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Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

'Awesome' - the language of the retarded

Well, we're just yanks. You can't expect us to match the incredibly sophistication of you clever Europeans.
 
Do you believe Canada has less individual freedom than the US?

I'm not an expert on Canada, but the last time I looked you had a pretty strong welfare state, including socialized medicine. I can't believe any Libertarian would consider that to be more free than the watered down crap we have here.
 
I'm not an expert on Canada, but the last time I looked you had a pretty strong welfare state, including socialized medicine. I can't believe any Libertarian would consider that to be more free than the watered down crap we have here.

And then there's than nonsense about two languages having to be used, even when unnecessary. And the 'Canadian Content' requirement for your entertainment media. There's probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
 
Well, we're just yanks. You can't expect us to match the incredibly sophistication of you clever Europeans.

I wouldn't expect any sophistication, intelligence or wit from you, never mind matching that of others.
 
Compassion for the victim is not the issue. Compassion for Meredith goes without saying. This issue is a joke of a legal system and the selective outrage of some of you here, when criminals seeking shelter in Europe from U.S. justice go by without a mention from any of you. Hell, Knox may be guilty, but you would never know that based on the farce of a trial they conducted in Italy.

Oh get off your high horse. Most people who the US wants extradited get extradited.. even the mentally handicapped. The only reason that Polanski has not been given over is because he is a French citizen and the French do not hand French citizens over to other countries that have the death penalty.

And based on one case you are slandering the whole of Europe. Fact is Europe usually bends over backwards to please its US master when it comes to extraditing people, where as the US harbours everything from Nazi war criminals to convicted terrorists and refuses to hand them over.
 
Washington Times said:
“The U.S. could take the position that subjecting Ms. Knox to re-prosecution in Italy could violate her constitutional rights as a U.S. citizen,” Mr. Zagaris said.

“In circumstances where a requested person has been previously acquitted for the same act or offense in the requesting country, it has been held that there is no constitutional or statutory bar to the U.S. granting extradition. … It is an issue U.S. extradition treaties normally do not cover. Ordinarily, the secretary of state in his or her discretionary authority must deal with this issue.”

Mr. Kerry’s potential conundrum shines a light on the emerging era of “transnational law,” which pits the domestic laws of one country against the citizens of another. In this case, three countries are affected — the U.S., Britain and Italy.

Transnational law differs from international law, which applies equally to members of the United Nations and is enforced by impartial, international bodies such as the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice.

Denying an Italian request to extradite Ms. Knox for the murder of a British national could have diplomatic consequences with Italy and Britain.

“Extradition is a mutuality-reciprocal relationship, and Italy would not feel good about accusations concerning its criminal justice system,” Mr. Zagaris said.

If the U.S. denies an Italian extradition request but later needs to extradite a fugitive from Italy, authorities there could “return the favor” by denying the U.S. request, possibly turning Italy into a haven for organized crime syndicates there.

In a 2013 Wall Street Journal article, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz opined: “As national borders become more porous … the trend toward the transnational application of laws will become more pronounced. … By becoming an exchange student in Italy, Ms. Knox subjected herself to Italian law. By coming back to America, she received the protection of the American extradition process. As for how this will turn out, she is in uncharted territory.

Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder for second time - Washington Times
 

In td's world, apparently, NDAA-style indefinite detention and jailing people for reporting on abuses of the 4th Amendment are examples of great justice.
 
Well, we're just yanks. You can't expect us to match the incredibly sophistication of you clever Europeans.

Poor Amanda will never be able to eat a good pizza for the rest of her life.
 
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What is funny here is Americans actually believe this bitch because she is pretty and has a good PR team.

I too followed the case pretty closely and can say I have serious doubts about her and the boyfriend. They acted very strangely after the murder and had inconsistent stories. Along with the evidence that was not tainted by incompetence.. like that the whole scene looked staged as a burglary.. and you can only conclude that either they did it or were heavily involved in the murder.

As for the trial being a sham trial and the Italian court system being inept and corrupt.. funny coming from the Americans.. who piss up and down on the law depending on how much money you have or where you are from. Amanda got consular help.. pity the US does not give that to people visiting the US..

Well I Amanda Knox wont be leaving the US for the rest of her life.. because step outside and an international arrest warrant will bring her back to Italy to serve her time.

So you're all for extraditing Polanski back to the US then?
 
So you're all for extraditing Polanski back to the US then?

I don't see the connection.

It may be that it's a combination of his fame and the bungling of the prosecution in California that has kept him in France. I guess those same factors may keep Knox away from an Italian prison too.
 
If Knox doesn't return why should countries go out of there way to send people the other way. Indeed it was a one way extradition system to start with, but now it looks set to become ever more ridiculous with one rule for Americans and another for the rest of us. :shock: :roll:

Amanda Knox will not return to Italy to serve sentence, say parents | World news | theguardian.com

We'd rather die than rot in a US jail, say British couple facing extradition for '$1m expenses fiddle' | Mail Online

But if there are systemic inadequacies in the Italian legal system then why should extradition be equal both ways?
 
