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Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says

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Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says - CNN.com

(CNN) -- Marie Mills held her 77-year-old father, who had collapsed outside in a Washington street. She screamed for help.A passerby rushed across the street to bang on the door of a fire station, knowing that firefighters are trained to provide emergency medical help.
But they wouldn't leave the station.
The same thing happened when two more people tried to summon the firefighters for assistance, Mills says.

"We looked across the street at the fire station. There was a firefighter that was actually standing against the fire apparatus," she told CNN affiliate WJLA. "Everybody started trying to wave him over." But the firefighter said he had to be dispatched first.


If this is actually what happened......

Emergency Response can't respond without a "proper 911" call????

They can't walk/run across the street????
 
Maybe it's a requirement in their union contract...

If that's the case...I hope they get sued into oblivion.

If you're trained to save lives, and that's your chosen profession, and you personally witness a person in an obviously life-threatening situation, but refuse to help..... then a giant F U to you and I hope hell exists just for those kinds of people.

(not you personally Disputatious71)
 
Hard to get your head around that.

Reminds me of the story i saw here a couple of years ago where firefighters made the effort to attend the burning home of someone who hadn't paid their $80 taxes - or some ridiculously low amount. They stood there and watched his house burn to the ground. Yeah i know, the homeowner messed up, he didn't pay that $80 bucks. Still the firefighters took the time to go there and stood and watched it burn. How about put out the fire and get the $80 later. Common sense prevails. How any firefighter or someone trained in life saving techniques can just stand there and do nothing is beyond me.

Firefighters put out fires and administer life saving techniques to those that require them. At least that's what they're trained to do until idiotic rules come into play.
 
Not one paramedic I know working for the fire departments in Arizona would refuse to help. It's what they do.
 
A friend tried to call 911 for a man who collapsed outside a strip mall. They asked for the address but he didn't know it (like anyone ever does) he told 911 where the strip mall was, on such and such a street just off of the highway and which store he was in front of but they refused to do anything without an address. Another bystander ran inside and got the address from the manager. A total waste of time but that was their procedure. FYI the friend is a rescue worker and deals with 911 all the time but usually it is 911 that calls him.
Never found out what happened to the man who collapsed.
 
The union has sincerely apologized, the DC gov't is investigating itself and proper concern has been expressed by the DC mayor - expect little else to be done other than a transfer of public funds to the victim's estate (hush money).
 
I must have missed that requirement to reply to this thread...

Reading the article is a good way to not say stupid **** and look silly.

This story is one of those that screams that there is more to the story. Something isn't right. When something sounds too ridiculous to be true, there usually is more to the story.
 
I replied to the original post, not the article itself. As the act of replying is not under a precondition, it seems to me all the comments about my reply are just opinion or intolerance of participation. Since this thread is not about my reply how about getting closer to topic now.
 
Hogwash. More than once I picked a radio up to let dispatch know that we were responding to where we were for what we were doing. Judgement like that demands a desk job, not one where the public is at risk.
 
I replied to the original post, not the article itself. As the act of replying is not under a precondition, it seems to me all the comments about my reply are just opinion or intolerance of participation. Since this thread is not about my reply how about getting closer to topic now.

In other words you replied before having the facts, just a knee jerk, ignorant response using the respondent's favorite whipping boy, a sort of trolling stupid crap... :roll:

It was an observation on the typical ignorant response such news stories seem to attract. Not intolerance of ignorance, just a helpful hint to engage the brain BEFORE the fingers wander across the keyboard... :2wave:
 
I replied to the original post, not the article itself. As the act of replying is not under a precondition, it seems to me all the comments about my reply are just opinion or intolerance of participation. Since this thread is not about my reply how about getting closer to topic now.

Look, by your own admission on this thread, you don't know what you are talking about. You can certainly say whatever you want. But, your silly defense of your willful ignorance suggests to me that you purposely don't read before you pontificate. You'll pardon me if I ignore your uninformed posts.
 
