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Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

I assure you it's true, and naïveté is the last thing to be derived from that experience.:peace

I assure you your words mean almost nothing to me on this.

Oh, and btw - I don't believe you.

But I hope it is true because - like I said - it would explain your position.
 
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US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. ” Nuland said the United States will continue to “promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”

"What we are witnessing here is the real, ugly face of American government and its uncouth contempt for international law and norms.

Next up is Wendy Sherman, the Under Secretary for Political Affairs, who is also Washington's top negotiator in the P5+1 nuclear talks with Iran. Sherman is another flinty-eyed female specimen of the American political class, who, like Nuland, seems to have a block of ice for a heart and a frozen Popsicle for a brain.

Again, like Nuland, Sherman aims to excel in her political career by sounding even more macho, morose and moronic than her male American peers.

Last week, Sherman was giving testimony before the US Senate foreign affairs committee on the upcoming negotiations with Iran over the interim nuclear agreement. The panel was chaired by the warmongering Democrat Senator Robert Menendez, who wants to immediately ramp up more sanctions on Iran, as well as back the Israeli regime in any preemptive military strike on the Islamic Republic.

Sherman's performance was a craven display of someone who has been brainwashed to mouth a mantra of falsehoods with no apparent ability to think for herself. It's scary that such people comprise the government of the most nuclear-armed-and-dangerous state in the world."

Yup. Tin foil hat nonsense. I'm curious where you got the $5B figure.:peace
 
I assure you your words mean almost nothing to me on this.

Oh, and btw - I don't believe you.

But I hope it is true because - like I said - it would explain your position.

If you have access to LinkedIn then I'd be happy to PM my name to you so you can look me up.
 
If you have access to LinkedIn then I'd be happy to PM my name to you so you can look me up.

Still probably wouldn't believe you...or care that much.

Anyway...about those links to 'proof' that what DaveFagan typed was 'nonsense'

If you have all the experience you say that you have...it should be simple to direct us to the evidence that (according to you) backs up this claim of yours.
 
Still probably wouldn't believe you...or care that much.

Anyway...about those links to 'proof' that what DaveFagan typed was 'nonsense'

If you have all the experience you say that you have...it should be simple to direct us to the evidence that (according to you) backs up this claim of yours.

His post is a combination of invective and fiction. There is nothing in the real world that bears on it.:peace

Note, btw, there is no link in his post.
 
His post is a combination of invective and fiction. There is nothing in the real world that bears on it.:peace

Note, btw, there is no link in his post.

The bullcrap only works in diplomatic circles, this is the real world. Have some.

Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, "Democratic Institutions"

Regime Change in Kiev

Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, "Democratic Institutions"
 
His post is a combination of invective and fiction. There is nothing in the real world that bears on it.:peace

So, your answer is 'you have provided no links to disprove what he said'.

Noted.

You words will thus be judged accordingly.


Again, I am not saying to what extent America is involved.

But I am not going to assume America is not involved at all without proof...especially after these bonehead statements from government officials.

To do otherwise is 'selling swamp land in florida' territory, imo.
 
So, your answer is 'you have provided no links to disprove what he said'.

Noted.

You words will thus be judged accordingly.

As there was no link in the original post, your position seems inconsistent.:peace
 
As there was no link in the original post, your position seems inconsistent.:peace

You honestly cannot remember what you posted...okaaaaaaay.

Here is the link:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-shows-u-s-role-ukraine-2.html#post1062901097


I have better things to do then play this silly game.

Let me know when you are prepared to post links to unbiased evidence that backs up your statement in the linked post.

Until then, we are done on this for now.

Adios.
 
You honestly cannot remember what you posted...okaaaaaaay.

Here is the link:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-shows-u-s-role-ukraine-2.html#post1062901097


I have better things to do then play this silly game.

Let me know when you are prepared to post links to unbiased evidence that backs up your statement in the linked post.

Until then, we are done on this for now.

Adios.


There was no link in Fagan's post.:peace. There was therefore nothing to which one could reply.
 
Again, I am not saying to what extent America is involved.

But I am not going to assume America is not involved at all without proof...especially after these bonehead statements from government officials.

To do otherwise is 'selling swamp land in florida' territory, imo.

I'm sorry but that comment is about as idiotic as saying "I'm not going to assume Pink unicorns on the moon aren't involved with the gay movement at all without proof.".

You are asking to prove a negative, which is a logical fallacy.
 
I'm sorry but that comment is about as idiotic as saying "I'm not going to assume Pink unicorns on the moon aren't involved with the gay movement at all without proof.".

You are asking to prove a negative, which is a logical fallacy.

Duh...I realize he cannot prove it...that was the point.

And since he cannot prove it - then his statement has no factual data to back it up.


Now, if he had said 'I believe....'?

Fine, I have no problem with that.

But to say something is a certain way, in a matter-of-fact manner when he cannot prove it is - imo - nonsensical.


No doubt you disagree.
 
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Duh...I realize he cannot prove it...that was the point.

And since he cannot prove it - then his statement has no factual data to back it up.


Now, if he had said 'I believe....'?

Fine, I have no problem with that.

But to say something is a certain way, in a matter-of-fact manner when he cannot prove it is - imo - nonsensical.


No doubt you disagree.

And no doubt I do not much care.

Before you invest any more of your reputation in this matter I suggest you check out DaveFagan's "source.":lamo
 
Ah yes. "World News Daily, Information Clearinghouse." As I thought, tin foil hat nuttery.:peace

Standard mantra. Conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat. Grow up. They hate us for our freedoms. It's all that freedom and liberty they want. The USA is attempting to surround Russia as a strategic military strategy. Pretty plain, 'bout like mashed potatos.
 
Standard mantra. Conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat. Grow up. They hate us for our freedoms. It's all that freedom and liberty they want. The USA is attempting to surround Russia as a strategic military strategy. Pretty plain, 'bout like mashed potatos.

Good luck to you in all your future endeavors.:peace
 
Duh...I realize he cannot prove it...that was the point.

And since he cannot prove it - then his statement has no factual data to back it up.


Now, if he had said 'I believe....'?

Fine, I have no problem with that.

But to say something is a certain way, in a matter-of-fact manner when he cannot prove it is - imo - nonsensical.


No doubt you disagree.

I was responding to YOUR quote. If you don't want YOUR quote taken the wrong way either say so or suffer what I did. YOUR quote was no better. Either way, YOUR quote was NO BETTER than what you are trying to show.
 
I was responding to YOUR quote. If you don't want YOUR quote taken the wrong way either say so or suffer what I did. YOUR quote was no better. Either way, YOUR quote was NO BETTER than what you are trying to show.

I know what you were responding to.

And I used it to respond to his quote.

Your statement is noted.

Now, back to my Ignore List for you.


Good day.
 
I know what you were responding to.

And I used it to respond to his quote.

Your statement is noted.

Now, back to my Ignore List for you.


Good day.

Oh noes, I'm on your ignore list, whatever will I do. Except continually debunk your bull**** comments like I've been doing. Go ahead, keep me on ignore, it only works in my favor with your idiotic comments. I get to continually prove your comments are bull****.
 
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