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VanceMack said:
My 'love' requires nothing of the other person. I have in-laws that are gay. I love them unconditionally. I care for them. I support them. I dont agree with them, nor do I change my position on gay marriage. But I LOVE them. I love them unconditionally. They know they are welcome in our home and they FEEL welcome in our home. Yours and others stated position that unless you agree with them and change your position then you don't love them is simply foolish.
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ahh the problem is loving some one wont make it impossible to mistreat them
 
APACHERAT said:
How often has the left been right about anything ? It's always about change, never taking the time looking at what the consequences will be and rarely ever getting it right.

These are the same loons who blamed Ronald Reagan for the AIDS epidemic . :screwy
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yes theirs something screwy about your post


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who on hear blames aids on Regan ?
 
Navy Pride said:
Who caress what Canada does....Its not the USA.
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every one who cares about things outside of their country who happens to care about things happening in Canada

every Canadian who cares what's happening in Canada who lives in Canada
 
Summerwind said:
You use words I gather you don't understand the meaning of. Unconditionally, love, care.... not even believable based on your stance that they remain second class citizens. I give them huge credit for not punching you in the face given your hypocrisy. Clearly they have way more integrity than you do.
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my big brothers the same way he gets along fine with are gay relatives and gay people in general probably only brings up his views that homosexuality is wrong when speaking to like minded people or people he wants to convert

love doesn't grant reason or equality automatically

not like every man opposed to giving equal rights to women hated their wives and daughters and mothers and any other women in their life
 
VanceMack said:
Im all for giving 'them' the same love and moral support I give everyone. I dont have to agree with their choices or even support gay marriage to do so.
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so i wasn't asking for you to give love i was asking for you to support equality even for people who do things you oppose
 
blarg said:
ahh the problem is loving some one wont make it impossible to mistreat them
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sorry...the "problem" is insisting that if someone doesn't agree with you and embrace your lifestyle and choices then they must not "love" you or that they are "mistreating" you.
 
blarg said:
so i wasn't asking for you to give love i was asking for you to support equality even for people who do things you oppose
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I support your happiness. I don't believe SSM should be legalized. Make that mean whatever makes you happy.
 
VanceMack said:
sorry...the "problem" is insisting that if someone doesn't agree with you and embrace your lifestyle and choices then they must not "love" you or that they are "mistreating" you.
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dont have to "agree"
dont have to "embrace"

you keep repeating these lies and poster after poster exposes them and proves you wrong

but you are FACTUALLY mistreating people by treating them as lessers, discriminating against them and not wanting them to have the same rights as you. Its extremely ignorant, arrogant and hateful and you should work on changing your views and making them less bigoted and more about love, understanding and tolerance.


we value equal rights, your views do not, you factually view them as lessers and dont want them to have equal rights

its ok simply accept it instead of lying about it
 
VanceMack said:
I support your happiness. I don't believe SSM should be legalized. Make that mean whatever makes you happy.
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it factually means you dont support happiness or equal rights

nor do you support civility, tolerance, human rights or civil rights

your views are all about bigotry, its assam and sad hopefully talking to your fellow americans and human beings you can learn and change your views
 
AGENT J said:
your the only one in this thread that has displayed hatred

if you disagree simply post examples of the hatred you are talking about

who else in this thread wants people treated as lessers and thier rights infringed on . . . . only you lol
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no you don't have to hate some one to mistreat them sucks but its true you don't have to believe your mistreat some one to mistreat them sucks but its true
 
blarg said:
no you don't have to hate some one to mistreat them sucks but its true you don't have to believe your mistreat some one to mistreat them sucks but its true
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I agree you dont have to but his view are hateful that fact wont change and they arent based on love
 
APACHERAT said:
Let me get this right. You're saying that 70% of black Americans in California are bigots ? If you say so, but I disagree.

Remember California's Prop 8 that would ban same sex marriage in California ? It was overwhelming passed by the majority. And that biggest majority were black American voters by 70%

Over half of Latino voters are also bigots.

Whites fared better, only 50% of whites are bigots in California.

I remember the day after Obama was elected in November of 2008 and watching one gay or lesbian after another being interviewed and they were outraged. They were saying they voted for Obama because he was black, and the blacks backstabbed the LGBT community by overwhelmingly voting against same sex marriage.

The LGBT community was pissed. I thought Westwood and San Francisco were going to hold Klan rallies and start burning crosses.

70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds - latimes.com
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when it comes to homosexuality yes those voters were bigots regardless of race
 
APACHERAT said:
It must really suck living in a world full of so many biggots.

Do you sleep with a gun under your pillow at night ?
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it can suck but you just got to not go along with them don't you act that way to?
 
VanceMack said:
sorry...the "problem" is insisting that if someone doesn't agree with you and embrace your lifestyle and choices then they must not "love" you or that they are "mistreating" you.
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that would be another problem yes

so why is denying marriage to your loved ones based on gender not mistreatment?
 
APACHERAT said:
Let me get this right. You're saying that 70% of black Americans in California are bigots ? If you say so, but I disagree.

Remember California's Prop 8 that would ban same sex marriage in California ? It was overwhelming passed by the majority. And that biggest majority were black American voters by 70%

Over half of Latino voters are also bigots.

