• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Rainbow Flag Will Fly Over Montreal City Hall During Olympics

None of that stuff- language, monarchy, regionalism, is given much importance in Canada. By most people, anyway. There's still French separatists in Quebec and Anglophone monarchists and whatnot but most people just don't care much about any of it. It looks odd to Americans but the two languages don't get in the way and the royal family is just a human-interest story on the 6 o'clock news.
Hell, Belgium has three official languages and Switzerland has four and those two are pretty darned efficient societies.

That's why I think it's so weird.

At the same time I think its weird that some in Louisiana speak creole, which isn't really a problem for me because I do understand French, and Creole is similar but it's "gibberish" for the most part...
 
Do you know which party ruled for most of Canada's modern history? The Liberals. Not American liberals either, what you would call socialists.

Which is horrible, however I do get confused with your political parties...

IMO, the term "Liberal" is so used and abused and has been hijacked.

I'm a "liberal" but a "classical liberal" ...

I just don't know why socialists have to cloak themselves in liberalism - it just gives liberalism a bad name.

In my mind there is no difference between a real conservative (republicans are a different story) and a classical liberal in US politics.
 
Which is horrible, however I do get confused with your political parties...

IMO, the term "Liberal" is so used and abused and has been hijacked.

I'm a "liberal" but a "classical liberal" ...

I just don't know why socialists have to cloak themselves in liberalism - it just gives liberalism a bad name.

In my mind there is no difference between a real conservative (republicans are a different story) and a classical liberal in US politics.

Well that is what Liberals are here and in Europe. We follow the British/European model. What Americans think are socialists are not. The Liberals defined Canada domestically and internationally.
 
It's not "poor regulation" its poor judgment and endless spending.

If you think government spending was what caused the 2008 financial crisis, you should probably stop talking about it.
 
Well we love our single-payer system in fact Quebec has the best healthcare in the country and most of the research to. We have more regulations than you because what not regulating did to the U.S., the collapse in 2008 could not have happened in Canada and we passed environmental legislation before you and believe it or not it was our Conservatives who did it. We have our own identity and we are proud of it.

Yeah right, I've heard first hand stories of people waiting HOURS with serious injuries just to get treated on some first come first serve basis.

Also, the population of Canada is 30 million compared to the US which has a population of 300 million.

Not to mention we don't have a single payer system.
 
Which is horrible, however I do get confused with your political parties...

IMO, the term "Liberal" is so used and abused and has been hijacked.

I'm a "liberal" but a "classical liberal" ...

I just don't know why socialists have to cloak themselves in liberalism - it just gives liberalism a bad name.

In my mind there is no difference between a real conservative (republicans are a different story) and a classical liberal in US politics.

Look at it this way- liberals fought the Revolutionary War, conservatives moved to Nova Scotia.
 
Yeah right, I've heard first hand stories of people waiting HOURS with serious injuries just to get treated on some first come first serve basis.

Also, the population of Canada is 30 million compared to the US which has a population of 300 million.

Not to mention we don't have a single payer system.

Our healthcare system works on priority those with serious health issues go first. It greatly depends what it is Quebec just so happens to have a fairly large amount of specialists to deal with those problems. European countries have it and they have larger populations you just need to scale up. You may have more people who need healthcare but you also have more people to provide that care.
 
If you think government spending was what caused the 2008 financial crisis, you should probably stop talking about it.

No it wasn't - It was Bill Clintons revisions of the Community Reinvestment Act (forced lending to individuals that could never pay back their loans). Of course there were other factors like Wall Street unhinged, and the fact every time Bush or any republican or democrat who addressed this insanity was shot down as a "racist" for attempting to turn the ever flowing faucet of lending off.

I know exactly what caused the market crash. Democrats put it in motion and republicans for the longest period of time did nothing to stop it..
 
Our healthcare system works on priority those with serious health issues go first. It greatly depends what it is Quebec just so happens to have a fairly large amount of specialists to deal with those problems. European countries have it and they have larger populations you just need to scale up.

Yeah right, a buddy of mine went on a hunting trip up to Canada and got his arm half severed and had to wait 3 hours to see a doctor.
 
Look at it this way- liberals fought the Revolutionary War, conservatives moved to Nova Scotia.

