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U.S. immigration bill 'in doubt' this year, Republican Ryan says

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans will be unlikely to compromise on immigration reform unless U.S. borders are first secured, and the possibility of a broad immigration bill reaching President Barack Obama's desk this year is "clearly in doubt," Representative Paul Ryan said on Sunday.
"Security first, no amnesty, then we might be able to get somewhere," Ryan said on ABC's "This Week."

Yahoo!

I really hope they hold this line...There is no way that border security will be enforced once the demo's get their amnesty passed. Plus, despite demo's whispering into some repub's ears about how they need to appeal to the hispanic vote through amnesty, it has never helped in the past...

According to Pew Research it reads as such:

Year Democratic candidate Republican candidate Democratic
advantage
1980 Jimmy Carter, 56% Ronald Reagan, 35% +21
1984 Walter Mondale, 61% Ronald Reagan, 37% +24
1988 Michael Dukakis, 69% George H.W. Bush, 30% +39
1992 Bill Clinton, 61% George H.W. Bush, 25% +36
1996 Bill Clinton, 72% Bob Dole, 21% +51
2000 Al Gore, 62% George W. Bush, 35% +27
2004 John Kerry, 58% George W. Bush, 40% +18
2008 Barack Obama, 67% John McCain, 31% +36
2012 Barack Obama, 71% Mitt Romney, 27% +44

http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2012/11/2012_Latino_vote_exit_poll_analysis_final_11-07-12.pdf

Note that in 1984, AFTER Reagan granted amnesty Mondale garnered 61% of the Hispanic vote over Reagan's 37%, a 24% difference for Mondale. Further, 4 years later, Dukakis, a real laughing stock of a candidate, garnered 69% to H.W. Bush's 25%, a 39% difference for demo's...And finally, G.W. Bush's numbers? Bush was supposedly so in tune with hispanic voters as former Gov. of TX, and a big comprehensive immigration reform proponent only got 40% of the first vote, to Kerry's 58%.....That was the lowest differential in 30 years, but still a full 18% down....

Face it we could grant amnesty to every Hispanic, and their families for the next hundred years, and Hispanic's are NOT going to vote for us, period!

Thoughts?
 
I have to say, Ryan has restored my faith that at least some republicans are still listening to us on the issue. "Security first, no amnesty, then we might be able to get somewhere" should be etched on every rep and senator's forehead.
 
if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now. The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders. Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.
 
if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now. The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders. Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.

I'd almost buy that last but for Arizona republicans passing bills to do precisely that, bills which the Obama admin did their best to quash. Besides, it's not just the big businesses hiring illegals, it's everything from Mom & Pop stores to individuals. Not to mention the now large network of illegal alien support other illegals before them have built.
 
Is it true that more illegal aliens have been deported under Obama than any president of recent past?

If so, I say kudos for him.
 
I'd almost buy that last but for Arizona republicans passing bills to do precisely that, bills which the Obama admin did their best to quash. Besides, it's not just the big businesses hiring illegals, it's everything from Mom & Pop stores to individuals. Not to mention the now large network of illegal alien support other illegals before them have built.

You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?
 
if they had no work you would not need a fence. Arrest a couple of big buisness owners that knowingly hire illegals, have them do the perp walk on Fox news, and the problem would be over or at least a lot closer than now.

That is a part of the puzzle for sure mak2, and needs to be done, as well as border security before any discussion of what the fate is of the illegals in country now.

The Repubs not wanting to do anything till they build a fence is simply a way to keep profiting from the low wages of illegals while pretending to want to stop illegals from crossing the boarders.

Again QFT. Are you, or are Americans ready to pay $10 per pound for Apples in season? Are they ready for the $15 bag of grapes? Which is more important, cheap food, or a secure free country?

No country can exist with open borders, it is impossible, especially when you consider the welfare state that exists today.

Keeps the base all fired up and still gets nothing done with the real problem. the Republicans dont really want to do anything about them either.

The illegal problem is responsible for many hard working housing contractors loosing their business, unable to keep up with rock bottom bids for work, and the problem is getting worse. With licensing laws getting more lax as to 'sanctuary' cities, and states loosening up license laws is getting more involved in transportation, and logistics as well...These are some of the last middle class, blue collar jobs we have left, and it needs to stop.
 
