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Christie Linked to Knowledge of Shut Lanes

humbolt said:
I doubt this will last that long. This is fodder only as long as nothing more important is on the table. It may be important for Christie, but beyond that it has no legs. I don't think the kerfuffle over some lane closures translates into anything meaningful for national politics other than the fact that Christie may or may not be involved. If he is involved, he's done nationally. If not, then he may have a national future, but that was not a certainty to start with in spite of all the hoopla to the contrary.
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Good summary HB.....truthfully Christie rocked California and then the MS media was jumping on the bandwagon. Course word was Demos were siding with him Jersey. Then the Polls came out on how well he relates with Hispanics. Ever since then.....its been a full court press by the MS and Demos to catch dirt and hook-em up.
 
Perotista said:
For the life of me, I can't understand how you and Sangha can be so proud as to force a minority's will onto the majority.
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USA history is replete with the Congress going against public opinion, for the "good of the Nation", in their opinion.
The public rarely has all the facts and is easily swayed in this day and age with with Citizens United money.
The ACA wasn't some civil rights legislation or something dealing with equal rights,
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Removing the worry of being uninsured seems like a Civil right to me.
it was nothing but a pure party agenda that jumped in and passed something that the majority of Americans view as against their will and well being.
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As sangha said, the GOP had plenty of input into the process, well-chronicled.
Their blanket opposition is just as bad as the DEMs blanket support, to be fair.
The party elites, the elites of Washington who are saying they know better what is good for Americans than Americans themselves. Those dumb American people, they know nothing. Us elites will have to save them from themselves.
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Our Nation was founded by Elites who knew what was best for their people.
Dang it, I was in a good mood, not anymore.
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You know me well enough to know that was not my intention.
Your knowledge of Asian techniques of mediation should take you forth grasshopper .
 
Right now there are two Republicans, Christie and McDonnell taking some very bad hits in the media. I just read a piece that former Governor McDonnell of Virginia and his wife are in really deep doo doo being charged with 14 felony counts and the Republican establishment are not coming to his aid. Yet not too long ago he was one of their darlings just like Christie. Just a handful of people have donated to his defense fund. If there is proof of Christie knowing about the bridge closings after emphatically denying it, then he is history. I hope the accusations are unfounded because it really ends up harming the party in general. At Buzzfeed they were reporting before this story broke that some big wigs in the party were really concerned over Christie and many were waiting for the other shoe to drop. If this story turns out to be true, it's definitely the other shoe.

Chris Christie's Crisis Plunges Republican Party Deeper Into The Wilderness
 
NIMBY said:
Where is the evidence, huh?
Even Gov. Christie's office admitted yesterday that he knew "during" the lane closures of the "lane closures".
They just haven't said when.

I only count two that have taken the 5th, presumably waiting for immunity.
I don't imagine this was the Super weekend for which Christie was looking .
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Is there any evidence he ordered the lane closing? No, so he told a lie. Kinda like " I did NOT have sex with that woman..." , or "if you like your health plan you can keep it... period.."
 
MMC said:
Good summary HB.....truthfully Christie rocked California and then the MS media was jumping on the bandwagon. Course word was Demos were siding with him Jersey. Then the Polls came out on how well he relates with Hispanics. Ever since then.....its been a full court press by the MS and Demos to catch dirt and hook-em up.
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Christie is a perceived threat to the dems because he could win in 2016 by their own calculations and incantations. My feeling is that unless the dems can find a way to stimulate a stagnant economy, they're toast anyway. It won't matter whether it's Christie or another. That's assuming the repubs aren't stupid enough to nominate another weak candidate, and that remains to be seen. If Christie is left standing at the end of all of this, they're really going to have a problem.
 
humbolt said:
Christie is a perceived threat to the dems because he could win in 2016 by their own calculations and incantations. My feeling is that unless the dems can find a way to stimulate a stagnant economy, they're toast anyway. It won't matter whether it's Christie or another. That's assuming the repubs aren't stupid enough to nominate another weak candidate, and that remains to be seen. If Christie is left standing at the end of all of this, they're really going to have a problem.
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Oh I think so to.....Obama's falsehood with the economy is just one part. After March his repeated failure of the care package will be center stage once more.

The Tea partiers.....aren't going to back Christie. Either way, IMO. They may say otherwise. Maybe if he is the Nominee only and its either him or the lost cause.
 
MMC said:
Oh I think so to.....Obama's falsehood with the economy is just one part. After March his repeated failure of the care package will be center stage once more.

