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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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Yes, I wouldn't really burn dvds over her admitting to having a severe mental disorder.

More uneducated ignorance on this topic. You might want to actually educate yourself before you speak on it, further. The APA, with a wealth of research, declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder over 40 years ago. Do try to stay up to date on these issues.
 
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Only to leftist, to intelligent logical human beings, they accept the fact that there is really no mental difference between homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or any other sexual preference disorder. Funny, they claim all the rest are wrong but theirs is somehow normal.

Ah. So now he Godwins by bringing in pedophilia and bestiality. You really don't know anything about this issue, do you? Perhaps you should read the Hooker Study... oh wait... you'd probably dismiss it without a shred of evidence, just because your ignorance on this issue wouldn't allow you to even consider understanding it. Silly me.
 
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For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.



You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1

And the partisan award goes to...
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Throughout the human race, homosexuality is the only time when a man has a sexual attraction to other than a "adult" female or female to other than an adult male that it is not considered a mental disorder. Why is that? Why is every other deviation considered normal except that one?

If it is normal, then why does replacing a deficiency in pregnant women remove most of the probability of female children growing up to be homosexual?

In a study by the University of New Mexico done jointly with a California University, title "Why Women Cheat", they were able to observe, catalog and then reproduce the same results mapping out hormonal reactions in women in the presence of male hormones? If homosexuality is normal, then where are those male hormones coming from since the female body does not produce them?

The only thing making me "wrong" in your view is the fact that due to being emotionally attached to your current view, you have closed yourself off to alternative views and theories. Which btw, your belief is not provable using scientific methods, unless of course we allow experimentation upon humans, something I definitely do not support.

There is nothing intelligible in this post. Just saying.
 
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Only to leftist, to intelligent logical human beings, they accept the fact that there is really no mental difference between homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or any other sexual preference disorder. Funny, they claim all the rest are wrong but theirs is somehow normal.

What in the heck is a "sexual preference disorder"?

Let me be clear on this much. Animals cannot consent to sex. Children cannot consent to sex. I am ordered enough to understand something that simple.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

And the partisan award goes to...

With how many times I see here on DP alone conservatives claiming liberals are all brainwashed idiots who root for America to fail and are intentionally keeping minorities poor, the idea that someone would post that hackish article nota puked onto the forum as some sort of "evidence" of liberal perfidy with no cognizance of the irony is laughable to the point of absurdity.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

And the partisan award goes to...

lol thats what i was thinking

there's no faster way to have a post not taken seriously and completely lose a debate and credibility by lumping people and groups together like that. Posts like that severely lack honesty, integrity, and any rational objective thought. They expose the biased, stereotypical, hypocritical, failed and flawed logic they are based on and reek topical ignorance. It simply exposes a posters true views/colors.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Personally, when I hear about someone "coming out" nowadays, usually I think two things:

1) No big deal... to me, it's equivalent to someone coming out as straight.
2) Somewhat brave in this climate, when even though there is more acceptance of homosexuality, we still see hateful, ignorant, bigotry around, similar to what we see from some in this thread.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.



You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1

I pretty much always like your posts, nota, but if you can't see how those "reasons" apply to some conservatives as much as they do to some liberals, then either I've misjudged you or you were having a bad day.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Seriously, watch the speech, it will bring tears to your eyes. So happy and proud of her. You can tell she was very nervous and this meant a lot to her.

Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay" - CNN.com

"Tears to your eyes"?
Of course. That is why she said what she said. And she has practice, I should think. She is an actress, isn't she?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.



You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1

go away
 
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re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Personally, when I hear about someone "coming out" nowadays, usually I think two things:

1) No big deal... to me, it's equivalent to someone coming out as straight.
2) Somewhat brave in this climate, when even though there is more acceptance of homosexuality, we still see hateful, ignorant, bigotry around, similar to what we see from some in this thread.

I don't think that is a logical analogy. No one comes out as straight, it is assumed.
 
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I don't think that is a logical analogy. No one comes out as straight, it is assumed.

TO ME, it's equivalent. I see someone saying that they are gay as being equivalent to someone saying that they are straight. I understand that not many see it similarly.
 
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Juno was a beautiful film (and pro life).
 
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Another example of Tigger being incapable of dealing with anything that causes his cognitive dissonance to flair up.

Not incapable just unwilling. Of course it would require a moral lobotomy to make me capable, but it could be done.
 
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Not incapable just unwilling. Of course it would require a moral lobotomy to make me capable, but it could be done.

Claims to only care about himself, thinks beating women (and treating them like livestock) is proper, wants the death penalty for gays...

I don't see any morals to labotomize.
 
