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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

if the people in the union don't like the people that the money is going to then why should they have to support it with part of their union dues.

You're fighting a red herring. That already is the case. With that said, that doesn't apply to stockholders in a company. There is your uneven playing field. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander. The only time that rule doesn't apply is when an advantage is wanted.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

You're fighting a red herring. That already is the case. With that said, that doesn't apply to stockholders in a company. There is your uneven playing field. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander. The only time that rule doesn't apply is when an advantage is wanted.

up until recent ruling by the SCOTUS companies couldn't contribute to campaigns.

you don't have to invest in a company that you don't like. you don't have the choice in a union you have to pay the dues. so you are not correct.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!

If you think that's what they do, God love you and I hope you pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a year to a union.

Perhaps, other than getting Obama elected and having many employees lose their employer paid or subsidized health insurance coverage, just what has the hundreds of millions of union dues pumped into the Democrat party and Democrat candidates actually gotten for workers? I have one answer - Obama sold the bond holders and other creditors of Chrysler down the river in order to give controlling interest of Chrysler to the union. But what has that gotten for other workers in the country who's union dues went to support overpaid Chrysler workers who make a **** product, get paid far too much to do it and lots of union workers can't afford to buy the cars they subsidized building?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Name me an organization that doesn't pay the president differently than those who work under him/her. Good luck.

Name me an organization that pays the president out of their own salaries and then we can have a discussion. Good luck.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

then why is it union shops that are having so much trouble compared to others? the amount of money being poured in is nothing compared to the money that unions are spending to try and get people to join.

the fact is people aren't interested in joining a union. the people in TN saw the destruction that the UAW caused on the American car companies and that seemed to be the number 1 reason they voted against it.

others want a work council but don't want the UAW involved.

And that reason is a lie. The head of the company came out in support of the union for a reason. Industry that produces through production has different visions then people that produce things through capital. This company is an international one that knows when international trade deals are being made participation from such organizations as the ILO is necessary for their vision. They made a statement that their other companies have union representation in their council (accept for US). They don't necessarily support race to the bottom policies just because capital does. They see this is not working because unlike capital they have to sell a product on the market. Race to the bottom policies will only harm them in the long run.
 
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Name me an organization that pays the president out of their own salaries and then we can have a discussion. Good luck.

Unions serve a purpose. They get paid through dues to serve this purpose but I'm sure you know this:roll:
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

up until recent ruling by the SCOTUS companies couldn't contribute to campaigns.

you don't have to invest in a company that you don't like. you don't have the choice in a union you have to pay the dues. so you are not correct.

Oh please, people equally don't have to work for a unionized company. You're argument holds no water.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

If you think that's what they do, God love you and I hope you pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a year to a union.

Perhaps, other than getting Obama elected and having many employees lose their employer paid or subsidized health insurance coverage, just what has the hundreds of millions of union dues pumped into the Democrat party and Democrat candidates actually gotten for workers? I have one answer - Obama sold the bond holders and other creditors of Chrysler down the river in order to give controlling interest of Chrysler to the union. But what has that gotten for other workers in the country who's union dues went to support overpaid Chrysler workers who make a **** product, get paid far too much to do it and lots of union workers can't afford to buy the cars they subsidized building?

I don't disagree that just because they have a D in front of their name they will back labor rights. Many don't but some do.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Your information is very dishonest. ... None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year.

You mean that ludin made something up?

I'm shocked!!
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

No hyperbole. Detroit was a source of wealth, jobs a place to stand in awe of industry. Look at it now.

Did "Unions" do that to Detroit? No, they were just the best supporting actors in the destruction of a modern wonder of the 20th Century. The good folks in Tenn. Looked at many things, and you can bet for damned sure the slow death of the big three automakers played into their thinking.

Lol... yeah, the best supporting actors couldn't have possibly been the companies who created energy guzzling vehicles that would eventually have to deal with rising gas prices. ;) It was definitely the unions. ;) Darn them for wanting to keep up with the economy.
 
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it isn't dishonest at all. why is the head of a labor union getting paid more than the people he represents. more so his wages come at the expense of the people that he is suppose to be fighting for.

Why no, there's nothing dishonest about you claiming that the union heads make $300,000+ salaries even though none of them do
 
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But what has that gotten for other workers in the country who's union dues went to support overpaid Chrysler workers who make a **** product, get paid far too much to do it and lots of union workers can't afford to buy the cars they subsidized building?

What?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

if the people in the union don't like the people that the money is going to then why should they have to support it with part of their union dues.

They don't

Your implication that they do is just one the many lies you have told, like how you claimed that the union heads of the UAW are making more than $300,000/yr
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

up until recent ruling by the SCOTUS companies couldn't contribute to campaigns.

And that's another lie.

Corporations have always been allowed to donate to campaigns
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Unions serve a purpose. They get paid through dues to serve this purpose but I'm sure you know this:roll:

I see you didn't answer the question - not surprising since you couldn't.

Unions do serve a purpose - unfortunately, much of what they spend the dues they collect has no relationship whatsoever to that purpose. It's why many people in unions want out and why many people looking for work don't apply at unionized employers.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

I see you didn't answer the question - not surprising since you couldn't.

Unions do serve a purpose - unfortunately, much of what they spend the dues they collect has no relationship whatsoever to that purpose. It's why many people in unions want out and why many people looking for work don't apply at unionized employers.

Like supporting candidates that will support them and their ideas? That is the bottom line for these other politicians like Corker. Unions won't support him so they are a force to be reckoned with. Then you have people like Norquist and the Kochs who don't like unions because their agenda conflicts with their model legislation being pushed through by such organizations as ALEC. Absolute power corrupts!

And really, many people out of work are choosing not to work for a place that is unionized??? Why exactly?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

That's the response most union stewards and those in union leadership positions most love from their membership.

No, it's called slinging stuff against a wall to see what sticks.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

It's not a conspiracy, it is reality. The amount of money being poured in for anti union policies is huge. It's to uneven the playing field.

Except non-union shops have excellent conditions and JOBS. :roll:

Think before you say these things. Its just lefty dogma you are spouting.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Except non-union shops have excellent conditions and JOBS. :roll:

Think before you say these things. Its just lefty dogma you are spouting.

What in earth does that have to do with anti union legislation being pushed through groups like ALEC supported by such conservatives as Norquist and friends?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

VW doesn't seem to care if they organize; why do you? It's mostly just the Tennessee anti labor movement and fox news that is freaking out. Why not just stay out of it and let the parties involved settle it?

They did! Right?
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

They did! Right?

with a little help from their friends in the state government, for sure.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!

They use the dues money to support the Democratic Party. Not every worker views that as being in his or her interest.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Why do you think conservatives like the Kochs and Norquist want to weaken unions and spend tons of money doing it? They don't want labors voice competing against their own when it comes to policy. It's quite simple.

Why do you object to conservatives engaging in political action? If it's OK for your side, why not for the other?
 
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