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Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

Conservative said:
We are, that deficit of 1.7 trillion dollars generated those numbers which equated to 50 percent of GDP? You don't seem to understand ROI either nor the peace dividend created. Debt generating positive results like that is management. Obama's isn't
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Then you are obviousley a huge fan of this right!? Obama says deficit is falling at the fastest rate in 60 years | PolitiFact

But then again you do realize that raising the debt ceiling doesnt mean that we are gonna add more to the debt or deficit it simply means that it allows the Treasury Department to pay for what Congress has already spent.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Then you are obviousley a huge fan of this right!? Obama says deficit is falling at the fastest rate in 60 years | PolitiFact

But then again you do realize that raising the debt ceiling doesnt mean that we are gonna add more to the debt or deficit it simply means that it allows the Treasury Department to pay for what Congress has already spent.
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Falling from what? The highest deficits ever recorded? Wow, we had a 680 billion dollar deficit and you Obama supporters are taking victory laps. Such low standards you have. How much of that deficit reduction was due to elimination of the Payroll tax holiday or doesn't that count?

What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty and that of the 42 percent that still support Obama? It distorted information like you are posting that gives you zero credibility.
 
Good. Now it won't be a silly issue for the Dems to campaign on in November. The debt ceiling is a dumb issue to fall on your proverbial sword over. Want to cut spending? Then pass the bills that do it and let the debate begin.
 
Conservative said:
Falling from what? The highest deficits ever recorded? Wow, we had a 680 billion dollar deficit and you Obama supporters are taking victory laps. Such low standards you have. How much of that deficit reduction was due to elimination of the Payroll tax holiday or doesn't that count?
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Oh so now its not a good thing the deficit is falling?


What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty and that of the 42 percent that still support Obama? It distorted information like you are posting that gives you zero credibility.
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Im not a liberal.
 
j-mac said:
Please explain...
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There are two y-axis scales, one for each timeframe. The magnitude of the 1928 range, in terms of percentage, was actually twice as big.
 
Erod said:
What? Uh....no.
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Here's so more proof....

Mixture of electoral politics and the divisive party, oh and dont forget that snow storm..
"In a private lunch, Senate Republicans were more concerned about “getting the hell out of town” before an impending snowstorm than digging in on a fight they once relished, according to a GOP senator...... And Boehner even privately told conservatives Tuesday they should be relieved because the concession got the “monkey off our backs,” sources said.... “I’m one who truly believes that if we get this issue behind us, and behave ourselves, we’ll be in the majority here on this side, in the next six months,” said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.)." The GOP's debt ceiling surrender - Manu Raju and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com


Essentially the Republicans had no choice.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Here's so more proof....

Mixture of electoral politics and the divisive party, oh and dont forget that snow storm..
"In a private lunch, Senate Republicans were more concerned about “getting the hell out of town” before an impending snowstorm than digging in on a fight they once relished, according to a GOP senator...... And Boehner even privately told conservatives Tuesday they should be relieved because the concession got the “monkey off our backs,” sources said.... “I’m one who truly believes that if we get this issue behind us, and behave ourselves, we’ll be in the majority here on this side, in the next six months,” said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.)." The GOP's debt ceiling surrender - Manu Raju and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com


Essentially the Republicans had no choice.
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I think you're right on both accounts. The snow storm and a chance on winning the senate in November. The Republicans do have a 50-50 shot at it, but I wouldn't worry. There will always be an Aiken the GOP nominates in a sure win state, a pick up that they will lose. Then there are the tea party challenges to sitting incumbent GOP senators that the tea party will either upset with a candidate that can't win in November or tar the incumbent so bad he can't win. Smooth sailing, my eye.
 
a351 said:
LOL what?
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"What" is that the word you said 351, not surprising when theres a rush to the quick and easy.
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.....you mean you have been confused about the Democrats and their thought concept of Using the Federal Civilian Sector as a means of reliance over the US Military? Now why is that not surprising at all. :lamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Here's so more proof....