You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?

Some yes but not the way you portray, and only certain provisions were ruled unconstitutional FOR THE STATE TO DO, though Obama held up entire bills - including provisions to go after employers of illegals.
 
Is it true that more illegal aliens have been deported under Obama than any president of recent past?

If so, I say kudos for him.

No, it is not true....

...figures recently unearthed by a federal lawsuit in Texas cast serious doubt on the administration’s deportation claims. The number of deportations appears to have declined significantly during the president’s term in office.

Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, has analyzed a set of largely unpublished official statistics on immigration-enforcement activity over the past five years. Earlier this month, Vaughan testified in court on behalf of a group of U.S. Immigration and Customs (ICE) agents who are suing the administration over its use of “prosecutorial discretion” in dictating how immigration law is enforced — or not enforced. The agents are seeking an injunction against a series of policy directives from ICE and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that were designed to regulate the extent to which ICE officers could initiate deportation proceedings for illegal immigrants in their custody.


In her testimony on April 8, Vaughan noted that, contrary to the administration’s claims, the number of illegal-immigrant removals has dropped 40 percent since June 2011, when ICE director John Morton issued the first of several directives outlining significant changes to the agency’s enforcement policies. “There has been a significant decline in enforcement activity as measured by the number of removals,” Vaughan says.
Deportations specifically of illegal immigrants convicted of a crime — individuals the administration says it has prioritized for removal — are similarly down, almost 40 percent since June 2011, Vaughan found. And that decline has occurred despite a significant increase in the number of illegal immigrants referred to ICE after being arrested for crimes. “There are certainly enough illegal aliens out there, especially enough criminal illegal aliens, that their numbers should be going up, not down,” Vaughan says. “So they appear to be giving a lot of free passes to people who are a public-safety problem, beyond the fact that they are here illegally.”

Removals generated by ICE’s Enforcement and Removals division, which is responsible for interior immigration enforcement, have decreased nearly 50 percent since June 2011. Vaughan says the administration has been inflating its deportation statistics by including a greater number of U.S. Border Patrol cases — illegal immigrants picked up at the border and subsequently referred to ICE — as part of its annual statistics. Border Patrol cases accounted for 56 percent of removals reported in fiscal year 2013, up from 33 percent in 2008. Typically, an individual apprehended at the southern border is simply returned to Mexico without being processed as a deportation by ICE.

Vaughan says this undermines the administration’s claim that pursuing criminal cases is its top priority. This was the primary argument that DHS secretary Janet Napolitano put forward in June 2012, when she issued a directive instructing ICE officers to refrain from initiating deportation proceedings for illegal immigrants who might qualify for “DREAM status” — immigrants who were brought here illegally, are currently enrolled in school or the military, and have not been convicted of a serious crime. “They have been justifying policies by saying it enables them to focus more on criminals,” Vaughan says. “What’s happening is actually the opposite. The majority of resources are going toward supporting Border Patrol activity.”

The Deportation Lie | National Review Online

Internal documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee show that the Obama administration has been “cooking the books” in order to reach their “record” number of deported illegal immigrants, chairman Rep. Lamar Smith said Friday.

Based on the internal U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) documents, the number of removals are actually down, the opposite of what the administration has been claiming.



Read more: New documents reveal Obama administration 'cooking the books' to achieve record deportation numbers | The Daily Caller
 
You mean the Arizona bills that discriminated againist Latinos and were unconstitutional?

Nonsense, I suppose this is where liberals come in to distort, and misrepresent. Congrats, it only took til post #6.
 
Here is what Cantor stated yesterday. Seems he left an opening.


Cantor: Immigration reform should begin where both parties can agree.....

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Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican, said Sunday that securing the nation’s borders and enforcing immigration laws is a precursor to any talk of legal status or citizenship.

We need a clear, certain, determined ability to get the situation on the border straight and implement laws on the interior so people across the country can have faith that the laws are being enforced,” he said on “Face the Nation.”

