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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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digsbe said:
So you don't believe the Bible is the inspired word of God written through man by the Holy Spirit of God? The Bible claims that all scripture (Biblical cannon) is

The miracles, prophecies, and things pertaining to God and His power are true, not made up. Jesus did come to earth as God in human flesh, heal the sick and atone for sin. There is a heaven, there is a hell, there will be a judgement day.

You are free to believe what you want, but when contrasted to the absolute truth of the Inspired Word of God, you are wrong in the belief that everything but "be nice and don't be a dick" is all the Bible is valid for.
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Of course the Bible has a verse in it that says all things in it are true. :lol:

That doesn't make it all true though.

You have no proof for your assertions, just faith. And I get that, this isn't science, but don't say that what you believe is the absolute truth because you can NEVER know that. Let me repeat, you can NEVER know that your religious beliefs are true. That goes for everyone.

You have just as much knowledge as me, or anyone else for that matter. It's fine to believe what you want to believe, but don't go around saying that it is the absolute truth, that is just ridiculous. You're a scientist, you should know that saying things like that are ridiculous.
 
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digsbe said:
So you don't believe the Bible is the inspired word of God written through man by the Holy Spirit of God? The Bible claims that all scripture (Biblical cannon) is
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The bible is the word of god, because the bible says its the word of god? Nice logic.

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beefheart said:
No they aren't, that is just the baloney they feed you to keep you guilty and in the "faith" Sin isn't a biological trait either, same sex attraction, most likely is. It certainly exists in several other species, and we all evolved into our species.

I wasn't born with a burden of guilt on my head because some 2000 year old book says so.
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It's also why a lot of consensual sex stuff, like masturbation, sex before marriage, is sin; everyone has sexual urges, so they can guilt everyone into towing the line. Of course this is more a indictment on the early formations of religions, as, in western countries at least, the governments don't divine their authority from God.

Still good at controlling people though.
 
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Your Star said:
It's also why a lot of consensual sex stuff, like masturbation, sex before marriage, is sin; everyone has sexual urges, so they can guilt everyone into towing the line. Of course this is more a indictment on the early formations of religions, as, in western countries at least, the governments don't divine their authority from God.

Still good at controlling people though.
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Yep, we are animals, we have urges, it isn't the devil making us do it, it is millions of years of evolving into what we are biologically.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, that's not what the study determined. What the study determined was that when assessing people with no psychological issues, one cannot tell the difference between someone who is heterosexual or someone who is homosexual. There is no inherent mental illness. If one were to do the same kinds of assessments on someone who is depressed verses someone who is not, those assessment tools would absolutely demonstrate differences.
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And yet, other more intensive tests, such as Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain show a clear definable difference. That would indicate that the testing used was inadequate, or was intentionally limited to test which would prove the testers bias.
 
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Conservative said:
Keep throwing it in my face and all over TV and I am going to comment. I don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is, quit flaunting it and quit acting like flaunting it is something to be celebrated.
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I do hope you feel the same way about heterosexuals.
 
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MMC said:
Why shouldn't he or any other comment? If they don't like it or if they do. What would it matter to you whether you like it or not. Deal with it!
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I don't care whether he comments. But if it annoys him to read it, he doesn't have to. He does have that kind of control.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, it's incapable. Cognitive dissonance is frightening to authoritarians.
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As it should be to everyone. Being unable or unwilling to live as you claim to believe should be emotionally and psychologically stressful.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, in other words your post was unintelligible.
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And yet you do not ask questions or seek clarification in a communications breakdown. Instead you basically call the post stupid. Is this because you consider communications skills the only true sign of intelligence? Tell me, how well did you understand Einsteins Theories on Relativity? Obviously he was stupid if you couldn't understand what he was saying.
 
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Tigger said:
As it should be to everyone. Being unable or unwilling to live as you claim to believe should be emotionally and psychologically stressful.
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It should force one to change their views in accordance with reality.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I do hope you feel the same way about heterosexuals.
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Absolutely but I don't see heterosexuals trumpeting their sexuality on TV and getting standing ovations for "coming out."
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I don't care whether he comments. But if it annoys him to read it, he doesn't have to. He does have that kind of control.
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Well I figured that, with what he had to say about it.....myself, I find when I don't care about someone comments. I usually don't post anything up about it. I just move on to what the discussion is about with another. KnowwhatImean!
 
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Your Star said:
It should force one to change their views in accordance with reality.
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Not at all. Especially when "reality" has no correlation with what the world SHOULD be. Y ii accept the idea that what the world IS defines what it SHOULD be and that's totally incorrect.
 