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I don't think that is a logical analogy. No one comes out as straight, it is assumed.
I can't speak for CC, but I interpreted his point as being that "coming out" and/or being gay is commonplace enough in today's western society as to be figuratively similar.
 
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TO ME, it's equivalent. I see someone saying that they are gay as being equivalent to someone saying that they are straight. I understand that not many see it similarly.

You're opinion of that person may not change, but it isn't really equivalent. Someone coming out as gay is usually new information, but in most situations most people, especially straight people, assume others are straight.
 
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I can't speak for CC, but I interpreted his point as being that "coming out" and/or being gay is commonplace enough in today's western society as to be figuratively similar.

Not really. Kid's don't get thrown out of houses for coming out as straight. Comments similar to the hateful ones in this thread aren't said about straight people due to their sexuality.
 
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I pretty much always like your posts, nota, but if you can't see how those "reasons" apply to some conservatives as much as they do to some liberals, then either I've misjudged you or you were having a bad day.

I always have a "bad day" when I am attacked personally out of nowhere. That's just me.

As for "if you can't see how those 'reasons' apply to some conservatives as much as they do to some liberals," where have I ever indicated in any post otherwise? In fact, what I quoted from John Hawkins may well be the only comment I have ever made that blanket-generalizes a group. Any group; pick one. Seek, but you won't find.

I have never said that conservatives can't also be unpleasant people, realize that they can be, and had a specific rhetorical if-the-shoe-fits rationale for posting at that point what I did about liberals.

You certainly aren’t suggesting that I deserved to be attacked by someone swooping sanctimoniously down to judge me as lacking in compassion and empathy when I said nothing at all about the actor in question and was not part of any bashing or, as she later accuses, “demeaning” others. My benefit-of-the-doubt guess is that you haven’t read the posts that led up to my most recent one.

I said (Post #77): "I've known people who were openly gay all my life. I will admit that when one of sib's friends came out publicly at 16 (everybody who loved her, including all our parents, already knew) in a particularly splashy way, that was very thrilling. Of course, this was in the late '70's.

I just don't care. Be who you are and be happy, but I'm really tired of the who's-gay game."

Onedebate responded with (Post #97): "You're probably tired of it in the same way that some are tired of any other oppressed group fighting for equality, which simply means you do not have any understanding of the world THEY live in and what they fight against so the victories they claim baffle and tire you. You lack context or you would celebrate with them, that is....if you have any compassion or empathy."

I’d like to think you’re able to separate what is said at face-value from what someone has erroneously—and ridiculously—inferred based on her own biases and projections about “pontifications.” I mean, you realize what onedebate was saying here personally about me, right?
 
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Who is Ellen Page?
 
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Seriously, watch the speech, it will bring tears to your eyes. So happy and proud of her. You can tell she was very nervous and this meant a lot to her.

Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay" - CNN.com

Why?

As in why be proud and happy for her.

This sort of thing has been going on for decades. I see no reason to even make it a news story. The idea that gay people are frightened and need to hide in the closet out of shame died with the Carter administration.

Compare miss Page to Melissa Etheridge. Melissa has never denied being a lesbian but never had a dramatic coming out moment either because she did not need one and it is all pretty irrelevant.

People swear Jodie Foster is a lesbian but she keeps her personal life private and expects her privacy to be respected. Not because she has something to hide but because it is no one else business.

Making a hero out of someone for this sort of thing is silly. Miss page told the world a personal detail which few people give a damn about. Most likely those people in her life who are important to her knew it anyways.
 
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Who is Ellen Page?

I remember her best as Kitty Pride from one of the X men movie last stand. Apparently she also starred in Juno which I never watched.
 
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Fortunately, it seems she is more enlightened then that.

How so? Does she recognize her temptation and chose to overcome it instead of living in that sin?
And I will hope that you get over the fact that people are born straight and people are born gay, and it has nothing to do with any "god".

Go ahead and pray...the rest of us will do the thinking.

People are born with a sinful nature, I never claimed that having same sex attractions was a choice by the person. However, how someone lives and what they do with their temptations is their choice.

I will pray because I care and want to see someone saved from a future of sin, I'm perfectly capable of thinking as well.

I had a feeling she was, not that it really matters.



That sales pitch has gotten old.

It's not a sales pitch, it's wishing someone well and hoping they avoid something that will destroy them.

And I pray there's a spot in heaven for the multitude of highly judgmental Christians out there.

I'm not judging her, I'm not saying I'm better than her. She admitted to having an attraction and temptation to something that is wrong. If someone admitted that they were sexually attracted to children I would pray for them too so that they can overcome that temptation. Same with someone who lusts after the same sex or has an addiction to a substance. I pray because I wish her well and because I don't want to see another person go down a path of enslavement to sin and reject the life that God wants them to live only to have that choice ultimately lead to their destruction.
 
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