The Tea partiers.....aren't going to back Christie. Either way, IMO. They may say otherwise. Maybe if he is the Nominee only and its either him or the lost cause.
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I agree. The TP isn't going to field a third party candidate and I don't think anybody else on the right will try as long as a reasonable candidate is found. (I only hope the Rove's of the right keep their powder dry during the nomination process - an empty, pointless hope I'm sure. Those people do more to alienate parts of the right than anything the left can do). Obama has said the ACA isn't going away, so I guess he's going to have to live with the consequences - and drag down his party in the process. When one sows the seeds of one's own demise, the best the enemy can do is offer some water and fertilizer. I hope for a little more emphasis on the constitutionality of the delays in implementation Obama has directed. I admit I haven't kept up with that.
 
mak2 said:
Christie says he did not know, yet he was with the person who ordered it that entire day. Why does he get a pass yet Obama is suppose to know what is going on in some low level office hundreds of miles away?

Wasn't Herman Cain harassing employess, then uh, I guess the left lied about the payoffs, I am sure that never happened...I am sure it was some left infiltrating...it would just be work to be a right winger now days. I dont think I could keep up with all this victim stuff.
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Yes he knew about the shut down that he was told that they were doing a traffic study not shutting it down on purpose to get back at a mayor. there is a difference.
he admits that he knew about the shut down. what he doesn't admit to is that he knew the correct reason.

the difference is that Obama knew about the attack and did nothing.

no herman cain wasn't harassing the employee's. out of all the people that claimed all the things he only knew one of them. the one lady he knew he had helped out before when she got into a financial spot. she kept coming back to him for money and the one time he said no she makes a false claim.

all of this is proven fact.
 
I think the only fact is all of that is the Company paid to shut the lady up. If he was not guilty, why would they pay?
ludin said:
Yes he knew about the shut down that he was told that they were doing a traffic study not shutting it down on purpose to get back at a mayor. there is a difference.
he admits that he knew about the shut down. what he doesn't admit to is that he knew the correct reason.

the difference is that Obama knew about the attack and did nothing.

no herman cain wasn't harassing the employee's. out of all the people that claimed all the things he only knew one of them. the one lady he knew he had helped out before when she got into a financial spot. she kept coming back to him for money and the one time he said no she makes a false claim.

all of this is proven fact.
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Woodman909 said:
Is there any evidence he ordered the lane closing?
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Did I accuse that--NO--Next.
No, so he told a lie.
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Focus--think 5th amendment and immunity.
Today a drib, tomorrow a drab, forever in the history books.
Kinda like " I did NOT have sex with that woman
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And then derail to Clinton/Lewinsky.
"if you like your health plan you can keep it... period.."
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Oh look, a second derail, to Obama ............
 
Perotista said:
Perhaps, I know there is no going back. But I will not back or vote for any candidate who supports it. Forcing something on the American people who did not want is completely wrong and as far as I am concerned, more unethical than Christie's bridgegate. This was pure party wants over American wants. party first politics, loyalty to party which included giving bribes to certain senators to get them to vote for it when arm twisting didn't work. The cornhusker kickback and the LA purchase.

For the life of me, I can't understand how you and Sangha can be so proud as to force a minority's will onto the majority. The ACA wasn't some civil rights legislation or something dealing with equal rights, it was nothing but a pure party agenda that jumped in and passed something that the majority of Americans view as against their will and well being. The party elites, the elites of Washington who are saying they know better what is good for Americans than Americans themselves. Those dumb American people, they know nothing. Us elites will have to save them from themselves.

Dang it, I was in a good mood, not anymore.
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People generally like America, which is why so many emigrate here. However, America and the government are not the same thing. In 1958, 73 percent of the American people said they trusted government. Today the number is 19 percent, and dropping. Political gamesmanship, putting party over country, is taking its toll. I don't know if it's just me, but little makes sense these days. People not following our laws because they don't feel like it; extreme divisiveness is being encouraged so we dislike each other because some have more than others do; scandal after scandal is occurring, but few are ever held responsible; the will of the people is being ignored in many cases; and government keeps over-reaching and getting bigger and more intrusive all the time.

I read an interesting example recently: A million 1-dollar bills tightly stacked is 333 feet high; a billion is more than 63 miles high; and a trillion is 63,000 miles high. Our debt is currently 17 trillion dollars! The closest distance between Mars and Earth is approximately 128 million miles according to Space.com. I'm not good at math, but I wonder what the Martians would think if green pieces of paper suddenly started floating down from their sky.... :mrgreen: How are the plans for the time machine coming along....
 
MMC said:
Oh I think so to.....Obama's falsehood with the economy is just one part. After March his repeated failure of the care package will be center stage once more.
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"i've got Obama on my mind" could be a them song for ya.
Feel free to use it in one of your columns.

