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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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Unless they landed in New York City.

If they landed in San Francisco, the city would probably call for a national holiday as soon as they surrendered and lowered the Stars and Stripes.
Possibly, at least San Fran the way that city votes and seems to think. The rest of the nation though wouldn't stand for it, we may hate each other's positions at times but it's like a family, we keep our own in check but will spill blood to defend them when it counts.
 
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It's pretty simple, they are testing the depth of our president's weakness, but even he and the morons he appointed would have to deal with the Iranians if they attempt to breach our waters, our own people will deal with them if they tried to land on our shores and then the politicians responsible would be held accountable for any losses, and they know it.


It doesn't help that Karzai has more than likely given the Iranians a list of our How to's. As well as our locations out. Then they can see how Karzai has played Obama over signing a piece of paper in order to keep us around and receive more of our money and aid. Don't look good when we say you had better sign or we pull out. All of it. Then repeat that now for a 4th time.

As in cmon now we aren't kidding we will take our ball and go home. While Karzai laughs and plays pimp.
 
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They are staring Obama down....Why can't you see that? They have no fear of the man

If Obama is flinching, why the hell are the Iranian at the negotiation table for the first time ever? Iran is just trying to look tough for the cameras, so the leaders can keep support. Obama knows that, and the Iranians know that we could destroy their "fleet" with extreme ease. They aren't stupid. Its just a political move.
 
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It doesn't help that Karzai has more than likely given the Iranians a list of our How to's. As well as our locations out. Then they can see how Karzai has played Obama over signing a piece of paper in order to keep us around and receive more of our money and aid. Don't look good when we say you had better sign or we pull out. All of it. Then repeat that now for a 4th time.

As in cmon now we aren't kidding we will take our ball and go home. While Karzai laughs and plays pimp.
So many mistakes in that region from the last two administrations. Putting Afghanistan under NATO command was a stupid idea(Bush), handling of it post Bush is all Obama though and it's only gotten worse. Then Iraq..............General Patreus had the right strategy in gaining the trust of the locals, then when he moves on we scrap it and do what on the surface appears to be nothing more than damage control. I don't get it.
 
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It doesn't help that Karzai has more than likely given the Iranians a list of our How to's. As well as our locations out. Then they can see how Karzai has played Obama over signing a piece of paper in order to keep us around and receive more of our money and aid. Don't look good when we say you had better sign or we pull out. All of it. Then repeat that now for a 4th time.

As in cmon now we aren't kidding we will take our ball and go home. While Karzai laughs and plays pimp.

I don't think we should stay past 2014 anyways, so screw Karzai. We can watch as he is removed from power a few years after we leave. By staying, we are just delaying the unavoidable.
 
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If Obama is flinching, why the hell are the Iranian at the negotiation table for the first time ever? Iran is just trying to look tough for the cameras, so the leaders can keep support. Obama knows that, and the Iranians know that we could destroy their "fleet" with extreme ease. They aren't stupid. Its just a political move.

First time ever? Your kidding.....Right?
 
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News from The Associated Press



Does anyone else think this is not a great idea? Sort of like waving red meat in front of a pit-bull.

Reminds me of the undeclared low scale naval war we had with Libya back in the 80's.

They lost 4 aircraft and several small patrol craft.

We lost the missiles we used on those same targets. As I recall the aircraft were shot down with sidewinders and the boats with harpoon missiles, both of which are relatively cheap compared to other missiles. The whole thing provided great fodder for comedians here in the states such as David Letterman and his top ten list.

Obviously we can keep careful tabs on these Iranian " ships " with no problem they are no threat but do not ignore them.

The bigger question is what does this say about their government. The act seems irrational. This would imply their government is as well. I suppose it is possible that they have some point they are trying to make or some plan which this act is a diversion for but none of that seems likely.
 
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If the Navy were concerned about it, they would send a flotilla out to escort them.

The Navy can't just deploy without orders.
 
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The strength that President Bush showed...Why can't the left see that?

All Bush did is embroil us in two wars that we would have to withdraw from eventually. We cant be the worlds babysitter, and now that Obama is doing the withdrawing part, they are going right back to what they were doing. Its a viscous cycle that cant be stopped.
 
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I don't think we should stay past 2014 anyways, so screw Karzai. We can watch as he is removed from power a few years after we leave. By staying, we are just delaying the unavoidable.