Mixture of electoral politics and the divisive party, oh and dont forget that snow storm..
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"In a private lunch, Senate Republicans were more concerned about “getting the hell out of town” before an impending snowstorm than digging in on a fight they once relished, according to a GOP senator...... And Boehner even privately told conservatives Tuesday they should be relieved because the concession got the “monkey off our backs,” sources said.... “I’m one who truly believes that if we get this issue behind us, and behave ourselves, we’ll be in the majority here on this side, in the next six months,” said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.)." The GOP's debt ceiling surrender - Manu Raju and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com


Essentially the Republicans had no choice.
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I think it's more electoral politics than anything else.

... 218 are needed to pass and the clean debt limit passed the House with 221 votes.
To me it's pretty obvious there was arm twisting by Boehner to get enough Pub ayes to complement the Dem ayes to pass the thing while at the same time allowing the Pub nays to be able to say they were nays.

Now that it goes to the Senate all the Senate Pubs can posture & bitch & moan all they want to no effect.

On top of that, it's being said no one in the entire Country has legal standing to challenge Obama's sovereignty in the Courts regarding his decisions re Obamacare implementation .

What a Country ... brings a tear to the eye, dunnit?
 
bubbabgone said:
I think it's more electoral politics than anything else.

... 218 are needed to pass and the clean debt limit passed the House with 221 votes.
To me it's pretty obvious there was arm twisting by Boehner to get enough Pub ayes to complement the Dem ayes to pass the thing while at the same time allowing the Pub nays to be able to say they were nays.

Now that it goes to the Senate all the Senate Pubs can posture & bitch & moan all they want to no effect.

On top of that, it's being said no one in the entire Country has legal standing to challenge Obama's sovereignty in the Courts regarding his decisions re Obamacare implementation .

What a Country ... brings a tear to the eye, dunnit?
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Mornin' Bubba. :2wave: Well.....it worked out. Lucky for House Leadership.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...benefits-veteran-retirees.html#post1062911771
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh so now its not a good thing the deficit is falling?



Im not a liberal.
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There isn't a dimes worth of difference between a socialist and a liberal as both spend someone else's money all in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results.

What a great record Obama has, he ran record deficits of over a trillion dollars a year which has never been generated in history, drops that deficit to 680 billion and takes credit for the fastest reduction in history. Socialists are so easy and have such low standards
 
a351 said:
The graph fraudulently portrays the two trends as similar, despite the fact that the 28-29 increase was a gain of nearly 100 percent whereas the recent gain was less than a third. The two are nowhere near proportional.
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I think you are splitting hairs...I believe that they are speaking of trends, not exact increase, or decrease...But what do I know? :shrug:
 
Conservative said:
There isn't a dimes worth of difference between a socialist and a liberal as both spend someone else's money all in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results.

What a great record Obama has, he ran record deficits of over a trillion dollars a year which has never been generated in history, drops that deficit to 680 billion and takes credit for the fastest reduction in history. Socialists are so easy and have such low standards
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He inherited a deficit of 1.2 trillion and added $200 billion to it.
 
j-mac said:
I think you are splitting hairs...I believe that they are speaking of trends, not exact increase, or decrease...But what do I know? :shrug:
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If you're able to stretch or squish the y-axis by any arbitrary amount, you can probably find a dozen other years that "match."
 
Conservative said:
There isn't a dimes worth of difference between a socialist and a liberal as both spend someone else's money all in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results.

What a great record Obama has, he ran record deficits of over a trillion dollars a year which has never been generated in history, drops that deficit to 680 billion and takes credit for the fastest reduction in history. Socialists are so easy and have such low standards
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It allows them to claim mediocrity as a worthy objective and feel elite and special in doing so. As long as they feel good about themselves nothing else matters.
 
