there have been some interesting discoveries along the way. Re: gay women vs. gay men, it's believed (but not proven) that the mechanisms are different.

As for the urge to pro-create... I think that is a very personal choice and not necessarily something you can conclude of everyone. There are straight and gay people everywhere who know that they never want children. I don't think it's a sexual orientation thing. Some people have the drive to do it and others are doing it because of social expectation, the values they were raised with, etc.
 
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CriticalThought said:
If that is the will of the people then so be it.
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Exactly, we are a nation of laws and trying to make everything a civil right is something that will force the silent majority to speak up
 
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CriticalThought said:
Sociopaths are classified as having antisocial personality disorder which leads to a disregard of the rights of others and unstable or broken relationships. As such it causes dysfunction. Please refer to the DSM.

Anal sex is a specific sexual behavior, not a mental illness. and over a third of heterosexuals have reported doing it. I am not sure why that is relevant since straight people do it and not all gay people do it.
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Sociopaths lack empathy.
 
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Conservative said:
Exactly, we are a nation of laws and trying to make everything a civil right is something that will force the silent majority to speak up
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I wouldn't go that far.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I wouldn't go that far.
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IMO, Sexual orientation is a personal choice not a civil right and those that want sexual orientation to be a civil right aren't going to like the outcome.
 
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Conservative said:
IMO, Sexual orientation is a personal choice not a civil right and those that want sexual orientation to be a civil right aren't going to like the outcome.
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Well, I have a completely different philosophy - government should just stay out of marriage or "unions" all together.... After all there are no federal marriage laws anyways.

At the same time I respect the Bill of Rights including the Tenth Amendment.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Well, I have a completely different philosophy - government should just stay out of marriage or "unions" all together.... After all there are no federal marriage laws anyways.

At the same time I respect the Bill of Rights including the Tenth Amendment.
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Not really so different, there isn't a federal marriage law because marriage is common law controlled by the states and that is where it belongs. I respect the Bill of Rights as well but unfortunately far too many are trying to make sexual orientation part of the Bill of Rights and they aren't going to like the outcome.
 
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CriticalThought said:
You are the one harping on people with deformities for not being "normal". Poor form sir.
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Nonsense, I used birth deformities as an example of just how busted your argument was. Context, look into it and rejoin the discussion.
 
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opendebate said:
But laws evolve as we evolve and undeserved judgment fades away. Take interracial marriage for instance.
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Won't change that there will still be some behaviors the group judges as not deserving of equal treatment or that should be banned in certain circumstances/situations. You asked for examples, I gave them to you.
 
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Conservative said:
IMO, Sexual orientation is a personal choice not a civil right and those that want sexual orientation to be a civil right aren't going to like the outcome.
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Sexual orientation is sexual orientation. There's no "right" about it, it's just what someone is. You have no right to interfere with someone or infringe upon their rights regardless of sexual orientation. And when it comes to marriage, which this mostly does, the Marriage License is a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract. We're not talking about making sexual orientation a civil right, just that the rights of the individual be upheld uniformly.
 
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Conservative said:
Not really so different, there isn't a federal marriage law because marriage is common law controlled by the states and that is where it belongs. I respect the Bill of Rights as well but unfortunately far too many are trying to make sexual orientation part of the Bill of Rights and they aren't going to like the outcome.
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Of course because marriage is a Tenth Amendment issue.

I cant see how progressives (or gay marriage advocates) could possibly justify gay marriage via the Bill of Rights.

I think the problem is that these gay marriage advocates don't give one damn about the Bill of Rights or Constitution just as long as they can have their cake and eat it.

I think the Bill of Rights and Constitution take a back seat to their "social justice" or special interests.
 
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I got a kick out of this. It was about as shocking as Clay Aiken coming out. Like it was something remotely close to a secret?
 
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Top Cat said:
I got a kick out of this. It was about as shocking as Clay Aiken coming out. Like it was something remotely close to a secret?
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She could also be lying tho too...... What a better way to get more work in progressive Holyweird if you're gay. Progressives enjoy promoting homosexuality, interracial marriages (between whites and blacks) and just about any fringe issue they can dream up or exploit.
 
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clownboy said:
Won't change that there will still be some behaviors the group judges as not deserving of equal treatment or that should be banned in certain circumstances/situations. You asked for examples, I gave them to you.
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Okay, so I approached this from the wrong angle because the fact that other injustices or inequalities still exist does not legitimize doing so. It just means they have not been sufficiently challenged. What is the criteria we use to determine if a group is undeserving of equal treatment? Anti-social is not it.
 
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