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Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

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'Some undiplomatic language by the top U.S. diplomat for Europe has rattled relations with the European Union and added more tension to the East-West strains over Ukraine’s political crisis.

“F--k the EU,” Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in a private phone call expressing frustration with European Union efforts to resolve Ukraine’s political turmoil.

On the eve of Russia’s showcase Olympics in Sochi, the U.S. suggested today that Moscow’s intelligence apparatus was responsible for the leaked tape of the intercepted phone call, apparently made last month, between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki blamed Russian “tradecraft” -- a word used to describe espionage activity -- after an unknown individual posted the audio recording on Google Inc.’s (GOOG) YouTube. The clip, subtitled in Russian rather than Ukrainian and accompanied by photographs and images of people mentioned in the call, was reported earlier today by the Kyiv Post earlier today as Nuland arrived for talks in the Ukrainian capital.

While saying the U.S. doesn’t know who recorded the call or posted it, Psaki said an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was the first to draw attention to it in a posting on Twitter Inc. (TWTR) The aide, Dmitry Loskutov, tweeted in English: “Sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU.”

“We think this is a new low in Russian tradecraft, in terms of publicizing, posting,” Psaki told reporters today in Washington.

U.S. Apology

Psaki didn’t dispute the authenticity of the recording and said Nuland has called EU officials to apologize. Psaki joked that those who know her aren’t surprised by her language in private conversations..'


Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine - Bloomberg
 
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'Some undiplomatic language by the top U.S. diplomat for Europe has rattled relations with the European Union and added more tension to the East-West strains over Ukraine’s political crisis.

“F--k the EU,” Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in a private phone call expressing frustration with European Union efforts to resolve Ukraine’s political turmoil.

On the eve of Russia’s showcase Olympics in Sochi, the U.S. suggested today that Moscow’s intelligence apparatus was responsible for the leaked tape of the intercepted phone call, apparently made last month, between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki blamed Russian “tradecraft” -- a word used to describe espionage activity -- after an unknown individual posted the audio recording on Google Inc.’s (GOOG) YouTube. The clip, subtitled in Russian rather than Ukrainian and accompanied by photographs and images of people mentioned in the call, was reported earlier today by the Kyiv Post.'


Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine - Bloomberg

Not sure how this shows much of a "US role.":peace
 
I say **** the EU all the time.
 
I listened to the alleged recording and it sounded like nothing more than a frustrated official expressing that frustration regarding inaction by the EU in the Ukrainian crisis.

Based on what I've read about the entire Ukraine situation, I would have to agree with her comments.
 
'Some undiplomatic language by the top U.S. diplomat for Europe has rattled relations with the European Union and added more tension to the East-West strains over Ukraine’s political crisis.

“F--k the EU,” Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in a private phone call expressing frustration with European Union efforts to resolve Ukraine’s political turmoil.

On the eve of Russia’s showcase Olympics in Sochi, the U.S. suggested today that Moscow’s intelligence apparatus was responsible for the leaked tape of the intercepted phone call, apparently made last month, between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki blamed Russian “tradecraft” -- a word used to describe espionage activity -- after an unknown individual posted the audio recording on Google Inc.’s (GOOG) YouTube. The clip, subtitled in Russian rather than Ukrainian and accompanied by photographs and images of people mentioned in the call, was reported earlier today by the Kyiv Post earlier today as Nuland arrived for talks in the Ukrainian capital.

While saying the U.S. doesn’t know who recorded the call or posted it, Psaki said an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was the first to draw attention to it in a posting on Twitter Inc. (TWTR) The aide, Dmitry Loskutov, tweeted in English: “Sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU.”

“We think this is a new low in Russian tradecraft, in terms of publicizing, posting,” Psaki told reporters today in Washington.

U.S. Apology

Psaki didn’t dispute the authenticity of the recording and said Nuland has called EU officials to apologize. Psaki joked that those who know her aren’t surprised by her language in private conversations..'


Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine - Bloomberg

Anything that has to do with the rogue activity of our government no longer surprises me...in fact, take this and multiply it by 10 and that is closer to the truth in its involvement.
 

Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.
 
Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.

That conversation does not prove there is no interference.

If anything, it suggests that there is:

'The voice allegedly of Nuland adds that [Ukrainian opposition leader Vitali] Klitschko should not be given a role in government.

“I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea,” she says.

“Yeah… I guess… in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff,” Pyatt says.
...
Before the call ends, Nuland tells Pyatt she has “one more wrinkle” for him.

Commenting on European pressure put on Yanukovych – or lack thereof – she explains that she has spoken to the United Nations and has gotten an official there who said that Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, agreed to send someone to Ukraine to “help glue this thing and to have the UN glue it.”

She adds: “And you know, **** the EU.”

“Exactly,” Pyatt replies. “And I think we got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo it. Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'


Those two highlighted parts denote direct/indirect influence/action...not non-interference.


So when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together,'; that indicates to you that this person intends 'no interference'?