But if there are systemic inadequacies in the Italian legal system then why should extradition be equal both ways?

The US signed an extradition treaty with Italy in which it adhered to it's criminal system. If you don't agree with a countries criminal system then don't sign such treaties, and if you refuse to extradite people to countries you have extradition treaties with then do not be surprised if they do the same in return.

In terms of the UK, they current Home Secretary tried to improve a very one sided treaty with the US, however it is still very one sided, and needs to be looked at again, as the initial treaty was signed by Blair in a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and was really meant as a way to extradite terrorists. However it became used more and more by the Americans in cases of normal criminal law.

Thankfully there were some changes made following the McKinnon case in 2012, although some critics of the treaty would like to see further change.

Not so special relationship - overhauling the 'unbalanced' UK/US extradition treaty - Legalweek
 
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But if there are systemic inadequacies in the Italian legal system then why should extradition be equal both ways?

Because that's the treaty both sides signed up to. If you are perturbed by systemic inadequacies (and frankly, which legal system isn't rife with inadequacies?) then you need to renegotiate your treaty, not behave as if it is only applicable when you decide you want it to be.
 
I wouldn't expect any sophistication, intelligence or wit from you, never mind matching that of others.

Well, we can always count on you for foaming at the mouth anti-American bull****, regardless of the subject matter. I expect everything you know about America you learned from the Guardian. We always take that into account when discussing things with you 'intellectuals'.
 
Oh get off your high horse. Most people who the US wants extradited get extradited.. even the mentally handicapped. The only reason that Polanski has not been given over is because he is a French citizen and the French do not hand French citizens over to other countries that have the death penalty.

And based on one case you are slandering the whole of Europe. Fact is Europe usually bends over backwards to please its US master when it comes to extraditing people, where as the US harbours everything from Nazi war criminals to convicted terrorists and refuses to hand them over.

'U.S. masters' - ever the refrain of the truly committed anti-American. Ahhh, if only that was the case. I can think of a few changes I'd make. Nazi War Criminals? Really? we deport them quite regularly, although they're getting fewer and fewer as they die off. Could you list some of the convicted terrorists we are currently 'harboring'? More leftist drivel.
 
Well, we can always count on you for foaming at the mouth anti-American bull****, regardless of the subject matter. I expect everything you know about America you learned from the Guardian. We always take that into account when discussing things with you 'intellectuals'.

I am hardly foaming at the mouth and most of my quotes have been from CNN, The NY Times and the Wall Street Journal rather than the Guardian. I don't see how pointing out problems in relation to extradition treaties is Anti-American or commenting on those Americans who are attacking the Italian Justice system whilst heralding their own Justice System as a beacon of greatness. The US Justice System being far from perfect itself. :roll:
 
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Nice try, but I'm not buying it. You are like a lot of European leftists - incredibly selective in the things that outrage you. You can always cherry pick anti-American bull**** from any newspaper, but you have to be looking for it in order to do so. I'd still bet the Guardian is on your daily reading list. It's anti-American from the first page to the last, and therefore is a great favorite with Euro-lefties.
 
So you're all for extraditing Polanski back to the US then?

He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.
 
Nice try, but I'm not buying it.

That's good because it's not for sale :shock:

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You are like a lot of European leftists - incredibly selective in the things that outrage you. You can always cherry pick anti-American bull**** from any newspaper, but you have to be looking for it in order to do so. I'd still bet the Guardian is on your daily reading list. It's anti-American from the first page to the last, and therefore is a great favorite with Euro-lefties.

I am a Euro Lefty now, what's that on the Joe McCarthy Communist Scale. :roll:

I hardly think being critical of an extradition treaty between the US and UK is grounds to call me Anti-American, and as fir the Treaty it was signed by New Labour PM Tony Blair in 2003, with the right and indeed more right wing press being very critical of the treaty. Or do you consider the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph too left wing and liberal for your taste.

As for the Knox case I have merely pointed out that under the current extradition treaty, the Italians have with the Americans they will expect Amanda Knox to be extradited if she is found guilty or they may review their extradition treaty in relation to extradition to the US and I am backed up on this matter by Bruce Zagaris a US Extradition specialist, who is quoted in many of the articles I have posted on this thread. :shock: :roll:
 
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He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.

No, they refused to extradite him because A) they are France, B) it gave them a chance to stick their finger in the eye of America, C) he's famous, and D) rape of a 13 year old girl is no big deal in that cesspool of a country.
 
He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?

But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.

He skipped town before sentencing. But OK, it's OK for Europe to skip out on American courts and nothing should be done against that, but an American damned well better respect the European courts and if they try to skip out then it's an outrage.

Just checking to see if your opinion was just more of your anti-American tripe. Seems that way.
 
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