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Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinner

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roughdraft274 said:
No one is expressing this opinion either. Please stop making stuff up. No one that I am hearing is saying that it's no big deal that people are struggling.
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Then I would have to question whom you are listening to. ;)
 
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Sababa said:
Except the CBO didn't say that there would be the jobs lost as referenced but that people would be free to leave jobs that they are hanging on to because of insurance needs. It is about fewer people working, the jobs would still be there and the Representative makes the point that it means that people who are working just to have insurance can now be a stay at home parent. I thought the right wing wanted that?
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Thank you for stating it accurately. Misinformation said long slow death, especially when some what the misunderstanding to continue.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
We aren't losing 2 million jobs. So until you get the basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding you details that you'll just lie about anyway. Have a wonderful day.
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Correct. 2 million people will chose not to work, allowing businesses to eliminate the positions to fall below the threshold mandating offering insurance. Its a win win.
 
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Samhain said:
Correct. 2 million people will chose not to work, allowing businesses to eliminate the positions to fall below the threshold mandating offering insurance. Its a win win.
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No, that is not what they study said.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
No, that is not what they study said.
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I listen to the testimony and it is what they said. They were asked to clarify, and that is what they said.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I listen to the testimony and it is what they said. They were asked to clarify, and that is what they said.
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The testimony is that 2 million people are dropping out of the work force? Nope sorry don't believe that. Please post it.
 
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Sababa said:
Except the CBO didn't say that there would be the jobs lost as referenced but that people would be free to leave jobs that they are hanging on to because of insurance needs. It is about fewer people working, the jobs would still be there and the Representative makes the point that it means that people who are working just to have insurance can now be a stay at home parent. I thought the right wing wanted that?
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If they leave their job, how are they paying for health care?
 
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jonny5 said:
If they leave their job, how are they paying for health care?
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subsidies.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
The testimony is that 2 million people are dropping out of the work force? Nope sorry don't believe that. Please post it.
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On my way to class, but I'll look for it when I'm back fir you. No problem.
 
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rocket88 said:
Minnesota - the state that brought you Michele Bachmann, Keith Ellison and Al Franken. Then we wonder why people think we're a joke....
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The "lost" ballots, that when found were 100% Franken votes didn't help y'alls reputation much, either.
 
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VanceMack said:
Ultimately, we project that the number of jobs in the economy will be smaller than it would be in the absence of the ACA because some people will choose not to work at all, but CBO did not estimate the size of that change separately from the effect of people choosing to work fewer hours. We wrote in the report: “The reduction in CBO’s projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024 … The decline in full-time-equivalent employment stemming from the ACA will consist of some people not being employed at all and other people working fewer hours
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So you're agreeing with me?
 
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Samhain said:
subsidies.
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That doesnt not sound like a positive outcome then. People get to quit their job because Im paying for their healthcare, effectively.
 
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Tettsuo said:
So you're agreeing with me?
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Did you actually read the whole paragragh? Cuz...it seems like you picked a few words and omitted the rest.

Fewer jobs equal fewer jobs. But as you are so excited about the prospects, I only can hope for your sake that you and everyone you know are of that lucky 2 million. Dare to dream, baby!
 
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roughdraft274 said:
We aren't losing 2 million jobs. So until you get the basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding you details that you'll just lie about anyway. Have a wonderful day.
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Gotcha. First you say "this is what the report says", then, when asked to provide your source of info you say "**** you...I'm not telling you!!!" Hell, I was even asking all nice and respectful like.
 
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rocket88 said:
Rep. Keith Ellison on ObamaCare-Job Losses: More Time for Americans to Cook Dinner at Home - Fox Nation

Just when you thought he wasn't a big enough idiot, Keith Ellison opened his trap on Fox again....
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This is a fine example of difficult and tortured rationalizations the liberals / progressives / Democrats / ObamaCare supporters have to go through each time more of the actual impact of ObamaCare is discovered / revealed.

Spinning so hard they could be called Maytags. It'd be more humorous if it weren't so damming and impactful on the electorate and the economy.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
The testimony is that 2 million people are dropping out of the work force? Nope sorry don't believe that. Please post it.
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But the Congressional Budget Office report does not say the 2 million jobs will be lost. Instead, it anticipates that Americans may voluntarily leave jobs or reduce work hours.
Job leaving is not at all equivalent to lost jobs. Confusion and misplaced controversy warrants a closer look at what this report actually says about labor market participation
and the various additional effects Affordable Care reforms are likely to have on the U.S. economy.

http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork....ber_on_health_reform_and_the_labor_market.pdf

What does the CBO report actually say?

“The reduction in full-time-equivalent employment that CBO expects will arise from the ACA includes some people choosing not to work at all and other people choosing to work fewer hours than they would have in the absence of the law,” the report says.

These “full time equivalent employment” numbers are derived by projecting the number of hours that will not be worked because of how worker behavior is affected by the law, not because employers are eliminating jobs.

Obamacare: 'Job-killer' or freedom from 'job trap'? - CSMonitor.com

CBO Director To Congress—Obamacare Is Not A Job Killer

Critics of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) have interpreted the findings of the report as proof that Obamacare is a job killer.

