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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

polgara said:
I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:
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What exactly does right to work state have to do with anything?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I never said they don't. I was referring to the tensions in the city that help deplete the population.
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It is funny. Local government will create an environment that people flee from - and then when it all collapses they blame the people they ran off - and some people actually buy their excuses for destroying their own city.

The government and mostly Democrats killed the golden goose and the Detroit auto industry. They regulated, restricted and taxed it into the ground. The auto industry was booming and expanding in the 60s - and then the zippy pinhead liberals decided that cars had to be more ethical and nice, as did their factories. At the same time, trade unions instead became left wing political organizations. And that was the end of the boom never to return.

I think the legitimacy of trade unions ended when they shifted from militantly opposing cheap immigrant labor to militantly supporting it having become Democrat Party groupies. From that moment, unions became the open enemy of their own members.
 
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joko104 said:
It is funny. Local government will create an environment that people flee from - and then when it all collapses they blame the people they ran off - and some people actually buy their excuses for destroying their own city.

The government and mostly Democrats killed the golden goose and the Detroit auto industry. They regulated, restricted and taxed it into the ground. The auto industry was booming and expanding in the 60s - and then the zippy pinhead liberals decided that cars had to be more ethical and nice, as did their factories. At the same time, trade unions instead became left wing political organizations. And that was the end of the boom never to return.

I think the legitimacy of trade unions ended when they shifted from militantly opposing cheap immigrant labor to militantly supporting it having become Democrat Party groupies. From that moment, unions became the open enemy of their own members.
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Sad how nearly everything is looked through partisan glasses. Democrat groupies, left wing organizations, liberals....how about it having to do with globalization? Not Libs, Dem groupies, left wing organization blah blah blah:doh
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, tensions started prior to factory closings.
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I made no claim about sequencing, only about impact and end state. I hope you're not going to try to claim that factory closings did not contribute to Detroit's depopulation.:peace
 
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Jack Hays said:
VW is not owned by BMW.
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hmm thought I heard some where that BMW bought them.
 
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ludin said:
hmm thought I heard some where that BMW bought them.
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Nope. BMW bought Mini-Cooper. VW is a much bigger company than BMW.:peace
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
What exactly does right to work state have to do with anything?
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A Right-To-Work state follows a statute that governs whether or not a union can require payment of union dues as a condition of employment. It also prevents them from excluding non-union workers. There are currently 24 states that have Right to Work laws. The company I worked for agreed to allow a union to attempt to unionize non-factory workers, since the factory workers had already been unionized. The vote was a resounding NO from 90 percent of the non-union workers. The union never tried again. Perhaps the office staff didn't want everyone making the same amount of money, but felt it was better to negotiate their own salaries, based on the job they did, which encouraged those that wanted to advance on their own merit. The union also wanted to have everyone wear a uniform. Now when you're dealing with females in an office situation, you can imagine the reaction to that bright idea!. The Company had a dress code in place which stated what appropriate office attire consisted of...no see-through clothing, no blue jeans, etc. And this was a Fortune 500 company that had over 100,000 employees in many different countries in addition to the US. A union just wasn't needed or wanted.

Greetings, rabbitcaebannog. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
A Right-To-Work state follows a statute that governs whether or not a union can require payment of union dues as a condition of employment. It also prevents them from excluding non-union workers. There are currently 24 states that have Right to Work laws. The company I worked for agreed to allow a union to attempt to unionize non-factory workers, since the factory workers had already been unionized. The vote was a resounding NO from 90 percent of the non-union workers. The union never tried again. Perhaps the office staff didn't want everyone making the same amount of money, but felt it was better to negotiate their own salaries, based on the job they did, which encouraged those that wanted to advance on their own merit. The union also wanted to have everyone wear a uniform. Now when you're dealing with females in an office situation, you can imagine the reaction to that bright idea!. The Company had a dress code in place which stated what appropriate office attire consisted of...no see-through clothing, no blue jeans, etc. And this was a Fortune 500 company that had over 100,000 employees in many different countries in addition to the US. A union just wasn't needed or wanted.

Greetings, rabbitcaebannog. :2wave:
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Hi Polgara, just so you know, Detroit is currently a right to work state but I don't think that had anything to do with why VW set up in Chattanooga.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Public unions are under attack too. The last bastion. As earlier stated, the elimination of labor unions by people who have a vested interest against labor rights. These are the same politicians and powerful influences that support race to the bottom policies. That's not smart for citizens of a country in any shape or form. Absolute power corrupts.
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IT DOES Corrupt, which is why public sector unions are so terrible.
All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," he wrote. "It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."

Roosevelt didn’t stop there.

"The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations," he wrote.

When Walker claimed FDR said "the government is the people," he had Roosevelt’s next line in mind.

"The employer," Roosevelt’s letter added, "is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."
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Did FDR oppose collective bargaining for government workers? | PolitiFact Wisconsin

One of the few areas I agree with FDR, and in this case he makes quite the formidable case against public sector unions.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Here we go with a misinformation campaign.
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Lol? This should amuse us all... you really shouldnt tell us you're about to start lying.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Here we go with a misinformation campaign.
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Oh, so now Politi-Fact is "misinformation" when it comes out against your ideas of unionization eh? Is it only that? or does it extend to everything that is contrary to your ideology that is "misinformation".....

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rabbitcaebannog said:
Sad how nearly everything is looked through partisan glasses. Democrat groupies, left wing organizations, liberals....how about it having to do with globalization? Not Libs, Dem groupies, left wing organization blah blah blah:doh
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I don't, but that does apply to Detroit.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh, so now Politi-Fact is "misinformation" when it comes out against your ideas of unionization eh? Is it only that? or does it extend to everything that is contrary to your ideology that is "misinformation".....

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FDR was talking about Federal government.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
FDR was talking about Federal government.
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FDR was speaking about public sector unions, and in his post MrVic was also talking about public sector unions....Where is the "misinformation"??? Or didn't you read it?
 
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j-mac said:
FDR was speaking about public sector unions, and in his post MrVic was also talking about public sector unions....Where is the "misinformation"??? Or didn't you read it?
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Let me highlight the word---FEDERAL
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, not Detroit. Most urban areas have been largely controlled by the Democratic Party.
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Yes, and just look at what cesspools they are....
 
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joko104 said:
I would think anyone promoting the auto worker's union wouldn't mention DETROIT.

Explain why VW didn't want to open up in DETROIT? There certainly is plenty of factory space and unemployed people needing jobs.

Explain why basically NO AUTO COMPANY does ANYTHING in DETROIT anymore if it is so successful for a company to have the UAW.

To understand the long term effects of the UAW all a person has to do it visit DETROIT.

OK, now it's your turn to blame everyone but the union for the collapse of the auto industry in DETROIT.

UAW and Democrat controlled Detroit, Michigan to be specific.
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If by DETROIT - you mean the DETROIT AREA - there is a huge and thriving automobile industry presence here. And they are doing quite well.
 
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