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Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply

I'm not aware of much rain in the drought-stricken southwest; going on decades.
Could have fooled me.
This past summer was somewhat mild, and the current winter is about the coldest I can remember in some years.
Winter snows are gobbled up by areas just east of the front range.
Damming of the Arkansas to be tunnelled through to Colorado City to water lawns is a pretty hot issue, with flooding of US 24 and all.
 
1,187 golf courses times one million gallons a day, his numbers, is well over a billion gallons a day, what he said.
A million gallons?
Not a million gallons, what you said .:peace
 
I don't suppose over-irrigating for decades has helped, eh radio?

Vegas tries to claim they recycle 94% of their water used.
The overall drought in the Southwest for decades has caught up.
The Ogallalla aquifer under Nebraska has taken a bit hit also .

De-salinization plants, no golf courses, no ice cubes.
I don't want to live in a world without scotch on the rocks.
Broncos by 10.
 
I'm not aware of much rain in the drought-stricken southwest; going on decades.

Winter snows are gobbled up by areas just east of the front range.
Damming of the Arkansas to be tunnelled through to Colorado City to water lawns is a pretty hot issue, with flooding of US 24 and all.


Misunderstanding, methinks. Someone said the South; I figured they meant my part. SE.
 
De-salinization plants, no golf courses, no ice cubes.
Weren't the Saudis towing ice bergs for de-salinization?
I don't want to live in a world without scotch on the rocks.
Mandatory recycling for everything is the key.
Empty the landfills.
Think like the greats--da Vinci, Einstein, Newton, Lincoln, etc.--what will it be like in a 100 years--not tomorrow
Broncos by 10.

Broncos by 4 or 5, can't decide yet.
23-19 or 24-19, lots of FGs for Seattle .
 
1,187 golf courses times one million gallons a day, his numbers, is well over a billion gallons a day, what he said.

Not a million gallons, what you said .:peace

He said a golf course--meaning all golf courses--use 1 million gallons of water, a day. That's what I was referring to.
 
Too bad our infrastructure sucks so bad we can't transport the southeastern/eastern flooding to the western drought.
It would be upwill and require energy but could parallel the interstates, etc..
Misunderstanding, methinks. Someone said the South; I figured they meant my part. SE.
We will have big floods this spring in my northern Illinois--no thaws--continued snowing--frozen river back-ups.
Wasted flood water.
But not in a hundred years I hope .
 
I should check his link--and talk to those I know who run golf courses.
Thanks .
He said a golf course--meaning all golf courses--use 1 million gallons of water, a day. That's what I was referring to.
 
Too bad our infrastructure sucks so bad we can't transport the southeastern/eastern flooding to the western drought.
It would be upwill and require energy but could parallel the interstates, etc..

We will have big floods this spring in my northern Illinois--no thaws--continued snowing--frozen river back-ups.
Wasted flood water.
But not in a hundred years I hope .

What infrastructure are you referring to? The infrastructure that would allow the practical transfer of those flood waters doesn't exist.

Moving flood water from the Mississippi Valley, westward, is a good idea, BTW. The only practical way to ship that water would be pipelines.
 
What infrastructure are you referring to? The infrastructure that would allow the practical transfer of those flood waters doesn't exist.

Moving flood water from the Mississippi Valley, westward, is a good idea, BTW. The only practical way to ship that water would be pipelines.


This would take a massive public investment
 
There has been a 14 year drought in this part of the US and if it goes on much longer Las Vegas will be a ghost town. If you own real estate there you should get while the gettin is good. Vegas may be the next Salton Sea resort area.

•••No. I'm not going. You'll se why in the rest of these responses.


LAKE MEAD, Nev.
- When you head out on Nevada's Lake Mead, the first thing you notice is a white line. That's where the water used to be.
What did this look like a decade ago?
"This was all underwater," said Pat Mulroy, the general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. "I mean boats were everywhere. There was a whole marina here."
Mulroy said that the drought began 14 years ago. Satellite photos show the Colorado River, which feeds Lake Mead, is drying up -- so the lake is rapidly shrinking. Islands are growing, and boats are floating far from where they once were.

Lake Mead is shrinking -- and with it Las Vegas' water supply - CBS News

My prediction? I think we're on the verge of a major uptick in desalination investment generally, with big surge (the new San Diego plant will be online soon) probably coming to California over the next decade. Match that with encouraging developments in desalination efficiency, reduction in energy waste, and the application of new cutting edge materials (the most commonly cited one being graphene) and I think you have a good recipe for how developed countries will successfully tackle their water shortages.