One area where there is broad agreement on both sides of the aisle, Mr. Cantor said, is not punishing Dreamers who were brought to America as children and don’t know any other home.

We ought to be dealing with the things we can agree on which is the kids,” he said. “Certainly we ought to take care of that problem. That should come first because it just makes sense to start where we can find agreement.”.....snip~


Read more: Cantor: Immigration reform should begin where both parties can agree - Washington Times
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Boehner feels the same way.....on the agreeing part. Starting with the kids. What does this mean?
 
That means stick the camel's nose further under the tent and backdoor in the parents and the rest of the families.

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Only thing left is for Boehner to cry a little on camera.
 
Immigration bill in doubt? More than doubt. There is little chance that the current Congress will pass any sort of meaningful immigration reform.

The Republican strategy is to do nothing while blaming Democrats for wanting to pass amnesty, and to make noises about a "fence" that everyone knows would simply be an expensive boondoggle with the sole purpose of fooling people into thinking that they're doing something about illegal immigration. The Democrat strategy is to make mouth noises about immigration reform while continuing to take donations from businesses that rely on illegal labor to remain profitable.

In short, the blame game will continue, mouth noises about a border fence will continue, but nothing of any use will be passed.

That's my prediction anyway, and it is based on watching what our dysfunctional Congress has been doing for the past several years.
 
Immigration bill in doubt? More than doubt. There is little chance that the current Congress will pass any sort of meaningful immigration reform.

The Republican strategy is to do nothing while blaming Democrats for wanting to pass amnesty, and to make noises about a "fence" that everyone knows would simply be an expensive boondoggle with the sole purpose of fooling people into thinking that they're doing something about illegal immigration. The Democrat strategy is to make mouth noises about immigration reform while continuing to take donations from businesses that rely on illegal labor to remain profitable.

In short, the blame game will continue, mouth noises about a border fence will continue, but nothing of any use will be passed.

That's my prediction anyway, and it is based on watching what our dysfunctional Congress has been doing for the past several years.

Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?
 
I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...
Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?
 
I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...

I think you touched on a good part of it.

First, a system like E-Verify must be accepted as a means by which employers can demonstrate they have done their due dilligence in their effort to confirm a prospective employees eligibility to work. Having received confirmation of legal right, they are protected should it be shown the supplied documents were fraudulent.

Second, as you suggested, there should be immediate, and severe, penalties, including asset forfeiture, against any employer who willfully hires someone who is not legally allowed to be employed.

People found to be working illegally should be immediately deported, and any minors or other dependants found living with them also deported.

People need to remove the "heroic" halo that has been cast around illegal aliens. They don't care about the employers they put at risk, the families they put at risk, or the cost their illegal activity causes others to cover. They need to be removed, over as much time as it takes, so the economy is no longer threatened by their presence here.
 
I honestly dont. I think we should have followed the law all along. I dont think the Illegal immigrant that has been here working for cheap labor for years should be the only one paying...but I dont have a good answer for the problem this country allowed people to create who just wanted to come here to work and make their life better. I dont have the answer...

Ok, I understand. It is a complex problem for sure, which is why "comprehensive" won't work IMO. We have to break this up into pieces that we can implement, and ensure that they work before tackling other parts. In that vein, If you have a leak in the roof of the house, you don't go in and replace the soaked room until you fix the leak....
 
I think you touched on a good part of it.

First, a system like E-Verify must be accepted as a means by which employers can demonstrate they have done their due dilligence in their effort to confirm a prospective employees eligibility to work. Having received confirmation of legal right, they are protected should it be shown the supplied documents were fraudulent.

Second, as you suggested, there should be immediate, and severe, penalties, including asset forfeiture, against any employer who willfully hires someone who is not legally allowed to be employed.

People found to be working illegally should be immediately deported, and any minors or other dependants found living with them also deported.

People need to remove the "heroic" halo that has been cast around illegal aliens. They don't care about the employers they put at risk, the families they put at risk, or the cost their illegal activity causes others to cover. They need to be removed, over as much time as it takes, so the economy is no longer threatened by their presence here.

