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Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled[W:121]

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Rocketman said:
1.)there is nothing that says they weren't either.
2.) The info here tells you it is an issue.
3.) I could care less except for the people they endanger while out.
4.) Everyone of them deserves the disaster that is waiting on them.
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1.) correct, good thing i didnt make that claim. So like ive said for pages, your OP and stats fail on the premise they are presented. They were destroyed by muiltiple posters. The ONLY fact they stated is that weed was found in the system of my people. Nothing else. The rest is pure GUESSING.
2.) No it factually does nothing of the sort. One could GUESS it is but there nothing that says it factually is.
3.) the expression is i couldn't care less and yes everybody here is against driving while under the influence but the OP doesnt address that :shrug:
4.) you are welcome to this meaningless opinion

So the facts remain the OP and stats factually failed and were debunked based on the premise in which they were presented. The only facts they provided were that more people in recent years were found to have weed in their system.

Finally you realize the facts presented by many posters.
 
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Which is the problem when stoners from the '60's/70's restart the vice after a career where they were subject to random testing.
As with prescriptions that say no driving until you have seen what you're like under the influence, same should be true here.
Even the idea of a designated driver should be looked at for pot.
However, there is enough chemical evidence that about two hours is needed to be safe with the new high-potency dope .
Erod said:
This stands to reason since the marijuana of today is said to be many times more potent than that of the 60s and 70s.

Not your father's weed? Marijuana potency stronger than ever - CNN.com
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AGENT J said:
1.) correct, good thing i didnt make that claim. So like ive said for pages, your OP and stats fail on the premise they are presented. They were destroyed by muiltiple posters. The ONLY fact they stated is that weed was found in the system of my people. Nothing else. The rest is pure GUESSING.
2.) No it factually does nothing of the sort. One could GUESS it is but there nothing that says it factually is.
3.) the expression is i couldn't care less and yes everybody here is against driving while under the influence but the OP doesnt address that :shrug:
4.) you are welcome to this meaningless opinion

So the facts remain the OP and stats factually failed and were debunked based on the premise in which they were presented. The only facts they provided were that more people in recent years were found to have weed in their system.

Finally you realize the facts presented by many posters.
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I will take the state's findings over your opinions (yes, that is what they are) every time.:2wave:
 
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Rocketman said:
there is nothing that says they weren't either. The info here tells you it is an issue. I could care less except for the people they endanger while out. Everyone of them deserves the disaster that is waiting on them.
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Of course not, that's why it's not proof. In fact if the general population increased consumption of marijuana, you would measure an increase in the number of people testing positive for pot in fatal accidents. Not because they were driving while high, but because of overall shifts in statistics.

Could they be driving high? Yes. Should they be allowed to? No. But you have not presented anything that could count as evidence that the legalization of marijuana has led to an increase in fatal accidents caused by marijuana. In fact, all things being equal, if legalized pot led to more fatal car wrecks caused by driving while high, you'd expect an increase in the baseline number of fatalities. If, however, it is merely a statistical effect and not causing anymore accidents then you would expect the baseline measurement to remain the same. Now what do we have? Baseline staid the same. Hence the data you present is more consistent with a statistical shift in background consumption than it is with marijuana use leading to higher fatality rates.

And that is why you fail.
 
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VanceMack said:
And by comparison, what has been the increase in number of casual users of marijuana? Its also not insignificant that while the number of marijuana USERS has gone up, the number of alcohol related fatalities has not decreased and still far surpasses incidents where marijuana use was indicated at some point in time.

No one is suggesting that it is safe to drive while under the influence of ANYTHING. Surely you get that...right? The reality is...more people are using and abusing substances, be it alcohol, marijuana, prescription, meds, heroin, etc.
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you misread, total fatalities down, THC fatalities up
 
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Ikari said:
Of course not, that's why it's not proof. In fact if the general population increased consumption of marijuana, you would measure an increase in the number of people testing positive for pot in fatal accidents. Not because they were driving while high, but because of overall shifts in statistics.

