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Iran sending warships close to US borders[W:623]

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It's been postured that if Iran tries something it would be an air detonated nuke to basically hit the grids with an EMP burst and disable the grid. That is why I take a couple of ships seriously, ultimately I think the U.S. population would send their entire military to Allah for judgement, but there would still be a lot of work done to fix the chaotic mess something like that would create.

Precisely why Iran isn't going to start anything. The key thing to remember with dictators is that they wish to maintain their power.

Nobody on the planet is delusional enough to think they can do that with a United States of America that is really, really pissed off.
 
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The fleet, consisting of a destroyer and a helicopter-carrying supply ship, began its voyage last month from the southern Iranian port city of Bandar Abbas. The ships, carrying some 30 navy academy cadets for training along with their regular crews, are on a three-month mission.

Oh, noes! A destroyer and a helicopter carrier. What on earth will you do now! Perhaps you should ask Putins advice, afterall he seems to be the latest darling of the RW nutjobs.

The Islamic Republic considers the move as a response to U.S. naval deployments near its own coastlines. The U.S. Navy's 5th fleet is based in nearby Bahrain.

So it's ok for the US to deploy near their coastlines but the minute they return the favour and come close to U.S. maritime borders for the first time it's time for the hypocritic whining along with calls to kill em all. There's something very wrong with that type of "logic"....
 
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Precisely why Iran isn't going to start anything. The key thing to remember with dictators is that they wish to maintain their power.

Nobody on the planet is delusional enough to think they can do that with a United States of America that is really, really pissed off.
I agree, but with wild cards you just never know. I don't advocate striking them first, and if they did get into our waters they should be either redirected or detained. In international waters though they do have the right to be there, should they show any signs of an attack, well, that's on them an may the deity(or not) of your choice have mercy on their souls.
 
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I have to say that I found the responses from a certain trio of posters in this thread to be nothing short of completely unsurprising. I'll leave it to your imaginations to figure out to whom I am referring.
 
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If you want to make them not get in the Atlantic again this is the way to do it.
Set a cruise ship on an intercept course. Fill it with already dead people and some explosives. When it is within the range of their weapons, blow it up. Then make claims they did it. Don't have to kill them unless you are vindictive. You just established that a carrier battle group can act as an escort every time they leave home water.
 
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You Liberals really crack me up...If they come close to the U.S. take their ass out........Don't worry though Obama will kiss their ass...

Close doesn't cut it. They can go wherever they like in International Waters.

Surely as a past member of the US Navy you would already know that.
 
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You Liberals really crack me up...If they come close to the U.S. take their ass out........Don't worry though Obama will kiss their ass...

Is that the philosophy you apply in your personal life? If so, how many battery convictions do you have?
 
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I agree, but with wild cards you just never know. I don't advocate striking them first, and if they did get into our waters they should be either redirected or detained. In international waters though they do have the right to be there, should they show any signs of an attack, well, that's on them an may the deity(or not) of your choice have mercy on their souls.

Perhaps its a stunt while "disarmament" talks (stall tactics while they finish up their nukes) goes down.
 
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Sailing your navy in international waters isn't shaking your fist in anyone's face. Or do you think that's what it is when the US navy does that?

Yes, when the US Navy shows up within 20 miles of your shoreline with nuclear subs that can launch a hell-storm of firepower, it's definitely fist shaking. Or maybe the bird finger with our tongue stuck out.

Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.

The Israeli's have a pretty good Spec Ops and they'd get their assholes shotup in a firefight with our Delta Force.

These dumb idiots must think that if is only fair to do something as meaningless as this. If the US can hold navy maneuvers in the Persian Gulf the Iranians must feel it is fair to sail close to US waters as a "retaliation". Silly and pathetic but then again, we are talking about the Iranian government.

I don't know if they're being delusional again or playing decoy the duck. Watch one hand, while we slip the other up your old ladies skirt.
Those jerkwads who shot up the power grid in CA, could've been Iranian backed.
 
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Perhaps its a stunt while "disarmament" talks (stall tactics while they finish up their nukes) goes down.
Yeah, I thought of that too. It's hard to know with countries like Iran and N. Korea what exactly in the hell their end game is.
 
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Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.



Heya AC :2wave: .....while that may be true. None has ever seen a US or Americans fight without any moral constraint. Or decide to get rid of a problem permanently where it can never create any other chaos ever again. Nor just take their countries land like taking candy from a baby, where there is not much they can do about it.....except snivel whine and cry or become part of the annuals of history.
 
