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Tenn. politicians threaten to kill VW incentives if UAW wins election

No. That is why no tax exempt organization should be allowed to do so - "big business" is otherwise subjected to taxation without representation.

Let the individuals within the organization donate and get represented.
 
Let the individuals within the organization donate and get represented.

What? The individuals do not pay the business's tax bill or their cost of gov't regulation so why would they care? The individual McWorker may not pay any tax (or even get EITC) and thus may love to have McCorporate pay more taxes to keep it that way. Of course, you know this but prefer to pretend that it is "unfair" for those paying most of the taxes to more heavily influence candidates through political spending.
 
Having trouble staying on topic today for some reason? Yet you'd have no trouble with the president using his political power to influence government to go after his offenders but are some how are hurt inside when the party you hate doesn't want to give subsidies to your beloved union? Impressive bit of hypocrisy but I'm not shocked.

Difference here is you have allegations and suspiscions. Your guys came right out and admitted it.

Youre ok if your guys abuse their power.

Got it.
 
There is no abuse of power. There is blatant partisanship which once in a while is necessary. Abuse of power is using legal authority to harrass another; there is no harrassment here. The Republicans were forthright in their presentation - go socialist UAW and no subsidy. Its far different then letting felons transfer firearms to Mexican cartels for the purpose of creating an anti gun agenda item, far different then using LE authority of the regime to snoop on the entire country and focus its arm on political opponents its about handing out a subsidy. I get the difference is tough for you because it hurts so bad - I say so what. Let the people of Tenn decide; maybe they love your socialist utopia so much they'll throw the Republicans out for doing so - or maybe they will thank the Republicans for preventing their state into turning into Michigan light and a total failure.


Difference here is you have allegations and suspiscions. Your guys came right out and admitted it.

Youre ok if your guys abuse their power.

Got it.
 
Really ? If they are UAW don't they just hand their ballots over to the DNC (figuratively) on Election Day? What percent of the UAWs money in politics is non partisan? If you were a Republican in Tenn would you want to subsidize Democratic Party donations by the UAW? Really?

So do you want to go back and revisit the Citizens United decision? It's kind of funny how the right was sooooooo happy about it until they realized it applied to Unions too.

I'm not saying that I don't see why Republicans in Tennessee wouldn't want it. Obviously, Republicans like things that help Republicans, but that's really what they're after. I think you may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
 
There is no abuse of power. There is blatant partisanship which once in a while is necessary. Abuse of power is using legal authority to harrass another; there is no harrassment here. The Republicans were forthright in their presentation - go socialist UAW and no subsidy. Its far different then letting felons transfer firearms to Mexican cartels for the purpose of creating an anti gun agenda item, far different then using LE authority of the regime to snoop on the entire country and focus its arm on political opponents its about handing out a subsidy. I get the difference is tough for you because it hurts so bad - I say so what. Let the people of Tenn decide; maybe they love your socialist utopia so much they'll throw the Republicans out for doing so - or maybe they will thank the Republicans for preventing their state into turning into Michigan light and a total failure.

Sure sounds like harrassment to me. Dont vote in a union or else. And since its a right to work.state, its ONLY about silencing the opposition.

And you assign motives and responsibility that are not factually established.

Clever PR guy that came up with "when no evidence is found, say its because the corrupt president prevented investigation". It is impossible to prove a negative. Run with that.
 
Like the IRS is doing?

Like the IRS is NOT doing, actually.

My point is about those crying foul about that applauding similar behavior when their side does it.

Im one of those "no anonymity for anybody engaging in political intervention activities" folks.

I want to know who politicians are beholden to.
 
The Gop continues to show their true colors. They would rather send thousands of jobs to Mexico because the enemy might get more money then them. The GOP don't care a single bit for the citizens of this country.
 
I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. So, I assume the answer is that if workers unionize they will be ordered to vote Democrat and that's why the Republicans are against the UAW. That seems like a logical answer but....

..... it begs the question, if you work for VW and you are not in a union, do you vote differently? Theoretically, your ballot is secret so you can vote however you like and lie about it if it's uncomfortable. Even if the UAW management votes Democrat, how many management votes could there be compared to the number of line workers? isn't bringing in the jobs the more important issue? It seems like a lot to give up over a few hundred votes.

Union dues go to Democratic candidates and officials. Members don't have a say on that.

They also can have concerns over when a union shop factory would remain competitive and if not then would be a bad investment.
 
The Gop continues to show their true colors. They would rather send thousands of jobs to Mexico because the enemy might get more money then them. The GOP don't care a single bit for the citizens of this country.

:lamo Guess what? There are 49 other states. I guess you forgot that.

But I understand you don't want the jobs to go to Mexico. You want them to go to China. That is what the GM "bailout" loan was for. To shut down American factories and build ones in China. That's the Democratic plan for the auto industry.
 
Difference here is you have allegations and suspiscions. Your guys came right out and admitted it.

Youre ok if your guys abuse their power.

Got it.

What abuse of power? The abuse of not giving unions public money like Democrat politicians do?
 
Why should Tennessee taxpayers be giving anything for this anyway?
 
What abuse of power? The abuse of not giving unions public money like Democrat politicians do?

"Dont form a union or else" sure sounds like politicians applying punishment to those exercising their right to speech and assembly.
 
They have 2 reasons to care.

1. Politically the UAW is a Democratic fundraising organization. So Republicans would be voting to finance a huge fund raising and manpower campaign against them.

2. Whether the company would continue to operate the facility for long would depend upon whether it remained competitive at that location.

Ahh but wait....