Yes or no, please?
 
That conversation does not prove there is no interference.

If anything, it suggests that there is:

'The voice allegedly of Nuland adds that [Ukrainian opposition leader Vitali] Klitschko should not be given a role in government.

“I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea,” she says.

“Yeah… I guess… in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff,” Pyatt says.
...
Before the call ends, Nuland tells Pyatt she has “one more wrinkle” for him.

Commenting on European pressure put on Yanukovych – or lack thereof – she explains that she has spoken to the United Nations and has gotten an official there who said that Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, agreed to send someone to Ukraine to “help glue this thing and to have the UN glue it.”

She adds: “And you know, **** the EU.”

“Exactly,” Pyatt replies. “And I think we got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo it. Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'


Those two highlighted parts denote direct/indirect influence/action...not non-interference.


So when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together,'; that indicates to you that this person intends 'no interference'?

Yes or no, please?

No. It's just normal diplomatic maneuvering. Perfectly in bounds.
 
No. It's just normal diplomatic maneuvering. Perfectly in bounds.

So, when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together' - that indicates the person intends ZERO interference..in no way, shape or form?

Noted.

Good day.
 
So, when someone says 'And I think we got to do something to make it stick together' - that indicates the person intends ZERO interference..in no way, shape or form?

Noted.

Good day.

that was a reference to diplomatic activity via the UN. It's what diplomats do.:peace
 
that was a reference to diplomatic activity via the UN. It's what diplomats do.:peace

No, that was after the reference to the U.N...you cannot be sure what they are speaking of.

Also this:

' Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'

He did not say 'let me get the U.N. to work on...'' He said, 'let ME work on...'.


And you think someone saying 'let me work on Kitschko' is an example of 'no interference'?

I give up.

I am not saying to what level America is butting in.

But to say there is 'no interference' is ridiculously naive, imo.

But go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

Good day.
 
No, that was after the reference to the U.N...you cannot be sure what they are speaking of.

Also this:

' Let me work on Klitschko, and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing,’’ he adds.'

He did not say 'let me get the U.N. to work on...'' He said, 'let ME work on...'.


And you think someone saying 'let me work on Kitschko' is an example of 'no interference'?

I give up.

I am not saying to what level America is butting in.

But to say there is 'no interference' is ridiculously naive, imo.

But go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

Good day.

It would be the Ambassador's job to "work on" Klitschko and anybody else who matters. That's why the US (and everybody else) has an Ambassador.:peace
 
Because there is plainly no interference in Ukrainian affairs. Just normal discussion between a senior Washington official and the US Ambassador, whose job it is to be in touch with all sides in host country politics.

Horse puckey. CIA NGOs are behind the insurrection in the Ukraine. Trying to get the Ukraine under the Corporate umbrella. Put a few NATO bases next door to Russia. Business as usual.
 
Horse puckey. CIA NGOs are behind the insurrection in the Ukraine. Trying to get the Ukraine under the Corporate umbrella. Put a few NATO bases next door to Russia. Business as usual.

Tin foil hat nonsense.:peace
 
It would be the Ambassador's job to "work on" Klitschko and anybody else who matters. That's why the US (and everybody else) has an Ambassador.:peace

Whatever pal.
 
Eight tours of duty in US embassies abroad have given me a certain familiarity with the work.:peace

Wow - and I have 15...I guess that means I know better then you.

BTW - I am also the Postmaster General.


Even if what you said was true - all that would mean is a) you are clearly biased; and b) it explains your naivety on this.
 
Tin foil hat nonsense.:peace

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US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. ” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”

"What we are witnessing here is the real, ugly face of American government and its uncouth contempt for international law and norms.

Next up is Wendy Sherman, the Under Secretary for Political Affairs, who is also Washington's top negotiator in the P5+1 nuclear talks with Iran. Sherman is another flinty-eyed female specimen of the American political class, who, like Nuland, seems to have a block of ice for a heart and a frozen Popsicle for a brain.

Again, like Nuland, Sherman aims to excel in her political career by sounding even more macho, morose and moronic than her male American peers.

Last week, Sherman was giving testimony before the US Senate foreign affairs committee on the upcoming negotiations with Iran over the interim nuclear agreement. The panel was chaired by the warmongering Democrat Senator Robert Menendez, who wants to immediately ramp up more sanctions on Iran, as well as back the Israeli regime in any preemptive military strike on the Islamic Republic.

Sherman's performance was a craven display of someone who has been brainwashed to mouth a mantra of falsehoods with no apparent ability to think for herself. It's scary that such people comprise the government of the most nuclear-armed-and-dangerous state in the world."
 
Wow - and I have 15...I guess that means I know better then you.

BTW - I am also the Postmaster General.


Even if what you said was true - all that would mean is a) you are clearly biased; and b) it explains your naivety on this.

I assure you it's true, and naïveté is the last thing to be derived from that experience.:peace
 
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