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digsbe said:
Let me explain it this way. We have laws set before us in this life as well. The law says that murder is illegal, stealing is illegal, rape is illegal and other things. Someone may personally believe that murdering someone else isn't wrong, that stealing isn't wrong, that rape isn't wrong and then commit those acts with the personally held opinion that to do so is not wrong or illegal. When they are brought to court their actions are judged based on the word of law, not based on their subjective opinions that may or may not be correct or incorrect. If someone murdered another person under the personal belief that the person deserved it, that it was justified or that as the stronger individual they had a right to kill someone else they will still be judged by the letter of that law and judged accordingly by the higher power (in this case, the legal system). Their personal beliefs and interpretations didn't alter the truth of the law that murder is illegal, wrong and will be punished.
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Actually, you are incorrect. Their personal beliefs and interpretations are completely unchanged by the law. Their truth is their truth. That, however does not alter whether their truth will receive consequences under the current law. This is a good indication of why you are wrong. Personal beliefs are not wrong... as I just demonstrated to you. That does not mean that they may not cause consequences.

The Bible is the ultimate authority for law, sin and the path to salvation as it is the Word of God. Someone can believe whatever they want, but if what they believe is in conflict with God's Word then what that person believes is wrong.
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Your comparison of BELIEF and LAW is illogical. Law is tangible. Belief is not. Law can cause consequences. Belief does not... or not any that you can prove. This is why you are wrong and why morals and beliefs are relative.

Someone may believe that having an adulterous affair, homosexual sex, murder or any other thing that the Bible clearly says is an act of sin against God will be judged according to what is absolute, in that the person was absolutely wrong with God's Word being the absolute source of truth when it comes to "is this act right or wrong?"
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That depends on the belief system and the interpretation of God's words... AND whether one accepts that God's word is law. Since you cannot scientifically prove that it is, nor scientifically prove that there are consequences to violating YOUR interpretation, your words and edicts are just YOUR belief. Nothing more.

Say one person believes in reincarnation, one is an atheist and believes that when we die we just rot and another is a Christian that believes in God and judgement as described in the Bible. When they die, are their beliefs subjective? Does each individual go to a reality that they themselves constructed simply because they constructed it and truth is subjective to the person?
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The answer is... we don't know. You can't prove anything you've said. What you fail to understand and what many others fail in the same way is that faith is not something that can be proven nor can it be tested. That's another reason why it is relative.
 
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Tigger said:
Not at all. Especially when "reality" has no correlation with what the world SHOULD be. Y ii accept the idea that what the world IS defines what it SHOULD be and that's totally incorrect.
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As soon as you use the word "should" your comments move into personal opinion and have NOTHING to do with the world at large.
 
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Conservative said:
Absolutely but I don't see heterosexuals trumpeting their sexuality on TV and getting standing ovations for "coming out."
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You also don't see heterosexuals being fired for being heterosexuals; or having laws that specifically discriminate against them for being hetero; or see hetero teenagers killing themselves because their parents and peers don't accept them for being hetero; or see other hetero teens thrown out of their houses for being hetero. The situations aren't equal, so reacting to them as is quite silly.

Having visible LGBT role models is a big deal that can save lives.
 
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Conservative said:
Absolutely but I don't see heterosexuals trumpeting their sexuality on TV and getting standing ovations for "coming out."
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If you don't believe that heterosexuals don't flaunt their sexuality on TV, you don't watch TV. And for heterosexuals, "coming out" is not an issue and never has been.
 
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Tigger said:
As it should be to everyone. Being unable or unwilling to live as you claim to believe should be emotionally and psychologically stressful.
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Should. Personal opinion that has nothing to do with anything outside yourself. It's like you're having a conversation with yourself, Tigger.
 
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DVSentinel said:
And yet you do not ask questions or seek clarification in a communications breakdown. Instead you basically call the post stupid. Is this because you consider communications skills the only true sign of intelligence? Tell me, how well did you understand Einsteins Theories on Relativity? Obviously he was stupid if you couldn't understand what he was saying.
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I had no reason to ask for clarification from someone who clearly doesn't understand the issue... based on your posts. Communication has two components: clarity of expression and understanding of the issue. If you lack both, I have little interest in wanting to clarification of the expression.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Should. Personal opinion that has nothing to do with anything outside yourself. It's like you're having a conversation with yourself, Tigger.
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I'm about the only one worthy of having a conversation with me, CC. Very few of you out there are even worth my spittle, never mind my time.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

CaptainCourtesy said:
If you don't believe that heterosexuals don't flaunt their sexuality on TV, you don't watch TV. And for heterosexuals, "coming out" is not an issue and never has been.
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Sorry, I don't see a heterosexual entering a Gym full of people and getting a standing ovation because they are a heterosexual. Like it or not, homosexuals are a small part of this country and yet they flaunt their sexuality and get the publicity. Why? With all the problems in this country homosexuality shouldn't even be on the list.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
And yet this has nothing to do with it being a mental illness which is what you presented. Absolutely NOTHING.
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So abnormal developments in the brain have "absolutely nothing" to do with mental illness? Then what exactly do you define as a mental illness?
 
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Tigger said:
Very few of you out there are even worth my spittle, never mind my time.
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Feel free to spare us, we've all been waiting.
 
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Tigger said:
I'm about the only one worthy of having a conversation with me, CC. Very few of you out there are even worth my spittle, never mind my time.
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You're the only one who could tolerate you. No one else considers you worth their time or spittle.
 
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