Deuce said:
He inherited a deficit of 1.2 trillion and added $200 billion to it.
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What he inherited was a budget proposal that wasn't passed or signed. Obama signed the budget in March 2009 and only in the liberal world does that make it Bush's budget. Obama and the media brainwashed a lot of people. I expected more from you than to pass on this false information

Budget year of the U.S. runs from October to Sept. Bush left office in January without a budget and the continuing resolutions didn't generate a 1.2 trillion deficit. Obviously the Obama February stimulus for shovel ready jobs didn't create the promised revenue either.
 
Conservative said:
What he inherited was a budget proposal that wasn't passed or signed. Obama signed the budget in March 2009 and only in the liberal world does that make it Bush's budget. Obama and the media brainwashed a lot of people. I expected more from you than to pass on this false information

Budget year of the U.S. runs from October to Sept. Bush left office in January without a budget and the continuing resolutions didn't generate a 1.2 trillion deficit. Obviously the Obama February stimulus for shovel ready jobs didn't create the promised revenue either.
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Ummm...you know the deficit was caused by a drop in revenue rather than a spike in spending, right?
 
Conservative said:
There isn't a dimes worth of difference between a socialist and a liberal as both spend someone else's money all in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results.
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Then I guess many conservatives are liberal. You know the ones that like to spend someone else's money for wars, war on drugs, and social conservatism in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results. Hello my liberal friend! :2wave:
 
Threegoofs said:
Ummm...you know the deficit was caused by a drop in revenue rather than a spike in spending, right?
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The deficits were caused by both a reduction in revenue and increase in expenses. Did those shovels ever arrive for those shovel ready jobs? The last Bush budget proposal was 3 trillion dollars. Obama proposed a 3.77 trillion budget this year. Is that an increase in spending? Let me know the last year Obama spent 3 trillion dollars?

Part of the CBO projected deficit included TARP which was a loan that was mostly repaid. Please show where that credit went against the projected Bush deficits?
 
Conservative said:
The deficits were caused by both a reduction in revenue and increase in expenses. Did those shovels ever arrive for those shovel ready jobs? The last Bush budget proposal was 3 trillion dollars. Obama proposed a 3.77 trillion budget this year. Is that an increase in spending? Let me know the last year Obama spent 3 trillion dollars?

Part of the CBO projected deficit included TARP which was a loan that was mostly repaid. Please show where that credit went against the projected Bush deficits?
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Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
 
Threegoofs said:
Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
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Yep, most congress critters of both parties are quite willing to borrow and spend - most policy disagreements are based on what to spend more on, not whether to spend more.
 
Threegoofs said:
Oh. Is this the part of the fantasy where you imagine US spending actually can decrease year to year?
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Unlike like you who believe in a public sector economy the govt. cannot spend our way out way out of economic problems. this isn't Europe yet so how about addressing the issue of the 17.3 trillion dollar debt and the fact that Obama has added almost 7 trillion to it in less than 6 years?

What I see here is a total lack of understanding of the U.S. Economy and the reality that we are a private sector not public sector economy like Europe. There govt. spending is the major component of GDP, here it is a lesser component of GDP. One of these days you are going to understand or learn the difference
 
TheNextEra said:
Then I guess many conservatives are liberal. You know the ones that like to spend someone else's money for wars, war on drugs, and social conservatism in the name of compassion yet never getting compassionate results. Hello my liberal friend! :2wave:
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The govt. always spends someone else's money unless they print it. The question is what do they spend it on and we have a Constitution that defines that. Suggest you read it especially the Preamble that states PROVIDE for the common defense meaning that fighting wars is everyone's responsibility. You don't like that then change the Constitution. As for the War on Drugs that was done by a Democrat controlled House but then that fact escapes people like you with an agenda.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, most congress critters of both parties are quite willing to borrow and spend - most policy disagreements are based on what to spend more on, not whether to spend more.
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Exactly for it is about keeping power and running for the next election vs. doing their job. Whatever it takes to buy the votes necessary to stay in power. I am sick of both parties but realize that the only way to make change is from within, not on the outside. Build a third party from the ground up, not the top down as that will never happen.
 
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