However, Elmendorf begs to differ and clarifies the confusion of the “misleading takeaway of his agency’s new report.”

“The reason we don’t use the term ‘lost jobs’ is there is a critical difference between people who like to work and can’t find a job—or have a job that’s lost for reasons beyond their control—and people who choose not to word,” Elmendorf said.

Actually, the CBO report clearly explains that the estimated reduction in labor “stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor” and that “there is no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of ACA.”

CBO Director To Congress
 
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VanceMack said:
Gotcha. First you say "this is what the report says", then, when asked to provide your source of info you say "**** you...I'm not telling you!!!" Hell, I was even asking all nice and respectful like.
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You are just lying now. You asked me to provide evidence where the report said it's a good thing we are losing 2 million jobs. That is a claim I never made. Thus why my responses to you are short and swift. No point in wasting much time on a dishonest partisan hack.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
You are just lying now. You asked me to provide evidence where the report said it's a good thing we are losing 2 million jobs. That is a claim I never made. Thus why my responses to you are short and swift. No point in wasting much time on a dishonest partisan hack.
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Look how cute and feisty you are with your angry responses and your personal attacks just flying left and right! :lamo

The suggested defense of Ellisons comments was that this was a GOOD thing. The first person making that comment said pretty much the same thing you did and couldnt defend it. I was merely asking you to do what he couldnt (and you apparently are unwilling to) do. I even did it in a polite conversational manner.

Are you OK? Too much caffeine? Not enough fiber? Its not like you to jump to rabid angry personal attacks.
 
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VanceMack said:
Sure...I'll bite. Can you cite that CBO report that states that those jobs that will be lost are a good thing?
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It won't be job opportunities that are reduced, it will be employees wanting the job that will be reduced. Please deal with facts and not FNC talking points.
 
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j-mac said:
I am increasingly stunned by this type of loony response to what the CBO said...Do libs really think that everyone is so independently wealthy that they can just say 'oh, I am going to stop working now because I can buy health insurance'? What about the other bills of life that make up much more of a household budget....Mortgage/Rent, Electric, Gas, FOOD!!!!?????

You libs really think that most people are only working to get Health Insurance? I don't.
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Actually many people do have the resources to pay for their daily incumbrances, but cannot pay for a large medical issue, hence they need insurance, and since the only insurance that allowed for pre-existing conditions and would not be cancelled upon need, and is affordable WAS employer group insurance. Now that is no longer the case so many may choose to live on less be that a family goes to a single income family or something similar. How stupid do you have to be to not realize the huge cost of uninsured medical treatment and how it often costs people their homes and assets?
 
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Summerwind said:
It won't be job opportunities that are reduced, it will be employees wanting the job that will be reduced. Please deal with facts and not FNC talking points.
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There's no way you can justify laws that encourage people not to work.
 
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Summerwind said:
Actually many people do have the resources to pay for their daily incumbrances, but cannot pay for a large medical issue, hence they need insurance, and since the only insurance that allowed for pre-existing conditions and would not be cancelled upon need, and is affordable WAS employer group insurance. Now that is no longer the case so many may choose to live on less be that a family goes to a single income family or something similar. How stupid do you have to be to not realize the huge cost of uninsured medical treatment and how it often costs people their homes and assets?
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Right, so take a dual income family. Bobby works and gets medical insurance offered via the employer, and Sam works to the to pay the bills, and this employer doesn't offer medical insurance.

Now, thanks to the ACA, Bobby can quit, but Sam doesn't have to pick up insurance at work. With the newly lowered family income, taxpayers will buy their insurance via a full subsidy.

Everybody wins!
 
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Summerwind said:
It won't be job opportunities that are reduced, it will be employees wanting the job that will be reduced. Please deal with facts and not FNC talking points.
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There will be fewer jobs...because fewer employees will be WANTING jobs. In an economy with unemployment in the black community running at around 20%, overall unemployment about the same...and...there will be 2 million fewer jobs but only because less people will need to work. Thats REALLY your position?

Love to see the CBO report that shows that we will see a reduction in jobs of 2 million in a nation with rampant unemployment problems. So far, one person vanished, the other has had several rage episodes...but maybe third time is the charm. Can YOU produce the CBO report and findings that show that 2 million fewer jobs will be a GOOD thing?

"talking points"... :lamo
 
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Summerwind said:
Actually many people do have the resources to pay for their daily incumbrances, but cannot pay for a large medical issue, hence they need insurance, and since the only insurance that allowed for pre-existing conditions and would not be cancelled upon need, and is affordable WAS employer group insurance. Now that is no longer the case so many may choose to live on less be that a family goes to a single income family or something similar. How stupid do you have to be to not realize the huge cost of uninsured medical treatment and how it often costs people their homes and assets?
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Why is that my problem to pay for?
 
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apdst said:
There's no way you can justify laws that encourage people not to work.
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Of course I can because I see the huge benefit that a stay-at-home parent makes over cheap childcare, or a 60-65yo who is laid off and has the money to survive fine and begin retirement except for that health insurance issue. Sorry, I guess YOU are limited in your ability to see the realities of life, I am not.
 
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