Oh, it won't take a few years. Karzai will have to bail asap once we pull out.....as the Taliban is going to kill him. Just like they did his Drug-lord brother. A fitting end to the lil backstabbing puke.

Would hope they propagandize his ass in front of the ALL seeing eye.....as they Lop that Pimps head Right off his shoulders.
 
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Reminds me of the undeclared low scale naval war we had with Libya back in the 80's.

They lost 4 aircraft and several small patrol craft.

We lost the missiles we used on those same targets. As I recall the aircraft were shot down with sidewinders and the boats with harpoon missiles, both of which are relatively cheap compared to other missiles. The whole thing provided great fodder for comedians here in the states such as David Letterman and his top ten list.

Obviously we can keep careful tabs on these Iranian " ships " with no problem they are no threat but do not ignore them.

The bigger question is what does this say about their government. The act seems irrational. This would imply their government is as well. I suppose it is possible that they have some point they are trying to make or some plan which this act is a diversion for but none of that seems likely.

Its seems perfectly rational to me. A majority of the Iranian populace dislikes America, so give the demographic something to be proud about while negotiations continue. Its a political move with a political motive.
 
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If Obama is flinching, why the hell are the Iranian at the negotiation table for the first time ever? Iran is just trying to look tough for the cameras, so the leaders can keep support. Obama knows that, and the Iranians know that we could destroy their "fleet" with extreme ease. They aren't stupid. Its just a political move.

It is just a political move-those talks are a stall tactic while they finish their nukes. I really wish the left would be honest and admit they dont care if Iran gets nukes.
 
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Oh, it won't take a few years. Karzai will have to bail asap once we pull out.....as the Taliban is going to kill him. Just like they did his Drug-lord brother. A fitting end to the lil backstabbing puke.

Would hope they propagandize his ass in front of the ALL seeing eye.....as they Lop that Pimps head Right off his shoulders.

I would beg to differ. We give him a lot of aid, he could use his American toys to hold them off for some time. But a short amount of time it will be. It will be like what is going on in Iraq now.
 
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The strength that President Bush showed...Why can't the left see that?

Because Libbos hate America and think we need to punished. They are willing to absorb a few thousand American casualties in the interest of fairness.
 
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Possibly, at least San Fran the way that city votes and seems to think. The rest of the nation though wouldn't stand for it, we may hate each other's positions at times but it's like a family, we keep our own in check but will spill blood to defend them when it counts.

The citizens of New York City are just so underarmed. They would have to rely on the citizens across the river in Jersey.

Even the gang bangers in Harlem and in the Bronx still have one foot in the zip-gun era. :lol:
 
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Its seems perfectly rational to me. A majority of the Iranian populace dislikes America, so give the demographic something to be proud about while negotiations continue. Its a political move with a political motive.

Sounds pretty weak to me.

Granted the iranian ships are unlikely to do anything. As others have pointed out they may even end up needing assistance.
 
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It is just a political move-those talks are a stall tactic while they finish their nukes. I really wish the left would be honest and admit they dont care if Iran gets nukes.

They know that if they moved further on the nukes we would clamp down with sanctions even worse than before. Again, they aren't stupid. I really wish the right would stop saying baseless stuff about the left, and keep to the rational discussion. :cool:
 
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All Bush did is embroil us in two wars that we would have to withdraw from eventually. We cant be the worlds babysitter, and now that Obama is doing the withdrawing part, they are going right back to what they were doing. Its a viscous cycle that cant be stopped.

AQ attacked us.
 
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I would beg to differ. We give him a lot of aid, he could use his American toys to hold them off for some time. But a short amount of time it will be. It will be like what is going on in Iraq now.


You do know his brother was Also the head of his Security.....and ever more hardened than what Karzai could never be. Seems they snuffed him in no time at all and that was with their alleged best of the best. Also it was done in under our noses, as well as the Brits, and with all that technology.

The Taliban don't care if they use a bow and arrow, a dart gun, or a spear.....when successful just think how that perception plays out.
 
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They know that if they moved further on the nukes we would clamp down with sanctions even worse than before. Again, they aren't stupid. I really wish the right would stop saying baseless stuff about the left, and keep to the rational discussion. :cool:

Iran isn't going to stop build nukes. I wish the Left would join the rest of us here in the real world.
 
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AQ attacked us.

I think the AQ war was necessary, but we have to withdraw eventually, we cant just stay there forever. We should have never invaded Iraq.
 
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