Classical liberals fought tyranny, fascism and the idea of big government/monarchies and modern liberals have become tyrannical fascists that adore big government and only wish Obama was a king.
 
Yeah right, a buddy of mine went on a hunting trip up to Canada and got his arm half severed and had to wait 3 hours to see a doctor.

Well how far away was he form a major hospital? He would get treated first before others unless whatever rural hospital he went to did not know what to do and either had to move him or bring another doctor.
 
Classical liberals fought tyranny, fascism and the idea of big government/monarchies and modern liberals have become tyrannical fascists that adore big government and only wish Obama was a king.

Bull****, bull****, bull****.
 
No it wasn't - It was Bill Clintons revisions of the Community Reinvestment Act (forced lending to individuals that could never pay back their loans). Of course there were other factors like Wall Street unhinged, and the fact every time Bush or any republican or democrat who addressed this insanity was shot down as a "racist" for attempting to turn the ever flowing faucet of lending off.

I know exactly what caused the market crash. Democrats put it in motion and republicans for the longest period of time did nothing to stop it..

Reagan crated the mentality, Clinton passed it, and Bush did nothing about it. I would say both sides are responsible.
 
Classical liberals fought tyranny, fascism and the idea of big government/monarchies and modern liberals have become tyrannical fascists that adore big government and only wish Obama was a king.

That's just a misuse of the term, 'liberal'. People who 'adore big government' aren't liberals, no matter what they or anyone else says.
 
That's just a misuse of the term, 'liberal'. People who 'adore big government' aren't liberals, no matter what they or anyone else says.

I'm glad someone gets it :)
 
Reagan crated the mentality, Clinton passed it, and Bush did nothing about it. I would say both sides are responsible.

Reagan didn't create the mentality - the CRA was the mastermind of Jimmy Carter back in 1977 Clinton just amended it 15 years later.

Reaganomics had some flaws but it certainly fixed the economy - there are a lot of theories as to why the he fixed the economy with his plan and many are too complicated to get into right now as this being a simplistic thread, but I would be glad to discuss this idea in the future in the appropriate thread and debate.
 
Reagan didn't create the mentality - the CRA was the mastermind of Jimmy Carter back in 1977 Clinton just amended it 15 years later.

Reaganomics had some flaws but it certainly fixed the economy - there are a lot of theories as to why the he fixed the economy with his plan and many are too complicated to get into right now as this being a simplistic thread, but I would be glad to discuss this idea in the future in the appropriate thread and debate.

It fixed the economy but didn't help the middle or lower classes his reforms only helped Wall Street.
 
Bull****, bull****, bull****.

Is that all you have to say?

Typical progressive...... Got any logical dissent other than "bull****" lol.

It's not that difficult to understand that giving money er "loans" to a bunch of "poor people" that buy homes with the money and who cant pay the money back, turned right around and used their "assets (home)" as collateral to secure more debt (credit cards) and put everything on plastic for about a decade, then the second the banks wanted to recoup their money, they lost everything then the liberals painted them as "victims" of greedy banks...

Why you think the economy was so great under Clinton? because he forced the banks into lending hence using the banks - not the taxpayers - as a form of social welfare.

This is what you get when people don't pay loans back......

When was the last time you saw a "zero money down drive away today" commercial? oh yeah they don't exist anymore because they were part of the problem.
 
I'm glad someone gets it :)

I've been a liberal all my life, learned my politics from my father, and what I want from government, mostly, is to leave me alone. Leave everyone alone. Stop trying to manage.
Conservatives, to me, are the managers, the rule-writers, the roadblocks. It was conservatism that needed to be overcome for womens rights to happen, civil rights to happen, gay rights to happen. All men are created equal- that's the liberal philosophy in a nutshell.
 
Is that all you have to say?

Typical progressive...... Got any logical dissent other than "bull****" lol.

It's not that difficult to understand that giving money er "loans" to a bunch of "poor people" that buy homes with the money and who cant pay the money back, turned right around and used their "assets (home)" as collateral to secure more debt (credit cards) and put everything on plastic for about a decade, then the second the banks wanted to recoup their money, they lost everything then the liberals painted them as "victims" of greedy banks...

Why you think the economy was so great under Clinton? because he forced the banks into lending hence using the banks - not the taxpayers - as a form of social welfare.

This is what you get when people don't pay loans back......

