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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

j-mac said:
The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
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That is not the only reason some employees oppose unions. Some do not like being limited to advancement by seniority rules as example. Unions generally oppose advancement by merit.
 
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joko104 said:
That is not the only reason some employees oppose unions. Some do not like being limited to advancement by seniority rules as example. Unions generally oppose advancement by merit.
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Yep, as I grew up in Lansing MI. I saw many of my friends over the years complain of the politics involved in advancing. Not to mention that getting a job in any of the GM system there had little to do with qualifications, and more to do with who you knew.
 
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j-mac said:
The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
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The bottom line is the shift of power is away from labor and fully in the hands of capital.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I don't think a foreign union can organize here.
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I wouldn't think so, either, but since we seem to be heading toward an all-inclusive type of umbrella governance world-wide, who knows? It appears they're trying to do something similar with the climate change debate at the UN.
 
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polgara said:
I wouldn't think so, either, but since we seem to be heading toward an all-inclusive type of umbrella governance world-wide, who knows? It appears they're trying to do something similar with the climate change debate at the UN.
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Well if you mean certain countries following certain policies similar in nature to such things as the economy, environment, human rights, etc....I'd agree. Our trade policies are more structured to support capital in larger proportion to either labor or real production. Something needs to give.
 
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j-mac said:
The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
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Yep... the corrupt unions failed their members and the companies their members were working for. Good riddance.

I wonder... what would happen if say... Apple were unionized? I do hear a flushing sound...
 
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NIMBY said:
A decade ago, this vote would not have even taken place.
That it was this close shows how close the workers are to being freed from the GOP Gulags.
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The biggest difference between a Right to Work State and a Union state is that in a Union state the workers aren't given the option. So by your way of thinking the inability to vote is freedom and freedom to vote is a Gulag. You are doubleplusgood at this.

That a United States Senator had to intervene and lie his A$$ off about VW shows how desperate the GOP is.
VW corrected Corker several times and you didn't notice Sen. Alexander saying anything, since he is up for reelection.
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He said he figured the decision would be made within weeks. This could just as easily be based on the fact that without the Union the state of Tennessee will green light VW subsidies, which it will.

That Grover Norquist had to be called in to buy up billboards replacing the word AUTO with OBAMA in UAW should remind DEMs just how low the
GOP will go to maintain their death grip once a right-to-work status is determined.
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You mean like MoveOn.org buying billboards in Texas? Is that how low the GOP is going? Careful they don't land on your heads!

The GOP has now given the DEMs plenty of new material here.
It is now up to the DEMs to use it wisely and go-for-the-throat, as the GOP has just done .
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The GOP allowed a vote that never would have happened in a Union state and the union lost. You go ahead and try to my political hay out of that.
 
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wbcoleman said:
The workers knew perfectly well that VW supported the union.
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Which of course raises an important question: Why is a union even necessary when the company in question wants it? I'm sure they could ask UAW what its members are paid and pay the new hires that amount, right?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Still Corker told them no expansion would happen with a yes vote.
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Therefore.... what? Did Corker have a role in VW's expansion plans? He did not. Why, therefore are you so focused on Corker, aside from his providing a convenient and lazy excuse for the UAW's failure?
 
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wbcoleman said:
Therefore.... what? Did Corker have a role in VW's expansion plans? He did not. Why, therefore are you so focused on Corker, aside from his providing a convenient and lazy excuse for the UAW's failure?
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Jeez that's a cute cat you got there
 
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DA60 said:
'In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, employees voted against union representation at Volkswagen AG's Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, which had been seen as organized labor's best chance to expand in the U.S. South.

Retired Tennessee Circuit Court Judge Sam Payne, who oversaw the count, said workers voted against UAW representation by 712 to 626.'

Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat | Reuters
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Lets hope more business's throw out the crooked unions.
 
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wbcoleman said:
Therefore.... what? Did Corker have a role in VW's expansion plans? He did not. Why, therefore are you so focused on Corker, aside from his providing a convenient and lazy excuse for the UAW's failure?
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....because what he did in his position was unethical.
 
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jmotivator said:
The biggest difference between a Right to Work State and a Union state is that in a Union state the workers aren't given the option. So by your way of thinking the inability to vote is freedom and freedom to vote is a Gulag. You are doubleplusgood at this.



He said he figured the decision would be made within weeks. This could just as easily be based on the fact that without the Union the state of Tennessee will green light VW subsidies, which it will.



You mean like MoveOn.org buying billboards in Texas? Is that how low the GOP is going? Careful they don't land on your heads!



The GOP allowed a vote that never would have happened in a Union state and the union lost. You go ahead and try to my political hay out of that.
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The irony and short memories of union supporters is hysterical. Outside groups, misinformation campaigns, scare tactics? Guess they forgot the campaign for Scott Walker's recall. Or its just OK and worthy when they do it. :lamo
 
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George F. Will: Breaking the grip of the unions - The Washington Post

VW received $577 million in tax breaks and other incentives to locate in Chattanooga, so Tennessee officials surely were entitled to speak about how unionization might harm the investment already made and might diminish the likelihood of additional help. Nowadays, however, liberalism responds to its unpersuasiveness by trying to get government to silence (as with the Internal Revenue Service) or punish (it is the National Labor Relations Board’s turn) speech by liberalism’s critics. So, the UAW may ask the NLRB to overturn the vote because of unfair labor practices, which supposedly amount to the fact that the UAW was not the only speaker during the debate before the vote. Anti-UAW billboards noted Detroit’s current prostration, and Sen. Bob Corker called the UAW “a Detroit-based organization.” Its headquarters, Solidarity House, is in Detroit.:peace
 
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Oh, but bummer he did lie when he said, I’ve had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the UAW, Volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid-size SUV here in Chattanooga,” said Corker in a statement Wednesday evening."
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Oh, but bummer he did lie when he said, I’ve had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the UAW, Volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid-size SUV here in Chattanooga,” said Corker in a statement Wednesday evening."
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There is zero evidence that was not true.
 
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Jack Hays said:
George F. Will: Breaking the grip of the unions - The Washington Post

VW received $577 million in tax breaks and other incentives to locate in Chattanooga, so Tennessee officials surely were entitled to speak about how unionization might harm the investment already made and might diminish the likelihood of additional help. Nowadays, however, liberalism responds to its unpersuasiveness by trying to get government to silence (as with the Internal Revenue Service) or punish (it is the National Labor Relations Board’s turn) speech by liberalism’s critics. So, the UAW may ask the NLRB to overturn the vote because of unfair labor practices, which supposedly amount to the fact that the UAW was not the only speaker during the debate before the vote. Anti-UAW billboards noted Detroit’s current prostration, and Sen. Bob Corker called the UAW “a Detroit-based organization.” Its headquarters, Solidarity House, is in Detroit.:peace
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This has to do with the company and employees not Corker.
 
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