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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

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j-mac said:
Yes, and just look at what cesspools they are....
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Urban areas have more problems due to large pockets of poverty often found in them.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
To quote-

"No statements as to FDR’s views on collective bargaining for state or municipal workers were found among his papers as Governor of New York or as President."http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/aboutfdr/unions.html
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In 1937 FDR wrote:

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service..."

"The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service

You are just plain wrong....Sorry.
 
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j-mac said:
In 1937 FDR wrote:

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service..."

"The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service

You are just plain wrong....Sorry.
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I'm not pain wrong. That was a direct quote from the FDR library.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I'm not pain wrong. That was a direct quote from the FDR library.
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And mine was a letter directly from the pen of FDR in 1937...So?
 
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j-mac said:
And mine was a letter directly from the pen of FDR in 1937...So?
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Right, and he went on to define public service as specifically federal. Never once did he mention state or municipalities as the library itself confirmed.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Right, and he went on to define public service as specifically federal. Never once did he mention state or municipalities as the library itself confirmed.
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He was speaking to the danger of union power in the public sector being that a union elects the representatives that make the laws governing their pay, and work conditions...Although true that he was talking about the federal government unions, the same holds true for state, on down....Unless you think that those unions don't elect their reps?
 
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j-mac said:
He was speaking to the danger of union power in the public sector being that a union elects the representatives that make the laws governing their pay, and work conditions...Although true that he was talking about the federal government unions, the same holds true for state, on down....Unless you think that those unions don't elect their reps?
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How does a rep determine a public sector's pay?
 
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DA60 said:
'In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, employees voted against union representation at Volkswagen AG's Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, which had been seen as organized labor's best chance to expand in the U.S. South.

Retired Tennessee Circuit Court Judge Sam Payne, who oversaw the count, said workers voted against UAW representation by 712 to 626.'

Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat | Reuters
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Some left wingers are blaming the defeat on racism.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
They don't draft laws for pay.
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Are you serious? Do you even know what congress does? Or for that matter what "appropriations" is?
 
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j-mac said:
Are you serious? Do you even know what congress does? Or for that matter what "appropriations" is?
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They do not draft laws for local wages of public sector workers.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
They do not draft laws for local wages of public sector workers.
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I didn't say that....Go back and re familiarize yourself with what were talking about then come on back.
 
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j-mac said:
I didn't say that....Go back and re familiarize yourself with what were talking about then come on back.
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When I asked you "How does a rep determine public sector's pay", you responded, "They draft the laws". So, go ahead and explain how drafting laws determines public sector pay. TIA
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
When I asked you "How does a rep determine public sector's pay", you responded, "They draft the laws". So, go ahead and explain how drafting laws determines public sector pay. TIA
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First of all you are all over the place, so let's get the parameters straight if you want me to explain it to you....So you tell me, are we talking about Federal, State, or Local municipality?
 
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j-mac said:
First of all you are all over the place, so let's get the parameters straight if you want me to explain it to you....So you tell me, are we talking about Federal, State, or Local municipality?
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I'm talking specifically local municipality. TIA
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
It doesn't matter. I'll let you choose.
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Ok fine....Here is an outline for AR, and guide book for Mayors....It states...

"Mayors in cities or towns with a Mayor/Council form of government are required to prepare, and submit a budget to the council for approval on or before Dec 1 of each year."

It also states within that the Mayor is responsible through the budget to set the salaries of the Executives, and Council.

http://www.celdf.org/downloads/Arkansas - Guidebook for Municipal Officials 07.pdf

Now, the obvious thing here is that each dept. within the municipality submit their budgets to the executive, and the executive submits it for approval through the council.

Are we on the same page so far?

Now, If you have a union negotiating the salaries of the people working within that framework, then they are also voters of the executive, and council, right? So, it is an unfair advantage because as the union becomes more powerful, they hold a voting block over the Mayor's, or council's heads, and therefore, it is a corrupt system.
 
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LowDown said:
Some left wingers are blaming the defeat on racism.
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Of course they are. Liberal response is like those annoying automated telephone help lines. They just plug their issue in to the talking point player and whatever comes up first they run with it. Clearly it couldn't be that the people who work there are happy with their jobs and have no problems talking to management on their own behalf.
 
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NIMBY said:
Tell me about it.
You long-timers can be pretty cool sometimes.

I'm sure glad that Volkswagon had their brains on through this.

I think VW would prefer the higher level of intelligence up here in Illinois.
If we elect GOP Rauner as gov, a good chance, the venture boy could lure them here.

We already have Mitsubishi, and have decades with Caterpillar.
We may have to elect GOPs nationwide so the GOP stops strangling the Nation's economy .
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You generously ignore that Caterpillar will do just about anything to avoid interacting with Unions. Caterpillar is a renowned union buster if I'm not mistaken (I'm not mistaken).
 
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CycloneWanderer said:
You generously ignore that Caterpillar will do just about anything to avoid interacting with Unions. Caterpillar is a renowned union buster if I'm not mistaken (I'm not mistaken).
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If I'm not mistaken, Caterpillar is still in business, isn't it?
 
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