Could they be driving high? Yes. Should they be allowed to? No. But you have not presented anything that could count as evidence that the legalization of marijuana has led to an increase in fatal accidents caused by marijuana. In fact, all things being equal, if legalized pot led to more fatal car wrecks caused by driving while high, you'd expect an increase in the baseline number of fatalities. If, however, it is merely a statistical effect and not causing anymore accidents then you would expect the baseline measurement to remain the same. Now what do we have? Baseline staid the same. Hence the data you present is more consistent with a statistical shift in background consumption than it is with marijuana use leading to higher fatality rates.

And that is why you fail.
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I will take state findings over your opinion every time. You have not brought anything to the discussion but opinion.
 
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As always, education is the main ingredient for a problem.
Colorado has been testing subjects for decades.
They didn't just jump in head first.
They have plenty of data on nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood.
At this point, the legislators cannot agree on a number.
It has been found that an everyday user 'wakes up' with an average of 10 ng/dL.
However, an infrequent user would be stoned with this level .
Rocketman said:
it shows an increase in fatalities for people with THC in their system while total fatalities including alcohol are down. When/if you lose someone close to you we are sure you will change your mind.
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Rocketman said:
it shows an increase in fatalities for people with THC in their system while total fatalities including alcohol are down. When/if you lose someone close to you we are sure you will change your mind.
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Emotional arguments are weak arguments. No change in baseline suggests that weed is not the cause of increased fatality rates. Rather it is more consistent with an increase in consumption with no affect on aggregate fatality rates.
 
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Rocketman said:
I will take state findings over your opinion every time. You have not brought anything to the discussion but opinion.
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As have you.
 
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NIMBY said:
As always, education is the main ingredient for a problem.
Colorado has been testing subjects for decades.
They didn't just jump in head first.
They have plenty of data on nanograms of THC per deciliter of blood.
At this point, the legislators cannot agree on a number.
it has been found that an everyday user 'wakes up' with an average of 10 ng/dL.
However, an infrequent user would be stoned with this level .
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Wait until they start killing people, glad I was out there on the bike last summer and not this coming summer
 
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Ikari said:
As have you.
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Nope, I posted state findings, no opinions
 
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Rocketman said:
I will take the state's findings over your opinions (yes, that is what they are) every time.:2wave:
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good because thats what im pointing out, i havent given my opinion on this subject yet accept for saying i doubt anybody here supports driving while under the influence.
Facts win again.

if you disagree PLEASE quote me giving my opinion that doesnt match the stats you posted in the OP and the PDF. They all state exactly what i said.
 
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Rocketman said:
Nope, I posted state findings, no opinions
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and the state findings only say that recently more people have been found to have weed in their system, NOTHING else.
This fact as already been proven.
 
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When subjects are tested, I would be interested in new findings about how the body reacts to being stoned 'first', and then start drinking;
versus drinking first and then get stoned .
I do believe the combination is the problem here, but have no data.
Smart people I know are simply staying overnight at their buddies after a day of football watching just to be safe .
Ikari said:
Emotional arguments are weak arguments. No change in baseline suggests that weed is not the cause of increased fatality rates. Rather it is more consistent with an increase in consumption with no affect on aggregate fatality rates.
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Rocketman said:
Nope, I posted state findings, no opinions
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Your opinion is in the interpretations of those numbers since they do not say what you claim. Ergo , you have brought nothing but opinion.
 
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Ikari said:
Your opinion is in the interpretations of those numbers since they do not say what you claim. Ergo , you have brought nothing but opinion.
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no, they simply don't meet yours or that other guys opinions and neither of you have provided anything outside of opinion to discredit them.
 
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I believe the testing of subjects will eventually show that it is a combination of pot and alcohol.
I'm in favor of a two-hour "wait period" after the last toke, but obviously middle-grounds will get challenged by both sides .
Rocketman said:
Wait until they start killing people, glad I was out there on the bike last summer and not this coming summer
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NIMBY said:
I believe the testing of subjects will eventually show that it is a combination of pot and alcohol.
I'm in favor of a two-hour "wait period" after the last toke, but obviously middle-grounds will get challenged by both sides .
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I have a study somewhere showing impairment is for 6 hours.
 