Whites fared better, only 50% of whites are bigots in California.

I remember the day after Obama was elected in November of 2008 and watching one gay or lesbian after another being interviewed and they were outraged. They were saying they voted for Obama because he was black, and the blacks backstabbed the LGBT community by overwhelmingly voting against same sex marriage.

The LGBT community was pissed. I thought Westwood and San Francisco were going to hold Klan rallies and start burning crosses.

70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds - latimes.com
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Those exit polls were wrong, as the number of black people that voted for prop 8 was more like 58%, with Latinos at 59%.

As shown in Table 1, conservatives and Republicans were the most likely to support Proposition 8: 82% of conservatives and 81% of Republicans voted in favor of the measure. People who attended religious services weekly (70%) and those over age 65 (67%) also approved Proposition 8 by substantial majorities. Men were slightly more likely to support Proposition 8 (by 54%) than women (49%). Majorities of those under age 65 opposed Proposition 8. African American and Latino voters supported Proposition 8 to a greater degree, 58% and 59% respectively, than did whites and Asians. According to this survey, blacks’ support for the ballot measure was much lower than reported by Election Day exit polls. (An extensive discussion about this issue appears later in this report.)
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http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/issues/egan_sherrill_prop8_1_6_09.pdf
 
blarg said:
that would be another problem yes

so why is denying marriage to your loved ones based on gender not mistreatment?
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Right and wrong cannot be defined and redefined based on 'feelings'. You have no obligation to accept my definition of right or wrong. I have no obligation to change my definition of right and wrong because others desperately want it to be so. I can still love you, care for you, value you, treat you with respect...all without changing my viewpoint on homosexuality or whether or not the existing law should be changed to legalize gay marriage.
 
AGENT J said:
it factually means you dont support happiness or equal rights

nor do you support civility, tolerance, human rights or civil rights

your views are all about bigotry, its assam and sad hopefully talking to your fellow americans and human beings you can learn and change your views
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J...I truly hope for your happiness. Be free...be open, and be very happy.
 
APACHERAT said:
Let me get this right. You're saying that 70% of black Americans in California are bigots ? If you say so, but I disagree.

Remember California's Prop 8 that would ban same sex marriage in California ? It was overwhelming passed by the majority. And that biggest majority were black American voters by 70%

Over half of Latino voters are also bigots.

Whites fared better, only 50% of whites are bigots in California.

I remember the day after Obama was elected in November of 2008 and watching one gay or lesbian after another being interviewed and they were outraged. They were saying they voted for Obama because he was black, and the blacks backstabbed the LGBT community by overwhelmingly voting against same sex marriage.

The LGBT community was pissed. I thought Westwood and San Francisco were going to hold Klan rallies and start burning crosses.

70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds - latimes.com
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Further, the primary factors in who voted for prop 8 fell along political and religious lines, which is much, much more in keeping with what makes sense.

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Look at the numbers for church attendance, party affiliation and political ideology and you'll see where the numbers really spike.
 
VanceMack said:
Right and wrong cannot be defined and redefined based on 'feelings'. You have no obligation to accept my definition of right or wrong. I have no obligation to change my definition of right and wrong because others desperately want it to be so. I can still love you, care for you, value you, treat you with respect...all without changing my viewpoint on homosexuality or whether or not the existing law should be changed to legalize gay marriage.
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theres no "respect" in treating people as lessers, discriminating against them and denying the equal rights

thats pure DISRESPECT and it defines exactly what your views are

nobody honest will ever buy the lies and fantasy you post they all see the factual bigotry and the, evilness, hatred and disrespect in it.

Ill pray for you you maybe one day your views will improve and be more topically educated and tolerant
 
VanceMack said:
J...I truly hope for your happiness. Be free...be open, and be very happy.
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tell us all whats that view you were talking about earlier that you keep dodging?

your posts have been destroyed and exposes, hopefully your views will be based on love and equality in the future and not hate and disrespect
 
AGENT J said:
theres no "respect" in treating people as lessers, discriminating against them and denying the equal rights

thats pure DISRESPECT and it defines exactly what your views are

nobody honest will ever buy the lies and fantasy you post they all see the factual bigotry and the, evilness, hatred and disrespect in it.

Ill pray for you you maybe one day your views will improve and be more topically educated and tolerant
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Im sorry you feel that way and hope you are free, open, and very very happy.
 
VanceMack said:
Right and wrong cannot be defined and redefined based on 'feelings'. You have no obligation to accept my definition of right or wrong. I have no obligation to change my definition of right and wrong because others desperately want it to be so. I can still love you, care for you, value you, treat you with respect...all without changing my viewpoint on homosexuality or whether or not the existing law should be changed to legalize gay marriage.
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could maybe see if this bit of your definition of right and wrong is consistent with other principles of right and wrong that you hold
 
VanceMack said:
Im sorry you feel that way and hope you are free, open, and very very happy.
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another posted lie, you can hide your bigoted views
 
blarg said:
could maybe see if this bit of your definition of right and wrong is consistent with other principles of right and wrong that you hold
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Dont take this the wrong way...but you can choose to see it or not. Your opinion of my positions isnt entirely relevant, just as my opinions should not be relevant to yours.
 
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