The Tea partiers.....aren't going to back Christie.
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TEAs were never with Christie.
They were going to split and give Christie the nomination, like with Romney.
They didn't really back Romney either, did they, since so many stayed home--3rd party--or just left it blank.
Either way, IMO. They may say otherwise. Maybe if he is the Nominee only and its either him or the lost cause.
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Christie will do well not to have health problems and finish his term.
A far greater problem is the Hurricane money and a pattern of extortion .
 
NIMBY said:
USA history is replete with the Congress going against public opinion, for the "good of the Nation", in their opinion.
The public rarely has all the facts and is easily swayed in this day and age with with Citizens United money.

Removing the worry of being uninsured seems like a Civil right to me.

As sangha said, the GOP had plenty of input into the process, well-chronicled.
Their blanket opposition is just as bad as the DEMs blanket support, to be fair.

Our Nation was founded by Elites who knew what was best for their people.
You know me well enough to know that was not my intention.
Your knowledge of Asian techniques of mediation should take you forth grasshopper .
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I know, but one can become irritated. I just wish they would have taken what the American people thought and wished into their thoughts instead of only thinking party agenda. Yeah, both parties are like that and that is why I can't ever belong to either one.
 
polgara said:
People generally like America, which is why so many emigrate here. However, America and the government are not the same thing. In 1958, 73 percent of the American people said they trusted government. Today the number is 19 percent, and dropping. Political gamesmanship, putting party over country, is taking its toll. I don't know if it's just me, but little makes sense these days. People not following our laws because they don't feel like it; extreme divisiveness is being encouraged so we dislike each other because some have more than others do; scandal after scandal is occurring, but few are ever held responsible; the will of the people is being ignored in many cases; and government keeps over-reaching and getting bigger and more intrusive all the time.

I read an interesting example recently: A million 1-dollar bills tightly stacked is 333 feet high; a billion is more than 63 miles high; and a trillion is 63,000 miles high. Our debt is currently 17 trillion dollars! The closest distance between Mars and Earth is approximately 128 million miles according to Space.com. I'm not good at math, but I wonder what the Martians would think if green pieces of paper suddenly started floating down from their sky.... :mrgreen: How are the plans for the time machine coming along....
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Yeah, as a child of the 50’s I can remember when pretty much every American trusted their government to do what was right. Having Eisenhower as president probably helped that in a big way. 19% huh. That may be high in today’s day and age. I do not trust either party or candidates or presidents to do what is right for America, only what is right for their political party. 1958, according to Pew Research 82% of all Americans identified/associated themselves with the two major parties while only 18% said they were independents. Today 53% identify with the two major parties and 47% of us say we are independents. The reasons are most likely what you just stated. Total lack of trust in government and the political parties.

I’m working on the time machine, not ready yet. Shall I save you a seat?
 
As for the thread, I just switched to FOX to see what else is going on besides christie.
Now that he admits to knowing of it during the time it was happening, how did Christie respond?
Perotista said:
I know, but one can become irritated. I just wish they would have taken what the American people thought and wished into their thoughts instead of only thinking party agenda. Yeah, both parties are like that and that is why I can't ever belong to either one.
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FOX is on the equipment scandal, a real scandal not political, which may or may not involve Eli.

Btw, Mr. Clinton has now directly entered the "save-the-Senate" campaign as of the last few hours .
 
NIMBY said:
As for the thread, I just switched to FOX to see what else is going on besides christie.
Now that he admits to knowing of it during the time it was happening, how did Christie respond?

FOX is on the equipment scandal, a real scandal not political, which may or may not involve Eli.

Btw, Mr. Clinton has now directly entered the "save-the-Senate" campaign as of the last few hours .
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Greetings, Nimby. :2wave:

I thought I read that he said he was advised by the Port Authority as it was happening. I thought his claim has been that he didn't order the closures. Am I mistaken?

What equipment scandal...Information overload here...I can't keep up!
 
NIMBY said:
As for the thread, I just switched to FOX to see what else is going on besides christie.
Now that he admits to knowing of it during the time it was happening, how did Christie respond?

FOX is on the equipment scandal, a real scandal not political, which may or may not involve Eli.

Btw, Mr. Clinton has now directly entered the "save-the-Senate" campaign as of the last few hours .
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As a numbers guy, up and until bridgegate Christie had an excellent chance in the electoral college of becoming the next president. His chances were far better than any other candidate mentioned by the media and whom we keep track of. In fact using simulations of the information I have he was the only one capable of winning. Jeb Bush although he loses, comes the closest to winning besides Christie.

