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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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Well if you're going to focus on **** like that then it's not normal to be Japanese.

By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word. You seem so focused and supportive of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, are you trying to tell us something? Coming out of the closet? I long thought that might be the case.
 
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So then why is their suicide rate higher?

Societal stigma and bullying. Every minority in the United States has a higher suicide rate but being a minority is not a mental illness.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word. You seem so focused and supportive of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, are you trying to tell us something? Coming out of the closet? I long thought that might be the case.

You do not get to define what is considered normal to other people. The more you try to control the thoughts of others by telling what they can and cannot consider normal the more apparent your desire for moral tyranny becomes.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Seriously, watch the speech, it will bring tears to your eyes. So happy and proud of her. You can tell she was very nervous and this meant a lot to her.

Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay" - CNN.com

She is dumb. There's no such thing as "gay." "Gay" and "straight" are outdated early 21st century terms.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word. You seem so focused and supportive of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, are you trying to tell us something? Coming out of the closet? I long thought that might be the case.

I'm married to a Beautiful Japanese girl who I have a son with.

Because I stand up for individual liberty you attack me.

You're a fraud, a fake, you're not a Small Government Conservative, you're a Republican Stooge only.

Whatever they so goes for you including discrimination against gays.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word. You seem so focused and supportive of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, are you trying to tell us something? Coming out of the closet? I long thought that might be the case.

Okay what is the "true" definition of the word normal?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You do not get to define what is considered normal to other people. The more you try to control the thoughts of others by telling what they can and cannot consider normal the more apparent your desire for moral tyranny becomes.

Only when you spend all your time redefining words. Normal has a meaning.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I'm married to a Beautiful Japanese girl who I have a son with.

Because I stand up for individual liberty you attack me.

You're a fraud, a fake, you're not a Small Government Conservative, you're a Republican Stooge only.

Whatever they so goes for you including discrimination against gays.

If you were sincere in your beliefs you wouldn't see what was said as an "attack".
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

She is dumb. There's no such thing as "gay." "Gay" and "straight" are outdated early 21st century terms.

What now? Have the terms switched to hetero-American and homo-American and nobody's told me?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

It seems you could probably look that one up yourself.

So if I say:

"It is normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual."

Am I using the "true" definition of the word?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

By definition there is nothing normal about being gay except to someone else that is gay but that doesn't make it normal in the true definition of the word.

1,500 species disagree w/you. . .

Research indicates that various forms of this are found throughout the animal kingdom.[1][2] As of 1999, nearly 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, have been observed engaging in same-sex behaviors; this is well documented in about 500 species.[3][4]

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only thing unnatural is the classifcation of members of the human species into "gays" and "straights", i. e. the notion that man confines its sexual interaction a priori to exclusively one of 2 genders.

There is zero evidence in the non-human animal animal kingdom of such confinement, among all the species identified above--not one of those species is, for example, gay--mates w/only members of the same sex.

It makes no sense at all that humans can claim that such a distinction exists when there's no evidence of it in other species.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

So if I say:

"It is normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual."

Am I using the "true" definition of the word?

Yes, especially if you said "very small percentage" instead of "certain percentage". However, if you said that homosexuality was normal sexual behavior you'd be wrong.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

1,500 species disagree w/you. . .



The only thing unnatural is the classifcation of members of the human species into "gays" and "straights", i. e. the notion that man confines its sexual interaction a priori to exclusively one of 2 genders.

There is zero evidence in the non-human animal animal kingdom of such confinement, among all the species identified above--not one of those species is, for example, gay--mates w/only members of the same sex.

It makes no sense at all that humans can claim that such a distinction exists when there's no evidence of it in other species.

Well this cuts into the whole "you're born gay (or straight)" doesn't it? Now we're back to it being a choice and all the baggage that goes with that.
 
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1,500 species disagree w/you. . .



The only thing unnatural is the classifcation of members of the human species into "gays" and "straights", i. e. the notion that man confines its sexual interaction a priori to exclusively one of 2 genders.

There is zero evidence in the non-human animal animal kingdom of such confinement, among all the species identified above--not one of those species is, for example, gay--mates w/only members of the same sex.

It makes no sense at all that humans can claim that such a distinction exists when there's no evidence of it in other species.

Considering that, human homosexuality IS indeed not normal and not natural.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Yes, especially if you said "very small percentage" instead of "certain percentage". However, if you said that homosexuality was normal sexual behavior you'd be wrong.

Whatever:roll:
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

What now? Have the terms switched to hetero-American and homo-American and nobody's told me?

The terms haven't switched. They were merely artificial classifications that existed solely to put anyone who engaged in homosexuality into a protected class, in the face of discrimination against those who practiced it. THAT'S IT.

In reality, there are no gay humans, just as there are no straight humans, because humans, like all other species, only make mating decisions based on perceptible attributes, and gender can't directly be perceived, only inferred.

While it's true that specific combinations of attributes (that one may have a preference for) may be more common in one gender than another, all attributes are known to exist in at least one member of both genders.

Consequently, given a large enough population size, any combination of attributes must exist in at least one member of both genders.

Hence, if one is attracted (either the feminine or masculine mode of attraction) to the set of attributes (A1, A2, A3, ...), then there will at least one member of both genders with (A1, A2, A3, ...) which means that person could not be either gay or straight, because both would imply confinement.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

The terms haven't switched. They were merely artificial classifications that existed solely to put anyone who engaged in homosexuality into a protected class, in the face of discrimination against those who practiced it. THAT'S IT.

In reality, there are no gay humans, just as there are no straight humans, because humans, like all other species, only make mating decisions based on perceptible attributes, and gender can't directly be perceived, only inferred.

While it's true that specific combinations of attributes (that one may have a preference for) may be more common in one gender than another, all attributes are known to exist in at least one member of both genders.

Consequently, given a large enough population size, any combination of attributes must exist in at least one member of both genders.

Hence, if one is attracted (either the feminine or masculine mode of attraction) to the set of attributes (A1, A2, A3, ...), then there will at least one member of both genders with (A1, A2, A3, ...) which means that person could not be either gay or straight, because both would imply confinement.

Interesting, so gay men do not need to even be gay, they could just find a sufficiently masculine woman and it would be the same?
 
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Yes, especially if you said "very small percentage" instead of "certain percentage". However, if you said that homosexuality was normal sexual behavior you'd be wrong.

Homosexuality is normal in the sense that it has occurred throughout all human history, in virtually every culture, and the people who identify as gay can be healthy, functional, and happy individuals.

Any other standard of normal is petty semantics.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Interesting, so gay men do not need to even be gay, they could just find a sufficiently masculine woman and it would be the same?

Rosie O'donnel with a strap-on......
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Yes, especially if you said "very small percentage" instead of "certain percentage". However, if you said that homosexuality was normal sexual behavior you'd be wrong.

So why do you have a problem with sexual behavior that you consider not normal. And what is not normal. Are we limited to the missionary position with only the opposite sex. Sounds pretty dull.
 
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So are you cool with an 18 year old marrying his 23 year old brother? I ask that, not because I oppose same sex marriage (I don't). I just think you have to be honest that some lines are ok to draw. When you say things like, "you're a bigot if you believe in restricting rights for others that you enjoy" that, basically, puts you in the position of having to agree with everything anyone else wants to engage in. I don't oppose SSM. I do oppose polygamy and incestuous marriages even if the parties involved are consenting adults.

I'm not "cool" with it, but I don't think it should be illegal. I think people should be educated about the risks of such a thing, and it should be socially shunned, but not legislated against. Gays can't procreate, so that's an absolute non-issue with SSM.
 
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