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RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman[W:90]

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Cardinal said:
As did I. Speaking of which, how is that guy still alive?
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Beats me, but apparently he's off the drugs...

That's a start..


Tim-
 
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poweRob said:
****ing asshole.

Great actor. just... I can't stand these famous people doing this junk. You already live the posh easy life all while having people look up to you then you do this stupid ****. Jerk.

Clearly you didn't have a settled enough life so may you find it now. RIP.
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I started on the first page of this thread and waited until I got a response like yours . . . it took one page. I haven't read any further . . . I just wanted to let you know . . . you have reinforced my opinion that our nation is seriously behind in all forms of education. Money don't matter . . . success don't matter . . . people's standing in a caste society has no matter . . . addiction doesn't have boundaries. It is truly a disease, and if you think the "Posh Life" makes life easier than you are an #$#@&**.

If the cuss words work for him, then they should be able to apply to you without some kind of report to the sensors. I will now read the rest of the thread . . . I wanted to state this before I went any further.
 
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Moot said:
I understand Hoffmans' drug addiction began with drugs prescribed for pain by a doctor. A lot of people start their drug addiction that way.
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that was a big part of the reason i didn't take vicodin when had some dental work done a few years ago. my brain has no idea what opiates are like, and i would like to keep it that way for as long as possible.

RIP to a great actor.
 
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Summerwind said:
To an extent I agree, but y'know I think that there's a huge amount of insecurity in the lifestyle. Never knowing from day to day if you have a role tomorrow, if you have a role how will it be received, and the inordinate level of pressure on the actors vs others in the media making realm. If a director or an editor or some other position screws up their aspect of a media presentation, it'll still be the actor usually that takes the blame....

I do agree that they should have the resource to get and keep their **** together, but to look at it as somehow saying that a posh life (ie materialistically satisfying) is all a person needs to be happy and well adjusted is a bit narrow minded.
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That's true about not knowing about having work from one shoot to the next but he was way beyond that concern when he started landing all the awards. He could write his own ticket. Which is why he could easily bounce in and out of independent films and back to a HUGE roll with no problem. IMO, these people are lifted up on the shoulders of the masses. They are basically like America's royalty. So therefore they kind of owe it to the people to be aware that the people are holding them up and looking up to them.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
I started on the first page of this thread and waited until I got a response like yours . . . it took one page. I haven't read any further . . . I just wanted to let you know . . . you have reinforced my opinion that our nation is seriously behind in all forms of education. Money don't matter . . . success don't matter . . . people's standing in a caste society has no matter . . . addiction doesn't have boundaries. It is truly a disease, and if you think the "Posh Life" makes life easier than you are an #$#@&**.

If the cuss words work for him, then they should be able to apply to you without some kind of report to the sensors. I will now read the rest of the thread . . . I wanted to state this before I went any further.
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Well good for you. It is an easy posh life by comparison to living the blue collar life for your whole life. I know plenty of people who had addiction problems and the ones who lived basically beat it by growing the hell up.
 
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dupe post.
 
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Hicup said:
Beats me, but apparently he's off the drugs...

That's a start..


Tim-
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Jay from Jay and Silent Bob was on that same path and cleaned up his act I heard.
 
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poweRob said:
Well good for you. It is an easy posh life by comparison to living the blue collar life for your whole life. I know plenty of people who had addiction problems and the ones who lived basically beat it by growing the hell up.
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Yep, and sometimes they don't . . . they just die . . . it ain't about growing up. Everyone has a different bottom. Sometimes . . . the disease is just so bad, you die. So, while you RIP the arsehole . . . I'll think about his kids. I'm as blue collar, rednecked and white haired as you can get (SKYNYRD). The grass is always greener over the septic tank (BOMBECK). I am sorry you wish for more and can't achieve it . . . that doesn't mean a fake RIP is necessary. If it makes you feel better about yourself, more power(Rob) to you.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Yep, and sometimes they don't . . . they just die . . . it ain't about growing up. Everyone has a different bottom. Sometimes . . . the disease is just so bad, you die. So, while you RIP the arsehole . . . I'll think about his kids. I'm as blue collar, rednecked and white haired as you can get (SKYNYRD). The grass is always greener over the septic tank (BOMBECK). I am sorry you wish for more and can't achieve it . . . that doesn't mean a fake RIP is necessary. If it makes you feel better about yourself, more power(Rob) to you.
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It's not a fake RIP. You can play the fake high-horse martyr all you want. I really really liked this guy's work. It was awesome. His range seemed without limits. It just infuriates me to have seen him piss it all away for a high.
 
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poweRob said:
It's not a fake RIP. You can play the fake high-horse martyr all you want. I really really liked this guy's work. It was awesome. His range seemed without limits. It just infuriates me to have seen him piss it all away for a high.
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Did you physically punch something inanimate?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
The more dead junkies the better, start thinning the herd.
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The internet: making sociopathy mainstream since 1993.
 
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Unbelievably great actor. One of my favorites. Perhaps his best role was one of his most unknown - and telling, apparently - in Owning Mahoney.

Tremendous in Almost Famous, Capote, Boogie Nights, pretty much everything he did.

That said, this ticks me off. Very little sympathy from here. Self-inflicted misery and catastrophe doesn't deserve the same pity as others. It's often an indication of overly inflated self-importance.