I have a feeling sitting senators like Hagan, Landrieu, Pryor will welcome the campaigning of Bill Clinton anytime while running away, having some other engagement if the president goes into their state like Hagan and Landrieu have done already. It isn't that I fault them in doing so, after all survival is the number one law of politics and a lot of Republicans ran away from Bush in 2008. In the south, CLinton is a good ally to have. I don't know about the north, but the north is pretty much all blue country anyway.
 
Perotista said:
As a numbers guy, up and until bridgegate Christie had an excellent chance in the electoral college of becoming the next president. His chances were far better than any other candidate mentioned by the media and whom we keep track of. In fact using simulations of the information I have he was the only one capable of winning. Jeb Bush although he loses, comes the closest to winning besides Christie.

I have a feeling sitting senators like Hagan, Landrieu, Pryor will welcome the campaigning of Bill Clinton anytime while running away, having some other engagement if the president goes into their state like Hagan and Landrieu have done already. It isn't that I fault them in doing so, after all survival is the number one law of politics and a lot of Republicans ran away from Bush in 2008. In the south, CLinton is a good ally to have. I don't know about the north, but the north is pretty much all blue country anyway.
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I just read your Feb 1 blog! :thumbs: Thanks for all your hard work, Pero! What a "hobby" you have....
 
jamesrage said:
This seems to be the claim made by every liberal.
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I buy into it, which is also why I am admitting to have not abandoned hope that the allegations won't pan out. Christie was closest politically to me, but I can certainly consider aligning myself with a Jeb Bush or perhaps a Rubio.
 
polgara said:
I just read your Feb 1 blog! :thumbs: Thanks for all your hard work, Pero! What a "hobby" you have....
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It is a natural love. Numbers do not lie unless one manipulates them to do so. In my hobby trends are most important. Of course this far out it is anyone's guess what will really happen. Once names gets placed one can be more certain. But needing a net gain of 6 seats, having a 50-50 shot of obtaining that objective this far out is encouraging. But in 2012 it was right around this time of the year that another 6 or 7 seat prospective gain for the GOP started falling by the wayside and they ended up losing two seats. Names and candidates are what count, how many Aiken's and Mourdock's will emerge this year that turn victory into defeat? Stay tuned as they say.
 
Deuce said:
No, really it was that we loved how much Republicans spewed hatred. We love watching the GOP devour itself and turn on anyone who would dare offer any praise for Obama, even if the praise were deserved in that situation. If Ted Cruz dropped a piece of paper and Obama picked it up for him, Cruz would have to avoid saying "thanks" or else his entire base would crucify him. It's really entertaining.
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I praised Obama when bin Laden was killed.
 
Perotista said:
Getting ahead of ourselves a bit here aren't we. I would like to see 2014 in the books before we even begin on 2016. Although it is fun, Ryan, Jeb Bush and Huckabee have overtaken Christie in the latest polls on the republican nomination. Paul is 5th and Cruz 6th.
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Until this whole scandal with Christie I really liked the guy. Now I don't know about him. I think Jeb Bush is the Republicans best shot in 2016 because he is smart, well spoken, not crazy, and he might have a shot at making it through the primaries. Take it from someone born and raised in Arkansas, Huckabee would be an absolute disaster for the GOP in 2016 if he were there nominee. Aside from his extreme social conservativeness which would hurt him with a lot of the electorate, he has his own Willie Horton with Wayne DuMond. Wayne DuMond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem the GOP has these days is the base has a few too many nutters in it, so they don't get quality candidates to even try for the nomination (instead its largely a clown show). Until they figure that out and quite moving so far to the right, they are going to have a hard time winning a national election again.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Nimby. :2wave:

I thought I read that he said he was advised by the Port Authority as it was happening.
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That is correct.
My question to that is what did he do in response to being advised.
I thought his claim has been that he didn't order the closures. Am I mistaken?
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I can't imagine him doing that.
His people certainly didn't serve him very well.
It'll take a lot to get me to back him again.
Would have been my first general GOP vote since 1980.

What equipment scandal...Information overload here...I can't keep up!
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It could be pretty messy.
A guy who was in trouble a few years ago is suing the New York Giants over game memorabilia .
FOX has been carrying it.
FOX has me for now on remote since they have the Super Bowl .
 
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Fiddytree said:
but I can certainly consider aligning myself with a Jeb Bush or perhaps a Rubio.
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I consider Jeb Bush to still be alive since he hasn't said no.
He has kept himself active.
He must be careful with hot-button issues with the TEAs.

Mr. Rubio is booed and poorly treated by the TEA-party after his immigration bill and should just focus on being a consensus Senator.
 
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