I dont see it as it is the evil workers putting the emplyers at risk, it is the other way around. The illegals have no power, corporations have the power in this counrty.
 
Actually I think this is one topic a vast majority of Americans could agree to do something about, but not the politicans.
 
Well Ditto, you are awfully good at presenting the flaws with both sides in the past, and doing so in a manner placing yourself above the fray if you will..So, what are YOUR solutions to the problem? Do you have one, or are you just another that considers yourself so much smarter than either side talking about it that you only need laugh, and refuse to help?

My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes:

First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.
 
And vote for who?
My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes?\

First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.
 
My solution? I've posted it before, but here goes:

First, fine any employer who hires illegals. Make the fine big enough to make it more profitable to use legal labor.
Next, deny illegals any government services at all.

Then, set up immigration offices in the American consulates in the illegals' home countries. Make it known that any illegal who returns home, can show that he/she has a full time job in the USA waiting and has a clean criminal record can get a green card and return to the USA the right way.

No longer will the illegals have to live in the shadows. No longer will we have to put up with foreign born gangsters and thieves. We will still have the hard working family oriented immigrants who help make this nation great. We will have put the coyotes who exploit the poor south of the border out of business.

We will have avoided the flood of illegals that resulted from the passage of amnesty back in the 1980s.

But, alas, such a plan will require that the Congress of the United States start to do what is best for the country, not what is best for the party. Such a thing is not politically possible right now.

First, the voters will have to wake up and stage a revolution at the ballot box.

Ok, well, what's wrong with closing the borders first, and making sure that we don't still have the leaky roof? You seem to be remodeling the room before fixing the leak...
 
I really hope they hold this line...There is no way that border security will be enforced once the demo's get their amnesty passed. Plus, despite demo's whispering into some repub's ears about how they need to appeal to the hispanic vote through amnesty, it has never helped in the past...

According to Pew Research it reads as such:


Note that in 1984, AFTER Reagan granted amnesty Mondale garnered 61% of the Hispanic vote over Reagan's 37%, a 24% difference for Mondale. Further, 4 years later, Dukakis, a real laughing stock of a candidate, garnered 69% to H.W. Bush's 25%, a 39% difference for demo's...And finally, G.W. Bush's numbers? Bush was supposedly so in tune with hispanic voters as former Gov. of TX, and a big comprehensive immigration reform proponent only got 40% of the first vote, to Kerry's 58%.....That was the lowest differential in 30 years, but still a full 18% down....

Face it we could grant amnesty to every Hispanic, and their families for the next hundred years, and Hispanic's are NOT going to vote for us, period!

Thoughts?

Not sure about Central American or South American Hispanic illegal aliens and legal immigrants but Mexican illegal aliens and legal immigrants believe that government is the source of success which means they want free stuff from government.

The Democrat Party promises free stuff in exchange for votes.
 
I dont see it as it is the evil workers putting the emplyers at risk, it is the other way around. The illegals have no power, corporations have the power in this counrty.

There are some employers, contractors, etc., who don't check any kind of background for illegals. They simply ask, "are you legal", and move on from there. Obviously, these employers know better, but hey, I suppose they consider labor to be labor.

However, it is the majority of illegal aliens who present forged documents and other fraudulent types of ID that I refer to. What happens when an employee, or a group of employees are found to be illegal? The operation of that company could be severely impacted, affecting everyone, including those who are legally working. The illegal alien worker knew they were not legally allowed to work there, but they did so anyway, ignoring what could happen to those around them.

Again, this holds true to their families, and even their US born children. If these people cared, they would not put so many at risk for their actions. They couldn't care less and use whatever excuse they think works.

I find that disgusting.

As I wrote, there is nothing heroic about illegal aliens. They are here to exploit only, and that includes those they surround themselves with.
 
Not sure about Central American or South American Hispanic illegal aliens and legal immigrants but Mexican illegal aliens and legal immigrants believe that government is the source of success which means they want free stuff from government.

The Democrat Party promises free stuff in exchange for votes.



Lets not forget Johnny Quest McCain calling for more Worker visas. Others calling for More Student visas, plus didn't Schumer want to come up with another type of Visa?
 
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