To much is given, much is required, and Hoffman failed. Especially, he failed his children.
 
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Erod said:
Unbelievably great actor. One of my favorites. Perhaps his best role was one of his most unknown - and telling, apparently - in Owning Mahoney.

Tremendous in Almost Famous, Capote, Boogie Nights, pretty much everything he did.

That said, this ticks me off. Very little sympathy from here. Self-inflicted misery and catastrophe doesn't deserve the same pity as others. It's often an indication of overly inflated self-importance.

To much is given, much is required, and Hoffman failed. Especially, he failed his children.
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I agree, what kind of idiot does this with three young kids at home? It appears his true character was closer to this role he played not that long ago:

 
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Northern Light said:
The very guilting
and shaming in this thread is a product of ignorance and fear, and is the reason why brilliant, sensitive people like Hoffman turn to drugs in the first place, and stay on them in secret. On one hand people will acknowledge that he was a highly talented actor but it seems like a platitude because they fail to realize the kind of intimate understanding of human nature and intense empathy that these kinds of actors have in order to make them big screen material. Then they are thrown into fame and fortune, and it's too much. Societal ignorance and fear keeps these people isolated so that they feel they have to deal with their demons alone. Same thing happens with highly talented musicians all the time.

What does it matter that he is rich and famous? That is all the more isolating. People who claim he had everything and stupidly threw it away are the kind of people who think money can buy happiness if you just have a lot of it.

He recently lost his kids to a custody battle. That's just the kind of thing that would toss a former addict back into turmoil. Most rehab programs in the United States have a very intense anti-drug angle, otherwise they wouldn't get licensed; and people who relapse tend to be worse off because they have had new anti-drug programming put into them by rehab which makes them feel unable to reveal the relapse to anyone.

That kind of isolation plus the low tolerance of sobriety is the perfect recipe for disaster. It's our anti-drug culture courtesy of nanny government, lack of any widespread harm reduction models, and the intense denial of addiction as DISEASE that creates the casualties. NYC doesn't even have a safe injection site with harm reduction resources. In a city that big, it's a crying shame.

Yes PSH is personally responsible for his own actions, but you can't just peg it all on him like he was some careless derelict junkie. Mental health issues are complicated and in isolation they can be deadly.
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He WAS a careless drug addict. In fact, the description " careless drug addict " is redundant.

HEROIN USE is a recipe for disaster and no, he doesn't get a pass becauss he shouldering the stress of. forrtune and fame.

If there was ever a prime example for the continued prosecution of drug dealers and drug dealers, this is it.

Drug addicts are selfish individuals. You mentioned his kids. He was kicked out of his home he shared with them because he was doing heroin.

He knew how to get help, he knew there were people and doctors and proffesionals that could help, he could AFFORD that help but he chose the dope.

I agree, drug addicts need help, but justifuing their self destructive behavior by claiming we should change our minds on the benefits of sobriety is counter productive.

Addicts don't need more excuses and justifications. They don't need to hear some nonsense like " its societies fault, and the war on drugs fault, not yours ", they need to hear the truth.

That if they continue they are going to DIE.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Sorry, no love for a horse junkie that is willing to kill himself for his next high.
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Truly you are faultless. Go. Go now and become a being of pure energy and light.
 
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Cardinal said:
Truly you are faultless. Go. Go now and become a being of pure energy and light.
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Believe it or not, there are a lot of us that work, take care of our children, stay married to one person, and never touch illicit drugs or break major laws.

I know that's virtually impossible for a liberal to comprehend. But we're out here, paying the freight.
 
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Erod said:
Believe it or not, there are a lot of us that work, take care of our children, stay married to one person, and never touch illicit drugs or break major laws.

I know that's virtually impossible for a liberal to comprehend. But we're out here, paying the freight.
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Thank you for your self-marketed and self-packaged persona, but I don't recall Hoffman marketing himself as a drug addict either.
 
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Erod said:
Believe it or not, there are a lot of us that work, take care of our children, stay married to one person, and never touch illicit drugs or break major laws.

I know that's virtually impossible for a liberal to comprehend. But we're out here, paying the freight.
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I wouldn't get too smug. It's not your fault you're not an addict.
 
Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

Cardinal said:
Truly you are faultless. Go. Go now and become a being of pure energy and light.
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I have my faults and my crosses to bear. But I don't stick poison in my arm and call it a good time. I am not weak of mind or spirit that I need to walk the edge of death to feel alive.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I have my faults and my crosses to bear. But I don't stick poison in my arm and call it a good time. I am not weak of mind or spirit that I need to walk the edge of death to feel alive.
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And what are those faults?
 
Re: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

Cardinal said:
Thank you for your self-marketed and self-packaged persona, but I don't recall Hoffman marketing himself as a drug addict either.
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Yeah, don't you see, Erod? Since you can't prove you aren't a drug addict obviously you are an addict!

Drug addicts literally can't imagine a life without drugs, so you can't expect them to ever understand that such a life is actually possible.
 
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jmotivator said:
Yeah, don't you see, Erod? Since you can't prove you aren't a drug addict obviously you are an addict!

Drug addicts literally can't imagine a life without drugs, so you can't expect them to ever understand that such a life is actually possible.
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I wasn't calling Erod a drug addict, I was just saying what's the point of going on how he advertises himself? Almost nobody advertises their faults, just as Hoffman didn't advertise he was a drug addict.
 
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