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Ending Rape On Campus[W 228]

By even entertaining this stupid bitch's claims, you're given women carte blanche to systematically tarnish the reputation of any man of their choosing for any reason they can muster up. He cheated? Cry rape. He dumped me? Cry rape. He hit on my sister? Cry rape. We don't need proof now. We just have to lie to a badge, and suddenly he can get raked over the coals and I can garner sympathy from the dimmer members of the population. A little lip quiver, a fake tear or two, and I can destroy any life for the sheer spite of it.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
That is very common in abusive relationships.



Given how little information we have, I'm sure there's more to be had, I just can't find anything.
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I know you quoted me about the abuse aspect but I don't feel like trying to find it out of 100 pages lol. Not everyones abuse situation is the same, and you can't tell someone they must not have experience with domestic violence b/c of their thought process. Truth is not everyone stays and puts up with that crap. She was in college so this wasn't a live in situation or a marriage. She had no fear for her life as she stated he wasn't physical with her. She just sounds like she was weak minded and didn't have enough confidence (and self respect) to leave.
 
Gipper said:
By even entertaining this stupid bitch's claims, you're given women carte blanche to systematically tarnish the reputation of any man of their choosing for any reason they can muster up. He cheated? Cry rape. He dumped me? Cry rape. He hit on my sister? Cry rape. We don't need proof now. We just have to lie to a badge, and suddenly he can get raked over the coals and I can garner sympathy from the dimmer members of the population. A little lip quiver, a fake tear or two, and I can destroy any life for the sheer spite of it.
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That power or "carte blanche" as you describe it has existed for a long long time already. There doesn't have to be proof, there doesn't have to be anything ---- just her word over his. If it's at work, he will get suspended or fired pending an investigation without pay (unless the guy works for the government). No rape kit no problem. If there's no alibi or the guy lives alone and is a batchelor, the only thing that saves him is the woman saying it was a lie. Otherwise, this could go to the courts, if there's not enough evidence to convict he's still in the papers, he's still booked, his mug shot goes on tons of websites... where's he gonna go to get a new job? Women literally have had the power to ruin a man for any reason by just claiming rape, or sexual assault.

Edit: What that does is hurt actual rape and sexual assault cases.

My brother in law was accused at work when he was having problems with a female worker - she made the claim and he was out for 2 weeks without pay until the police were called in and her story changed a few times - she finally confessed she made it up because she hated my brother in law. She was fired and he came back to work but that was only because the police dug into her story and basically told her if she didn't come clean with the truth, she was going to be charged and that scared the hell out of her.
 
Ockham said:
That power or "carte blanche" as you describe it has existed for a long long time already. There doesn't have to be proof, there doesn't have to be anything ---- just her word over his. If it's at work, he will get suspended or fired pending an investigation without pay (unless the guy works for the government). No rape kit no problem. If there's no alibi or the guy lives alone and is a batchelor, the only thing that saves him is the woman saying it was a lie. Otherwise, this could go to the courts, if there's not enough evidence to convict he's still in the papers, he's still booked, his mug shot goes on tons of websites... where's he gonna go to get a new job? Women literally have had the power to ruin a man for any reason by just claiming rape, or sexual assault.

Edit: What that does is hurt actual rape and sexual assault cases.

My brother in law was accused at work when he was having problems with a female worker - she made the claim and he was out for 2 weeks without pay until the police were called in and her story changed a few times - she finally confessed she made it up because she hated my brother in law. She was fired and he came back to work but that was only because the police dug into her story and basically told her if she didn't come clean with the truth, she was going to be charged and that scared the hell out of her.
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That's what should have been done, other than him getting pay in arrears along with a huge ass-kissing apology (tack that on there with it). I wish she actually had been charged instead of the idle threat of it.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Actually I haven't been able to find this fellow's name, much less any kind of an official report on what happened.
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Well, I'm sure all of his friends and family would be aware, and word travels.
 
stonewall50 said:
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com

Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.

But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
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Well, if they just got rid of all the men they'd get rid of the problem. My understanding is that they are well on their way toward doing just that.
 
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herenow1 said:
I know you quoted me about the abuse aspect but I don't feel like trying to find it out of 100 pages lol. Not everyones abuse situation is the same, and you can't tell someone they must not have experience with domestic violence b/c of their thought process.
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Anyone who assumes that someone who fails to flee from an abusive situation is consenting to abuse lacks the relevant knowledge or experience to understand abusive relationships, period.

herenow1 said:
Truth is not everyone stays and puts up with that crap.
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I never once said everyone does.
 
Phys251 said:
Or of rape. The allegation that women tend to lie about rape is the real lie.

Besides, maybe someone "asked for it" and thus got their home burned down?
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Are you asking or telling? How do you lie about a burning house?

You're claiming that women never cry rape. The 'evidence' here being no more substantial than her word. Not good enough for a court of law.