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Kreton said:
I wonder how many of those people also had water in their system.
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WOW, water impairs us? Do tell, do tell!:lamo
 
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What's needed is direct evidence showing these drivers were under the influence of weed which had a direct impact (no pun intended) on the accident. Common sense is not so common any longer - I'm one of the proponents of drug legalization across the board - however, when that user is impaired be it with alcohol, prescription drugs or legalized recreational drugs and drives, they should get the book thrown at them for being an idiot. If a fatality is involved, they need to get charged with involuntary whatever... driving laws need to be modified to accomodate weed and perhaps other drugs in the future if they haven't been already.

In this case, what we're seeing the argument revolve around is the lack of direct evidence the vehicle operators were under the influence at the time the accidents occurred. If that linkage is made, the statistics will be more meaningful as well as insightful.
 
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Colorado studies have shown that the half-life is "one-half" hour but they are dated.
No doubt the weed used was probably not as strong as what is going around now.

With 10 ng/dL being used as a "safe" level, and a stoned person reaching as high as 80 ng/dL in the blood,
it would take at least FOUR half lives to come down to a safe level .
Rocketman said:
I have a study somewhere showing impairment is for 6 hours.
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Rocketman said:
you misread, total fatalities down, THC fatalities up
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Alcohol fatalities...consistent. Total use of all substances up. Those are all variables to give your studies validity. Unless of course you just want your 'study' to say what you want it to say.
 
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Rocketman said:
no, they simply don't meet yours or that other guys opinions and neither of you have provided anything outside of opinion to discredit them.
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It's been fully demonstrated that the numbers are inconclusive and can say nothing towards the affects of marijuana legalization leading to more fatalities. In fact, it suggests a background rise in the number of people smoking and having zero effect on the fatality rate.
 
Rocketman said:
What a surprise-Rocketman:lol:

SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.
“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealthDay News.
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Researchers from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health gathered data from six states – California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and West Virginia – that perform toxicology tests on drivers involved in fatal car accidents. This data included over 23,500 drivers that died within one hour of a crash between 1999 and 2010.
Li reported in the study that alcohol contributed to about 40 percent of traffic fatalities throughout the decade.

The researchers found that drugs played an increasing role in fatal traffic accidents. Drugged driving accounted for more than 28 percent of traffic deaths in 2010, which is 16 percent more than it was in 1999.
The researchers also found that marijuana was the main drug involved in the increase. It contributed to 12 percent of fatal crashes, compared to only 4 percent in 1999.

“If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol,” Li said. “But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increased to 24 times that of a sober person.”
Researchers found that the increase in marijuana use occurred across all ages for males and females.
Jonathan Adkins, deputy executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association, told HealthDay News that marijuana impairs driving in much the same way that alcohol does.

“This study shows an alarming increase in driving under the influence of drugs, and, in particular, it shows an increase in driving under the influence of both alcohol and drugs,” Jan Withers, national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, added.
“MADD is concerned anytime we hear about an increase in impaired driving, since it’s 100 percent preventable,” Withers said. “When it comes to drugged driving versus drunk driving, the substances may be different but the consequences are the same – needless deaths and injuries.”
Adkins noted that the legalization of marijuana in some states makes these findings important to traffic safety officials.

“It’s a wake-up call for us in highway safety,” Adkins added. “The legalization of pot is going to spread to other states. It’s not even a partisan issue at this point. Our expectation is this will become the norm rather than the rarity.”
Li added that police do not have a test as accurate as the Breathalyzer to check a driver’s marijuana intoxication level.

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle
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I'd reserve judgment on this issue until I could determine who financed the report or who financed the distribution of the report. Alcohol and Pharma Corporations are directly impacted by marijuana legalization and will fight tooth and nail for continued prohibition laws, just like Capone fought to keep alcohol prohibition. Marijuana remains in the system for three weeks and alcohol 24-48 hours. 21 days marijuana and 2 days for alcohol, ergo probably only 21(three weeks) divided by 2(48 hours) equals 10.5 as the marijuana/alcohol ratio. That is a biased study. Realistically one would have to say the three times as many dead would have to be divided by 10,5 to correct the bias. I don't smoke weed, but did in the past (30 years past) and provide the info to counter psycho bias claims or assertions. Cui bono. Follow the money regarding who could profit from this distorted information and therein lies the truth.
 
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