In other words you replied before having the facts, just a knee jerk, ignorant response using the respondent's favorite whipping boy, a sort of trolling stupid crap... :roll:

It was an observation on the typical ignorant response such news stories seem to attract. Not intolerance of ignorance, just a helpful hint to engage the brain BEFORE the fingers wander across the keyboard... :2wave:

Seems to me that getting into a flame war with another poster over a comment about unions that you find knee jerkingly distasteful, instead of talking about the topic of the thread is what is ignorant here.
 
A friend tried to call 911 for a man who collapsed outside a strip mall. They asked for the address but he didn't know it (like anyone ever does) he told 911 where the strip mall was, on such and such a street just off of the highway and which store he was in front of but they refused to do anything without an address. Another bystander ran inside and got the address from the manager. A total waste of time but that was their procedure. FYI the friend is a rescue worker and deals with 911 all the time but usually it is 911 that calls him.
Never found out what happened to the man who collapsed.


The same thing happened to me, I saw a head on collision in the state over and didn't know the exact address but gave detailed information on where we were but the operator was being rude saying "we can't help you if we don't know the street address" it was so frustrating. But what a coincidence about a block down was a fire station and someone on that side went in for help and they came rushing out to help.
 
I replied to the original post, not the article itself. As the act of replying is not under a precondition, it seems to me all the comments about my reply are just opinion or intolerance of participation. Since this thread is not about my reply how about getting closer to topic now.

Yeah, it is every one else, not your posting stupid crap.....
 
Seems to me that getting into a flame war with another poster over a comment about unions that you find knee jerkingly distasteful, instead of talking about the topic of the thread is what is ignorant here.

You are a sensitive sort for this guy... I am not flaming the guy, just pointing out how ignorant his comment was and trying to HELP him back on the path of reasoned discussion. I didn't say his momma didn't raise him proper or he lacks the brain cells of someone worthy of apposable thumbs- I simply said he should make himself a bit more informed and not rely on knee jerk hack attacks.

Personally if he had just said my bad and moved on I would have liked that post, instead he tries to get all uppity about it. :doh

And funny YOU try the same knee jerk response instead of sticking to the topic... :roll:

Just trying to have a teachable moment here :2wave:
 
Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says - CNN.com

If this is actually what happened......

Emergency Response can't respond without a "proper 911" call????

They can't walk/run across the street????

I've got to believe this has something to do with insurance . . . or union rules . . . they certainly thought they were "in the right". Whatever rules they thought they were violating? Should be changed.

Even from a humanitarian standpoint, these guys sure don't look like heroes.
 
I guess unquestioned belief in the "article" and it's author as sole source supreme authority is acceptable ignorance and anything or anyone contradicting this 'settled science' is to be attacked or ridiculed in this thread then. Not, in my opinion, a reasoned and tolerant discussion.
 
Maybe it's a requirement in their union contract...[/QUOTE]




Who has to look at a union contract to know whether it's OK to help another human being?

Would you care to fill us in on that?
 
I guess unquestioned belief in the "article" and it's author as sole source supreme authority is acceptable ignorance and anything or anyone contradicting this 'settled science' is to be attacked or ridiculed in this thread then. Not, in my opinion, a reasoned and tolerant discussion.

Christ seriously?

No you shouldn't always take everything an article says as truth without doubt, but that doesn't mean an acceptable alternative is to just make stuff up and pretend its true. You have to have... you know... other information that contradicts the information put forward in the article, some other kind of source that says something else, something else to back up your statements.
 
Christ seriously?

No you shouldn't always take everything an article says as truth without doubt, but that doesn't mean an acceptable alternative is to just make stuff up and pretend its true. You have to have... you know... other information that contradicts the information put forward in the article, some other kind of source that says something else, something else to back up your statements.

Please quote your source for this statement!
 
Maybe it's a requirement in their union contract...[/QUOTE]

Who has to look at a union contract to know whether it's OK to help another human being?

Would you care to fill us in on that?

Unions have silly rules. So do government bureaucracies. Either one of these two things was responsible or some firefighters should lose their jobs.
 
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