Holy crap, do you realize what you just said? If one of your friends who has no known history of lying claims to have been the victim of a serious crime, and you have no way of knowing what happened other than his or her description of the situation, would you be more likely to (1) offer comfort and support, or (2) ask tough questions to make sure she or he was really telling the truth? Hint: Only a complete dick would pick #2.
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Only a complete dick would disagree with you. I see.

How about both options? You claimed that people are guilty until proven innocent. Again, the courts disagree with your insanity.
 
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ChrisL said:
She reported it to the campus police a month after the relationship had ended apparently.
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Did she indicate why, after a month, she felt it necessary to do so at that point? This gets curiouser and curiouser, to quote Alice in Wonderland. I also note that she now has speaking engagements to groups of students on that campus about "rape." May I assume that we will now have a flood of "rape" cases hitting the news? :shock:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You're welcome to your completely unsubstantiated opinion.
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The friends and family who know who his ex-girlfriend is and then hear her story? :roll: Oh, they must be just really stupid.
 
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polgara said:
Did she indicate why, after a month, she felt it necessary to do so at that point? This gets curiouser and curiouser, to quote Alice in Wonderland. I also note that she now has speaking engagements to groups of students on that campus about "rape." May I assume that we will now have a flood of "rape" cases hitting the news? :shock:
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She said that she realized she had been being psychologically abused, so she decided to go to the police, or something to that effect. It mentions it in the OP article.
 
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polgara said:
Did she indicate why, after a month, she felt it necessary to do so at that point? This gets curiouser and curiouser, to quote Alice in Wonderland. I also note that she now has speaking engagements to groups of students on that campus about "rape." May I assume that we will now have a flood of "rape" cases hitting the news? :shock:
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Meh, I don't really have an issue with anyone talking about rape awareness and how it is important to report the crime, but that's when you were raped. I still can't see how she claim to have been raped but yet no force, no violence and no threats. It's just odd.
 
ChrisL said:
The friends and family who know who his ex-girlfriend is and then hear her story? :roll: Oh, they must be just really stupid.
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You're welcome to guess and assume based on absolutely nothing, just don't expect me to take you seriously when you're make it all up as you go along.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You're welcome to guess and assume based on absolutely nothing, just don't expect me to take you seriously when you're make it all up as you go along.
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What are you talking about? She mentioned a boyfriend of 3 years in college, and HER picture is posted. Do you think his friends and family have NEVER met his GF of 3 years or know who she is and what she looks like? What is your problem? It's quite obvious his friends and family are going to be aware of this.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You're welcome to guess and assume based on absolutely nothing, just don't expect me to take you seriously when you're make it all up as you go along.
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Oh and BTW, who cares who YOU take seriously or not. You aren't anybody.
 
ChrisL said:
What are you talking about? She mentioned a boyfriend of 3 years in college, and HER picture is posted. Do you think his friends and family have NEVER met his GF of 3 years or know who she is and what she looks like? What is your problem? It's quite obvious his friends and family are going to be aware of this.
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Every word you're saying on this subject is supposition and assumption.

ChrisL said:
Oh and BTW, who cares who YOU take seriously or not. You aren't anybody.
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Obviously you do, since you keep trying to justify what you're doing.
 
Phys251 said:
1. If you really believe that no physical coercion => definitely no rape, then you do not understand what consent is.
2. Did you even read the story? The second paragraph says:

"Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship."​
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More often than not, he persisted and she gave in "just to get it over with," she says.
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Persistence is not rape. You could even argue that it's harassment, but not rape. Rather than contact the police, for three years she 'gave in just to get it over with'. Gtfo, dude. Who do you think you're kidding?

The FBI's definition of rape is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
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And? We have only her word that she didn't consent. For three years, no less. lulz At best, this woman's claims are entirely spurious. We don't put people in prison on someone's word alone. It speaks volumes as to your perspective, that you consider people 'guilty until proven innocent'.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Every word you're saying on this subject is supposition and assumption.



Obviously you do, since you keep trying to justify what you're doing.
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Unfortunately some people need everything explained and spelled out for them because otherwise they can't understand common sense sequences of events and consequences.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Every word you're saying on this subject is supposition and assumption.



Obviously you do, since you keep trying to justify what you're doing.
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Hmmm. If it was a three year relationship and her photo is posted then I'd say the cat is out of the bag.:peace
 
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ChrisL said:
She said that she realized she had been being psychologically abused, so she decided to go to the police, or something to that effect. It mentions it in the OP article.
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I suppose it's possible, but it does seem odd she didn't realize it at any time in the previous three years of the liaison. And from what I understand, she only reported it to campus officials. :confused: As I stated, there is apparently more to this story than we are being told, IMO.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Don't talk about yourself that way, it's not nice.
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I was talking about you! :lol: Of course his family and friends are going to know about her accusations towards him. Don't you think it's silly to say otherwise?
 
Jack Hays said:
Hmmm. If it was a three year relationship and her photo is posted then I'd say the cat is out of the bag.:peace
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We have no idea what this fellow's name is, what he looks like, any of his personal details, or who knows what when, and I'm fine with that. Anything else aid on the subject has no basis in fact.
 
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