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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

I would think anyone promoting the auto worker's union wouldn't mention DETROIT.

Explain why VW didn't want to open up in DETROIT? There certainly is plenty of factory space and unemployed people needing jobs.

Explain why basically NO AUTO COMPANY does ANYTHING in DETROIT anymore if it is so successful for a company to have the UAW.

To understand the long term effects of the UAW all a person has to do it visit DETROIT.

OK, now it's your turn to blame everyone but the union for the collapse of the auto industry in DETROIT.

UAW and Democrat controlled Detroit, Michigan to be specific.

The unions didn't collapse the auto industry in Detroit.
 
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Having been in the auto repair industry for 26 years, I can assure you that VW is not creating a superior product anyway. All the advertising in the world won't change that. If VW as a company was so intent on union participation, why are most of the VWs sold in the US made in Mexico? Check the VIN on your "German" car, the first digit denotes country of origin.
The a Mexico plant is unionized.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Having been in the auto repair industry for 26 years, I can assure you that VW is not creating a superior product anyway. All the advertising in the world won't change that. If VW as a company was so intent on union participation, why are most of the VWs sold in the US made in Mexico? Check the VIN on your "German" car, the first digit denotes country of origin.

Probably because they have a plant in mexico. it is cheaper to ship parts from mexico than over the ocean.
VW is still owned by a BMW and they have high standards in their manufacturing.

I figure IMG will do an internal union separate from the UAW and then they can do their work council that they want. that or try a more local union that isn't attached to one of the big national unions.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Probably because they have a plant in mexico. it is cheaper to ship parts from mexico than over the ocean.
VW is still owned by a BMW and they have high standards in their manufacturing.

I figure IMG will do an internal union separate from the UAW and then they can do their work council that they want. that or try a more local union that isn't attached to one of the big national unions.

VW is not owned by BMW.
 
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The a Mexico plant is unionized.

Glad you pointed that out. It negates the assertion that union built products are superior. They produce the Beetle there for sale here in the states. The biggest POS since the Yugo.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Glad you pointed that out. It negates the assertion that union built products are superior. They produce the Beetle there for sale here in the states. The biggest POS since the Yugo.

Nice off topic comment. I don't care about your opinion about the German Beetle:roll:
 
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Nice off topic comment. I don't care about your opinion about the Mexican Beetle:roll:

Of course not. Why place any value of the opinion on the quality of a car on a guy who is an ASE L1 Master who has been in the business for 26 years? Clearly your partisanship and blind faith make you better qualified.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

The unions didn't collapse the auto industry in Detroit.


Why isn't VW building its new factory in Detroit? Why isn't anyone building factories in Detroit? Or Michigan?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Of course not. Why place any value of the opinion on the quality of a car on a guy who is an ASE L1 Master who has been in the business for 26 years? Clearly your partisanship and blind faith make you better qualified.

The German Beetle has nothing at all to do with anything in this thread!
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Why isn't VW building its new factory in Detroit? Why isn't anyone building factories in Detroit? Or Michigan?

Detroit still has factories. They also still have a problem with a declining population.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Nice opinion piece from Matt Patterson, Senior Fellow, Center for Economic Freedom, at the Competitive Enterprise Institute;

Something to offer beyond a reaffirmation of your prejudices?:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Detroit still has factories. They also still have a problem with a declining population.

Yes, Detroit has a declining population because all those factories closed.:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

VW opened up to the UAW in TN to keep peace with IG Metall in Germany. Word now is that IGM is very angry/disappointed with UAW, and will likely seek another union partner in the US to try again. Alternatively, IGM may try itself to organize VW in the US.:peace

I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

I really don't understand this. The VW plant in Tennessee obeys US laws in their car manufacturing business, not German law, the same way I assume US companies follow the laws of the countries they do business in. The Tennessee workers apparently felt they were being treated fairly by VW here in the US, and they voted no to being represented by a union. If IG Metall decides to try again to unionize US workers here, and they succeed, who gets the union dues? Germany? That's not going to go over well. I understand the problems VW management in Germany face... which seems to be spilling over to US VW management... in trying to keep the German workers' union happy, but they lost this time. VW in Germany decided to move to a right-to-work State for a reason. As someone pointed out earlier, Detroit facilities were, and still are, available. Where is my thinking faulty?

Further, since the VW Passat won the 2012 Motor Trend Car of the year award, according to the Forbes article, quality cars can be built by workers in Tennessee without union representation.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

VW's political position in Germany is critical to the company. They are managing their US business in a way that furthers VW's political interests in Germany. They know the US factory will work just fine regardless.:peace
 
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