••Israel has been working on desalination for many decades. I'm guessing© the technology has been pretty advanced. The only real barrier is the cost.

Why do I have the suspicion that Las Vegas, LA and the others in So Cal will find their water and our food prices will soar so that Hollywood and Beverly Hills can water it's lawns while casinos still out on shows with fountains and pools?

••I certainly hope so. We'll pay off whomever we have to.

I would love to see Las Vegas as a ghost town. It's already a wasteland in many ways. It might even be the source for the next zombie apocolypse.

••Gee. Thanks. Can the cats and I move in with you? Just for a few years?

Maybe, I have seen several zombie-like creatures wandering around downtown Vegas.
Actually, I'm not too worried about the zombies.
As long as they're the traditional lurching around types a la "Walking Dead" or "Night of the Living Dead".
Those guys are easy enough to dodge and outrun.
But if the zombies are like those fast, relentless ones in "World War Z".....big problems.
Maybe I should stay in Reno.

••Believe it or not, our zombie population has been shrinking. You can go hours without sighting one.

Is Las Vegas even needed any more?

At one time it was thought putting a city out of the middle of a dessert to offer legalized gambling would bring in the masses. And it did. But now you can legally gamble downtown at the local Winn-Dixie with lottery pulls.
Las Vegas saw their unique legalized gambling becoming not so unique so they attempted to seek survival by offering entertainment for family and adults. This worked for awhile but nobody can exist without water.

Las Vegas will become a larger Reno . And when was the last time you ever heard of someone going to Reno for a vacation?

••Las Vegas is already (finally) developing a new source of economic revenue. We are in the process of becoming the center for clouds. Our University has gone from utterly lame to one of the top 10.

Desalination is extremely expensive. It may provide some relief to urban Calif if they really conserve but I doubt the farmers will ever see it, that or a Calif strawberry will cost 10 bucks.

••Water is way too cheap. Once it cost 50¢ to take a shower, you'll see a big change in people's habits.

I'll also point out that Las Vegas is a great place to live. Low cost of living. Plenty of entertainment. 24/7 businesses. Plenty of parking. The city is flat, easy to develope but we are ringed by beautiful mountains. The weather is moderate, just a couple of blazing hot Summer and yes, it's a DRY heat.

Las Vegas is recovering in a healthy way. The losers moved away after the housing bust. The technology people are moving in. I went to a First Friday event recently and I was stunned by how the population has changed. So many "normal" people, nicely dressed, having fun. The changes are unbelievable to an old-timer like me.

There is no more of this lawn stuff. Almost everyone has gone to desert landscaping. I expect that once water doubles in price, there will be plenty. We don't grow crops so unlike CA, we don't really NEED water.

Now, obviously, I want all this to work out. And I think it will. Now, the CA crop issue is a lot more scary. Food is very important.
 
This would take a massive public investment

Only a partial one. Part of the construction could be paid for by private investors, if a market could be created.

Even if it had to be publically funded, it would be a worthwhile investment if 1) it was done smart and 2) wasn't awash with fraud.
 
We are decades from doing this.
But we have had great Presidents with Great ideas.
Four of them are on Mount Rushmore.
If we can pipeline fossil fuels, we can pipeline water.
Don't mention the Great Lakes though--those folks get a little touchy also.
What infrastructure are you referring to? The infrastructure that would allow the practical transfer of those flood waters doesn't exist.

Moving flood water from the Mississippi Valley, westward, is a good idea, BTW. The only practical way to ship that water would be pipelines.

Which I agree with.
My dream is of a "super-material" low in the atmosphere funneling the water into relay pipes.
Resupplying aquifers like Ogallalla wouldn't hurt.
Last I saw, "they" estimated it was 30% depleted.

In the west/southwest, there is no greater fight than water, as sawyer can attest to.
I have been fortunate to travel some 40 years out west.

Dad was stationed at Travis AFB from '61 to '64.
When it became the gateway to Vietnam, he was transferred to Scott AFB, the medical field.
As an Air Force brat, traveling is in my blood .
 
You asked...I answered.

I see. So we can trust your answers to be dishonest. Got it. I will encourage others, however, to put the phrase in its full context for its correct intent and meaning.
 