I could argue they aren't choosing between their careers or the jobs; for if they go ahead and the UAW takes over they lose their jobs, and like Detroit the UAW will likely ruin the jobs in their state too. Where as if they say no, keep their careers, they can live on without the UAW and perhaps generate other jobs that make sense.

Maybe they don't want UAW in Tennessee politics? Maybe they are trying to avoid this?

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Who the tiny number of VW workers, in TN, vote for is not the issue - it is where their union dues will go (into DNC coffers) that makes a bigger difference.

Union dues go to Democratic candidates and officials. Members don't have a say on that.

They also can have concerns over when a union shop factory would remain competitive and if not then would be a bad investment.

I thank all of you for answering my question. Your responses are similar and do make sense.

Certainly, the unions are all Democrat all Day and now that campaign contributions are more or less unlimited,. uncontrolled and unrevealed, I guess the Unions are flush with cash and thus would have major influence.

Does VW have any say in this matter? Are they inviting the unions? Even if the arrived in TN as a non-union company, couldn't the unions take over anyway even if VW didn't support that? Aren't all businesses vulnerable to union takeover? I'm guessing© VW would rather not be unionized or are they the ones behind the union?

Isn't this going to be problematic with all businesses in any state? Can't any business go union at any time? If so, then what are the Republican politicians going to do? Forbid any new businesses from opening (assuming incentives)?

As for the Detroit analogy, there are many other reasons for Detroit's problems and the unions are only a part of that. Surely there are other unionized businesses in other states that have not been harmed by the unions? AFAIK Las Vegas casinos are all unionized, yet Las Vegas is definitely not a Detroit.

I appreciate that many of you seem to understand that when I pose a question - it is a real question, not a statement couched as a question. Your answers are read because my objective is to understand. So, thank you all.
 
"Dont form a union or else" sure sounds like politicians applying punishment to those exercising their right to speech and assembly.

Isn't "don't form a Union or else" just as much a free speech issue? It might be selfish but don't politicians in power have as much right to be negative as those seeking power?
 
I thank all of you for answering my question. Your responses are similar and do make sense.

Certainly, the unions are all Democrat all Day and now that campaign contributions are more or less unlimited,. uncontrolled and unrevealed, I guess the Unions are flush with cash and thus would have major influence.

Does VW have any say in this matter? Are they inviting the unions? Even if the arrived in TN as a non-union company, couldn't the unions take over anyway even if VW didn't support that? Aren't all businesses vulnerable to union takeover? I'm guessing© VW would rather not be unionized or are they the ones behind the union?

Isn't this going to be problematic with all businesses in any state? Can't any business go union at any time? If so, then what are the Republican politicians going to do? Forbid any new businesses from opening (assuming incentives)?

As for the Detroit analogy, there are many other reasons for Detroit's problems and the unions are only a part of that. Surely there are other unionized businesses in other states that have not been harmed by the unions? AFAIK Las Vegas casinos are all unionized, yet Las Vegas is definitely not a Detroit.

I appreciate that many of you seem to understand that when I pose a question - it is a real question, not a statement couched as a question. Your answers are read because my objective is to understand. So, thank you all.

I would guess that the Tenn. Republican stance is that they're chasing good money after bad if the UAW is threatening to unionize VW in Tennessee since VW would likely move the operation to Mexico anyway from the rising labor costs alone. It becomes a viscous cycle where the UAW demands more from VW, VW threatens to move to Mexica, the UAW pays for State Democrats elections, State Democrats given VW more money to cover the UAW demands, wash, rinse repeat. Eventually you wind up with Detroit where the taxes gathered from the burnt out husk of a city can no longer afford the expensive tastes of union labor.
 
I would guess that the Tenn. Republican stance is that they're chasing good money after bad if the UAW is threatening to unionize VW in Tennessee since VW would likely move the operation to Mexico anyway from the rising labor costs alone. It becomes a viscous cycle where the UAW demands more from VW, VW threatens to move to Mexica, the UAW pays for State Democrats elections, State Democrats given VW more money to cover the UAW demands, wash, rinse repeat. Eventually you wind up with Detroit where the taxes gathered from the burnt out husk of a city can no longer afford the expensive tastes of union labor.

Well thought out response.

Do you know where VW is moving from (assuming the move happens under the circumstances)? I tried Googling but no clear answer. I thought they were already mostly using Mexico but that was long time ago.
 
Like the IRS is NOT doing, actually.

My point is about those crying foul about that applauding similar behavior when their side does it.

Im one of those "no anonymity for anybody engaging in political intervention activities" folks.

I want to know who politicians are beholden to.

What's next? Public ballots?
 
Isn't "don't form a Union or else" just as much a free speech issue? It might be selfish but don't politicians in power have as much right to be negative as those seeking power?

Nope

Using the public's money for political purposes is an abuse of power.
 
Well thought out response.

Do you know where VW is moving from (assuming the move happens under the circumstances)? I tried Googling but no clear answer. I thought they were already mostly using Mexico but that was long time ago.

My understanding is that this isn't a move at all. It is a new plant meant to manufacture a new SUV that will be debuting in 2016. They currently are choosing between Tennessee and Mexico and from what I read into the story, Tennessee is only in the running because of state funding.

My comment on moving is more of a forecast even if Tennessee lands the deal. In the long run the Republicans probably see a unionized plant being shut down and relocated to Mexico eventually, having essentially wasted the state funding.
 
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I would guess that the Tenn. Republican stance is that they're chasing good money after bad if the UAW is threatening to unionize VW in Tennessee

IOW, the Tenn Republicans are saying that VW is not competent to decide for itself whether or not it goes union.

And the idea that the govt should stay out of private businesses goes under the bus. The republicans have no principles besides short-term self-interest
 
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