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Man allegedly points gun at girl selling cookies door-to-door

notquiteright said:
Did I reference the incident in question?
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Yes, right here:
notquiteright said:
There is a difference between situational awareness and answering your front door pointing a weapon or....
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That is a reference to the incident this thread is about.

Returning back to the topic: We don't know that any gun was pointed at anyone. It's CA. The man could have been cleaning a gun and answered the door with it in his hand and the father freak out. Then again maybe the guy is a paranoid and actually did intend to point a loaded firearm at the girl. We don't know. There's no evidence either way. There's only hearsay.
 
Tigger said:
Yes, a broadsword. A 30" Scotish basket-hilt broadsword. Cut/Thrust/Punch and short enough to be wielded with significant mobility in compact spaces. Probably the best non-projectile home defense tool I've ever come across. Scare the living crap out of people too.
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Wouldn't a halbard be more effective? You could keep people at a distance, and cut and thrust. I suppose the interiors would be an impediment, as well as the logistics of opening the door.
 
Jerry said:
Yes, right here:

That is a reference to the incident this thread is about.

Returning back to the topic: We don't know that any gun was pointed at anyone. It's CA. The man could have been cleaning a gun and answered the door with it in his hand and the father freak out. Then again maybe the guy is a paranoid and actually did intend to point a loaded firearm at the girl. We don't know. There's no evidence either way. There's only hearsay.
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Actually hearsay is evidence presented in court through a third party. The police arrested the homeowner because an EYEWITNESS, that is first hand, says the homeowner came to the door pointing a weapon. You can call it an unconfirmed eyewitness account, but ya can't call it hearsay.

Now as far as trying to spin this to just cleanin' my 'gun'- I clean mine from time to time, I wouldn't think to take it in an inoperative condition to the front door. The law in most states doesn't require the weapon to be loaded and the shooter in a Weaver stance to qualify for pointing...

No I didn't reference the California man, just in general and for that matter a broadsword. :peace
 
notquiteright said:
The more I read some 'reasons' for being ahhhh 'wary' of answering your door in daylight the more I recall that "cowering in the basement, clutching a 'gun' and a Bible" and tend to believe it is a lot truer than some want to believe.... :peace
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I don't have a basement and I'm a better shot while standing upright.
 
notquiteright said:
Better shot, perhaps- but for sure a better target... and closets work best for those without a basement....
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I would not retreat to my closet, I'll leave that for those more like you.

Like I said, it's all a moot point. No one could surprise me in my house; even a Ninja couldn't sneak past my Chihuahuas without alerting them.
 
Texmex said:
I would not retreat to my closet, I'll leave that for those more like you. Like I said, it's all a moot point. No one could surprise me in my house; even a Ninja couldn't sneak past my Chihuahuas without alerting them.
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So you're out of the closet... good for you!!!!! ;)

Just having a little fun, if you are married there is no room in any closet!!!
 
notquiteright said:
The more I read some 'reasons' for being ahhhh 'wary' of answering your door in daylight the more I recall that "cowering in the basement, clutching a 'gun' and a Bible" and tend to believe it is a lot truer than some want to believe.... :peace
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I don't cower anywhere - however, I'm at an age where uninvited "guests" aren't a highlight of my day.
 
iguanaman said:
You hate Girl Scouts? That is very telling. Are you sure you just aren't just a skinflint?
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I don't hate girls scouts or any other child centered activity and as for being a skinflint, you might want to ask the neighbour's kids about who buys up all their chocolate bars, cookies, chocolate coated almonds etc. and then gives them back to them, and who has the best Halloween treats in the neighbourhood.

Perhaps in Florida, although I doubt it, the criminal element isn't as inventive as it is here in Toronto - we get lots of "door-to-door" scams.

And let's not forget, there's a reason homes have doors - it's so people don't have to be disturbed by those they don't want to converse with.
 
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notquiteright said:
So you're out of the closet... good for you!!!!! ;)

Just having a little fun, if you are married there is no room in any closet!!!
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I'm married. If my wife found me in any closet, she would demand that I clean it, so I avoid closets at all cost. :lamo
 
Helix said:
what if it's just a pajamagram?
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The UPS guy got quite a fright the first week of January. My fiance hadn't told me that we were expecting a package and I ended up answering the door at 8am on a Saturday in my robe and with a sword in my hand. I put it down and signed for the package in the vestibule, but not with the door open.

Jerry said:
The broad sword wasn't designed for use in confined spaces. A short-sword is a better option.
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I've got enough space to make it work where I am, thankfully. The short sword is just not long enough in my mind and does not provide the same flexibility. To each their own I guess.

notquiteright said:
Oh your paranoia and distrust of people is not news to me. There is a difference between situational awareness and answering your front door pointing a weapon or brandishing a sword. it is a good thing you live locked away, I mean in a secure facility...
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Given an option, I'd be even further separated from the public, but that's not an option at this time.

Morality Games said:
Wouldn't a halbard be more effective? You could keep people at a distance, and cut and thrust. I suppose the interiors would be an impediment, as well as the logistics of opening the door.
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The logistics aren't reasonable on multiple levels.
 
Jerry said:
We don't know that a gun was pointed. There's no evidence. It's hearsay.
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No it isn't. After interviewing both the gun owner and the father, the man is in jail, and his bond is 25,000 bucks. Police departments are not exactly a bastion of liberals. Still, this is alleged, until after the man goes to trial or pleads out. However, the evidence appears to be pretty strong. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Police departments are not exactly a bastion of liberals.
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It's Kalifornia, the law is designed to harass gun owners by default.