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It's been postured that if Iran tries something it would be an air detonated nuke to basically hit the grids with an EMP burst and disable the grid. That is why I take a couple of ships seriously, ultimately I think the U.S. population would send their entire military to Allah for judgement, but there would still be a lot of work done to fix the chaotic mess something like that would create.

Hey, look what some those ****s did in NYC. I just don't think they'd do something like that, unless provoked right now. Their rulers would be pushed out pretty quick if we rained a world of hurt on them, because of rash actions. Now if they know something we don't about an impending Israeli strike on their nuke facilities, it may be a plan. Right now it simply appears like an impotent weenie waving.
 
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Hey, look what some those ****s did in NYC. I just don't think they'd do something like that, unless provoked right now. Their rulers would be pushed out pretty quick if we rained a world of hurt on them, because of rash actions. Now if they know something we don't about an impending Israeli strike on their nuke facilities it may be a plan. Right now it simply appears like an impotent weenie waving.
Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.
 
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Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.

If we'd visibly backed the opposition, it would've hurt them rather than helped them.
 
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If we'd visibly backed the opposition, it would've hurt them rather than helped them.
I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.
 
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Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.


We installed the Shah and let him run all over people, then they got a stink in their mouth about it. It was the opposite of taking Saddam out, whom we should've let stay and keep those fanatics inline. After seeing the Greenzone, which was fictional, it still enlightened people about how some dorky bureaucrats, playing big daddy idealist, screwed up. They tore that place apart and let every banana within 1000miles come in and fight.

See, what you do is get the IOC to promise them the Olympics for one of their cities 20 years from now, so they'll kiss your tushy.
 
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We installed the Shah and let him run all over people, then they got a stink in their mouth about it. It was the opposite of taking Saddam out, whom we should've let stay and keep those fanatics inline. After seeing the Greenzone, which was fictional, it still enlightened people about how some dorky bureaucrats, playing big daddy idealist, screwed up. They tore that place apart and let every banana within 1000miles come in and fight.

See, what you do is get the IOC to promise them the Olympics for one of their cities 20 years from now, so they'll kiss your tushy.
I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
 
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I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.

I completely agree that by befriending the right people, especially the upcoming leadership, we ingratiate ourselves properly. Instead we use the CIA to create wars between Iraq and Iran, to keep them neutralized. Certain groups start brainwashing their kids at early ages with their sectarian nonsense. And our soldiers over there calling them Hajji's doesn't help.
 
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I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.

Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
 
Re: Iran sending warships close to US borders

I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.

That's a nice idea, but vetted how? I'm pretty sure we lack the human intelligence assets in that part of the world to vet so much as a sandwich.
 
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Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
There definitely wasn't a good option, on that we agree. I can make one argument for even a democracy that isn't pro west and that is that they would have a better chance of diplomacy rather than trying to militarize against the west and the middle east, I think that popular vote would be against supporting policies that would be destructive to the country, such as pissing off superpowers, or highly militarized neighbors.
 
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That's a nice idea, but vetted how? I'm pretty sure we lack the human intelligence assets in that part of the world to vet so much as a sandwich.
That is the million dollar question. It's possible, but the first step would be finding friendlies in the area, the second would be establishing trust, and the third would be acting on that information. Hey, I never said it would be easy.
 
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No, weak leadership would be lashing out at every little bit of bull**** like this puny Iranian boat. You would have us acting like that asshole in the bar who is so insecure that he absolutely must make sure everyone in the building knows hes tough, damnit!

You people would have our country acting like pathetic children. MOM! Jimmy is on MY side of the car! WAAAAAAHH!

Seriously, why do you give a **** about this boat? Are you scared? Because I'm not. Why should our country have any reaction to something so trivial? We have better things to do. Let pissants respond to pissants. We're America. We can squish them like insects if we want to. We know it, they know it. But we don't squish them, because it's not worth the effort to do so.

Worrying about perceived slights is what losers do.



Yeah weak leadership is funny like that.....one minute someone is saying hey we gonna put sanctions on you and this time we really really mean it. Then see their country is about to implode and that our friends who have billions invested in their country and need that money to help with their economies.....we then say okay you have suffered enough. We will easy off the sanctions.....but this time you will have to show us proof you aren't making any Bombs now. Give us a few more agreements and ta-da here ya go.....here is some of ya money back.

Open the funds drawer.....first thing the Iranians do is take out some money to send a couple of ships for some training halfway across the world, while coping a scenic tour of the US. Make sure things look like they do on TV and all.

But its all good like.....since they have assured us they don't really want to have any problems with us.
 
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