When was the last time you saw a "zero money down drive away today" commercial? oh yeah they don't exist anymore because they were part of the problem.

1. Since when am I a "progressive"? Oh, I forgot, in your world, anyone who doesn't think exactly like you is a card-carrying communist. Or "progressive," since you seem to think those are synonyms.

2. You claimed that liberals all are devoted to Obama and want him to be king. That kind of stupidity doesn't deserve anything more than to be called what it is. Which is BULL****.

It amazes me sometimes how certain conservative posters create this ridiculous strawman liberal in their head, and attempt to use that strawman as a cudgel despite how poorly constructed it is.
 
The cities of St. John's, Quebec City, and Montreal will fly the rainbow LGBT flag to protest the treatment of gays in Russia for the duration of the Olympics in Sochi.



This article can be found at the Montreal Gazette.

I hope more cities will choose to protest the anti-gay laws in Russia by doing this. Hopefully we can get more Canadian cities to do it as well as some American cities. Do you think that your/nearest city would raise the LGBT flag?

Yeah cause flying that flag will surely make Russia change its policies.
 
It fixed the economy but didn't help the middle or lower classes his reforms only helped Wall Street.

Wall Street?

You do realize Reagan crated a business friendly atmosphere? and honestly those who invest in the market are not "Wall Street."

The problem with Wall Street was that there were a bunch of shady brokers out there that could convince to to invest in companies that didn't even exist or just convinced you to invest in "**** on a stick" and called it chocolate popsicles...

Yeah there was a lot of trash on Wall Street but that was hardly the collapse or led to the collapse..... In the end local banks got screwed and had no choice to sell their debt to mega banks because the local banks got ****ed by Bill Clintons CRA amendments...

In short Bill Clinton destroyed independent banks and forced them to sell to cover their own debt.
 
1. Since when am I a "progressive"? Oh, I forgot, in your world, anyone who doesn't think exactly like you is a card-carrying communist. Or "progressive," since you seem to think those are synonyms.

2. You claimed that liberals all are devoted to Obama and want him to be king. That kind of stupidity doesn't deserve anything more than to be called what it is. Which is BULL****.

It amazes me sometimes how certain conservative posters create this ridiculous strawman liberal in their head, and attempt to use that strawman as a cudgel despite how poorly constructed it is.

You prove my point man....... Your damn profile says you're "slightly liberal" and anytime I throw the word "progressive around" smoke shoots out of your ears, then anytime anyone criticizes Obama you come running to his defense like some sort of minion.

What am I supposed to believe when you do nothing but defend progressive ideas, side with communists and praise Obama with every opportunity?

I don't know what you think you are but we certainly don't politically agree on anything and you seem to side more with progressives than any libertarian, classical liberal or conservative...

I suppose my point is that just because you believe you're "in the middle but slightly lean left" doesn't make it so considering your activity on these boards.
 
Wall Street?

You do realize Reagan crated a business friendly atmosphere? and honestly those who invest in the market are not "Wall Street."

The problem with Wall Street was that there were a bunch of shady brokers out there that could convince to to invest in companies that didn't even exist or just convinced you to invest in "**** on a stick" and called it chocolate popsicles...

Yeah there was a lot of trash on Wall Street but that was hardly the collapse or led to the collapse..... In the end local banks got screwed and had no choice to sell their debt to mega banks because the local banks got ****ed by Bill Clintons CRA amendments...

In short Bill Clinton destroyed independent banks and forced them to sell to cover their own debt.

Business friendly by making it easier for corporations to buy each other out and make more profit not small business. Most middle and lower class people do not have enough to greatly benefit form investing in stocks, it only helps the wealthy.
 
You prove my point man....... Your damn profile says you're "slightly liberal" and anytime I throw the word "progressive around" smoke shoots out of your ears, then anytime anyone criticizes Obama you come running to his defense like some sort of minion.

What am I supposed to believe when you do nothing but defend progressive ideas, side with communists and praise Obama with every opportunity?

I don't know what you think you are but we certainly don't politically agree on anything and you seem to side more with progressives than any libertarian, classical liberal or conservative...

I suppose my point is that just because you believe you're "in the middle but slightly lean left" doesn't make it so considering your activity on these boards.

Cool story, bro. "Side with communists." You, sir, have positively no idea what the **** you're talking about.
 
Back
Top Bottom