With the size of pipelines for energy criss crossing our Nation, it baffles me why labor intensive water pipeline projects are not on the Federal bucket list. They could use solar PV to pump the water even. More importantly, it could create lots of construction jobs, boost economies and perhaps prevent some water wars.
 
I see. So we can trust your answers to be dishonest. Got it. I will encourage others, however, to put the phrase in its full context for its correct intent and meaning.

Likewise, we can trust your questions to be flamebait.
 
With the size of pipelines for energy criss crossing our Nation, it baffles me why labor intensive water pipeline projects are not on the Federal bucket list. They could use solar PV to pump the water even. More importantly, it could create lots of construction jobs, boost economies and perhaps prevent some water wars.

The tree huggers would go bezerk.
 
The state of Utah has always impressed me, since I first went out there to Vernal in 1973.
Lots of energy-producing plants and my buddies were Union of every type.
They still had alcohol restrictions so we had to bring our own beer.
This would take a massive public investment
Utah has had a string of very good governors.
The Mormons are as brilliant as the Israelis when it comes to using their resources.
They have done some "very minor" public/private ventures with their roads and rest stops.
The Mormon church is fabulously wealty and they are reproducing at an impressive rate.

I would trust Utah to be a leader in the engineering needed to move water from East to West .
 
The tree huggers would go bezerk.

I don't believe it would bother us tree huggers one iota. We're talkin' water not energy pollution.
 
I guess you haven't met loyal Democrats who have very different leans, depending on the issue.
The tree huggers would go bezerk.
For instance, I like Sen. Boxer but she can piss off on the Keystone pipe.
That doesn't mean I support it as now outlined.
This is a "regional" issue and I believe our politics are moving back to regionalism, though too slowly.
I would support some kind of vote by the sum total of the SIX directly affected states.

As you may have noticed, the "Farm" bill has loads of regional issues .
 
The state of Utah has always impressed me, since I first went out there to Vernal in 1973.
Lots of energy-producing plants and my buddies were Union of every type.
They still had alcohol restrictions so we had to bring our own beer.

Utah has had a string of very good governors.
The Mormons are as brilliant as the Israelis when it comes to using their resources.
They have done some "very minor" public/private ventures with their roads and rest stops.
The Mormon church is fabulously wealty and they are reproducing at an impressive rate.

I would trust Utah to be a leader in the engineering needed to move water from East to West .

The oil & gas industry would have to be the leader of such an endeavor.
 
I guess you haven't met loyal Democrats who have very different leans, depending on the issue.

For instance, I like Sen. Boxer but she can piss off on the Keystone pipe.
That doesn't mean I support it as now outlined.
This is a "regional" issue and I believe our politics are moving back to regionalism, though too slowly.
I would support some kind of vote by the sum total of the SIX directly affected states.

As you may have noticed, the "Farm" bill has loads of regional issues .

Point well taken; the tree huggers would go bezerk. It's a given. There are tree huggers that protest against wind and solar farms. You can bet your ass that there are tree huggers that are going to flip their lids over a massive water pipeline running half way across the country.
 
I don't believe it would bother us tree huggers one iota. We're talkin' water not energy pollution.

Tree huggers fight tooth and nail to stop wind and solar farms.
 
I would keep the oil and gas industry as far away from water as possible.
They've certainly done their share of damage to our water.
besides, aren't they already into us for enough.
No, I think your idea of public/private is the way to go, and Utah has already done it.
The oil & gas industry would have to be the leader of such an endeavor.
Hell, in a hundred years the pipeline could be self-expandable so as to not be affected by a bad earthquake.
I see this as a "Go To The Moon" time, not because it's there, but because we have toThe trip to the moon gave us technology that continues to multiply to this day .
 
I would keep the oil and gas industry as far away from water as possible.
They've certainly done their share of damage to our water.
besides, aren't they already into us for enough.
No, I think your idea of public/private is the way to go, and Utah has already done it.

Hell, in a hundred years the pipeline could be self-expandable so as to not be affected by a bad earthquake.
I see this as a "Go To The Moon" time, not because it's there, but because we have toThe trip to the moon gave us technology that continues to multiply to this day .

You keep the oil & gas industry out of the engineering process and you'll have a pipeline that will be designed by people who have never built a pipeline in their lives. Why would you not exploit the knowledge and experience of the people who invented pipelines?
 
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