There is no evidence, and that's why you haven't linked to it. There's no video, no audio, nothing. Maybe he pointed the gun, maybe he didn't, there's no evidence either way.
 
danarhea said:
No it isn't. After interviewing both the gun owner and the father, the man is in jail, and his bond is 25,000 bucks. Police departments are not exactly a bastion of liberals. Still, this is alleged, until after the man goes to trial or pleads out. However, the evidence appears to be pretty strong. LOL.
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Too many questions arise for this to be a solid case, at least through the shoddy reporting in the LATimes that you posted...

1. What kind of neighborhood was it?

2. Was there recent crime in the neighborhood?

3. Was the gun legally owned?

4. Was this man an owner, or renter?

5. Riverside Ca. although not overly unsafe, it has it's pockets, and the times being what they are, probably not a good idea to let your kid go door to door....I guess in CA. now, the right to defend your property is out the window.

We just don't know enough about this blurb of a story.
 
j-mac said:
Too many questions arise for this to be a solid case, at least through the shoddy reporting in the LATimes that you posted...

1. What kind of neighborhood was it?

2. Was there recent crime in the neighborhood?

3. Was the gun legally owned?

4. Was this man an owner, or renter?

5. Riverside Ca. although not overly unsafe, it has it's pockets, and the times being what they are, probably not a good idea to let your kid go door to door....I guess in CA. now, the right to defend your property is out the window.

We just don't know enough about this blurb of a story.
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I'm fairly convinced that danarhea just wants guns banned and will post whatever headline smears gun ownership regardless of substance or lack there-of. That's the only thing which explains this thread.
 
Jerry said:
I'm fairly convinced that danarhea just wants guns banned and will post whatever headline smears gun ownership regardless of substance or lack there-of. That's the only thing which explains this thread.
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True...
 
Verax said:
You can't take safety too seriously. Whenever somebody knocks on my door, our family goes into our battlestations. I throw on my kevlar vest and grab my SKS with bananan clip - 7.62x39 locked and loaded. My wife gets the chainsaw and stands behind the door as I open it, with her hand on the start cord. My daughter has a collection of kitchen knifes, razor sharpened with diamond cutting blades, she can dual wield meat cleavers and chop an intruder's head off in one stroke. My chihuahua is always ready in her battle garb with snout scream barking at 140db to flash bang the intruder's ears.

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The other day the lawn people showed up and we unfortunately had to take them out. I opened the door and saw that he was a Mexican, instinctively we all fired immediately. My bullets cut him down, daughter decapitated him and wife dismembered what was left with the chainsaw. His wife in the Blazer tried to get away but we got her with our RPG. We feel kind of bad but... this is a dangerous world and we had to do what we had to do to keep our family safe.

Seriously, you guys that think your hysterical reactions to a girl scout or otherwise at the door are reasonable, you either need to be on medication or move to a safer neighborhood.
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Speaking of needing medication, when you last take yours? Read your own post.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree, it sounds absurd, but then who would think that a criminal would use a child to gain entry to a home? Who would think a criminal would use deceit to rob someone of their possessions?

Personally, I don't answer the door beyond a certain hour in the day and I don't ever answer the door unless I know who's knocking - partly because I hate people selling or collecting door to door.
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Neither do I, especially if they have a clip board or pamphlets. :)
 
American said:
Speaking of needing medication, when you last take yours? Read your own post.
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Are you suggesting this didn't happen? Come to my door, my chihuahua will tear your glasses off.
 
Jerry said:
I'm fairly convinced that danarhea just wants guns banned and will post whatever headline smears gun ownership regardless of substance or lack there-of. That's the only thing which explains this thread.
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Show where I have ever said I wanted guns banned. You won't find it, but you will find that every single post I have made on the issue is in support of gun ownership. Of course, you already knew that from discussions in the past before you personally attacked me with that lie.

The only thing that really pisses me off more than hyperpartisans who personally attack me is damn liars who do it.
 
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danarhea said:
Show where I have ever said I wanted guns banned. You won't find it, but you will find that every single post I have made on the issue is in support of gun ownership. Of course, you already knew that from discussions in the past before you personally attacked me with that lie.

The only thing that really pisses me off more than hyperpartisans who personally attack me is damn liars who do it.
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Referencing SYG law where it clearly doesn't apply is something only gun ban'ers do. The next time a ligit STG incident occurs, people will automatically think back to that insane guy who pulled a gun on a little girl selling cookies and think that's what pro-gun wants to keep legal. They will support any resulting SYG reduction legislation as a result, because sheeple don't bother to learn anything about the topic. Since you're not an idiot, you know that, and that's why you made this thread.
 
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Jerry said:
The next time a ligit STG incident occurs, people will automatically think back to that insane guy who pulled a gun on a little girl selling cookies and think that's what pro-gun wants to keep legal. They will support any resulting SYG reduction legislation as a result, because sheeple don't bother to learn anything about the topic. Since you're not an idiot, you know that, and that's why you made this thread.
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Since you edited and added this part of your post AFTER I quoted you, I will respond to that. No I didn't. Now go troll someone else. You are on ignore now.
 
Incidentally, use of the word "sheeple" is a good indicator you can ignore the person using it.
 
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