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Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian Court

Wiggen said:
Could you enlighten me as to which, in the wacky world of Libertarians, are the 'free' countries? Would those be the ones with no government - like, say, Somalia?
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sawyerloggingon said:
Amanda looks like a murderer to me. If I was casting a movie about a murder like this I would pick her, she has evil eyes.
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In a thread filled with stupidity, anti American idiocy and lots of people who have no clue about criminal procedure, this post is either brilliant sarcasm or the nadir of intellect
 
TurtleDude said:
In a thread filled with stupidity, anti American idiocy and lots of people who have no clue about criminal procedure, this post is either brilliant sarcasm or the nadir of intellect
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I never said she did it did I/ I just said she LOOKS like she did it. Lawyers!

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What a farce. She was tried and found not guilty. They need to leave the poor girl alone.
 
Your Star said:
They need to leave the poor girl alone.
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Shame someone didn't think that when they were murdering Meredith Kercher. They've been found guilty twice, been acquitted once. The level of anti-Italian/anti-European hysteria in this thread is more than in proportion with any anti-American sentiment involved in this case, it far exceeds it.

I'm not convinced Knox and Sollecito did it, and I'm not convinced that they didn't. Whose opinion should be the deciding factor? I guess the jury's, and that's currently a guilty verdict, with a right of appeal. If the appeal is lost, then Knox should be extradited, like any other convicted murderer.

If you have an extradition treaty then you have already agreed to abide by the decisions of the court of that country. If you are sceptical of its impartiality or incorruptibility then you need to revoke the treaty. A treaty that one party refuses to honour is really no treaty at all.
 
This could also further strain relations with Italy which has in recent decades already been unhappy with the extradition arrangements it has with the US.

CNN said:
Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz added: "As popular as she is here and as pretty as she is here -- because that's what this is all about, if

"The Italian legal system, though I don't love it, is a legitimate legal system and we have a treaty with Italy so I don't see how we would resist," he told AFP.

"We're trying to get (fugitive NSA leaker Edward) Snowden back -- how does it look if we want Snowden back and we won't return someone for murder?" he asked.

There is a valid extradition agreement between Italy and the U.S., but the U.S. has not set much of a precedence in returning suspects for such matters. Italians point to a number of high-profile cases over the years in which they say American suspects have been accused of wrongdoing and criminal acts, but have been let off lightly.

In 1998, an American military jet clipped a ski lift cable, sending a gondola of 20 passengers to their deaths in the Italian Dolomite Mountains.

Italian prosecutors wanted the crew of the jet tried in Italy, but an Italian court ruled they should face courts-martial in the U.S., in accordance with NATO treaties. The aircraft's pilot and navigator were found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter, even though the military admitted the plane had been flying lower and faster than authorized.

When it emerged that a video that captured the accident from inside the plane had been destroyed, they were dismissed from the Marine Corps. Italians were outraged, referring to the incident as the "massacre of Cermis."

In another incident that raised tensions, Egyptian cleric Abu Omar was seized off the streets of Milan in 2003 and smuggled to Egypt, where he says he was tortured and released four years later.

Although Italy did not request the extradition of any of the suspects, 22 CIA agents were convicted in absentia of the kidnapping and sentenced to prison time for their role in the abduction, but none ever served time in Italy.

Amanda Knox retrial verdict: Six things to know - CNN.com
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Furthermore Meredith Kercher is a British Citizen, a country which has also been critical of the one way extradition street in terms if the US, with not one IRA Terrorist ever extradited from the US, but numerous people extradited from the UK since 9/11.

Lets also not forget that America still keeps people locked away at Guantanamo Bay (some prisoners having been there nearly ten years) who have had no due process as all, at least Amanda Knox has been before a proper civil court.
 
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Andalublue said:
Shame someone didn't say that to Knox and Sollecito when they were murdering Meredith Kercher. They've been found guilty twice, been acquitted once. The level of anti-Italian/anti-European hysteria in this thread is more than in proportion with any anti-American sentiment involved in this case, it far exceeds it.

I'm not convinced Knox and Sollecito did it, and I'm not convinced that they didn't. Whose opinion should be the deciding factor? I guess the jury's, and that's currently a guilty verdict, with a right of appeal. If the appeal is lost, then Knox should be extradited, like any other convicted murderer.

If you have an extradition treaty then you have already agreed to abide by the decisions of the court of that country. If you are sceptical of its impartiality or incorruptibility then you need to revoke the treaty. A treaty that one party refuses to honour is really no treaty at all.
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BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. there was not even probable cause she is guilty.

Most euro nations have refused to honor extradition treaties to send a person back to the USA for a death penalty trial. That often involves AMERICAN nationals who have fled.

The Italian court system isn't just bad, its a complete joke. Every possible screw up I have ever seen in 24 years of reviewing federal criminal cases was made in the Knox case. Tainted evidence poor investigations, lack of a motive, ignoring obvious more probable suspects etc etc etc
 
Chatter said:
This could also further strain relations with Italy which has in recent decades already been unhappy with the extradition arrangements it has with the US.



Furthermore Meredith Kercher is a British Citizen, a country which has also been critical of the one way extradition street in terms if the US, with not one IRA Terrorist ever extradited from the US, but numerous people extradited from the UK since 9/11.

Lets also not forget that America still keeps people locked away at Guantanamo Bay who have had no due process as all, at least Amanda Knox has been before a proper civil court.
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OMG that is funny
 
TurtleDude said:
OMG that is funny
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Amanda Knox has been before the Italian Courts, which is more than can be said for those at Guantanamo. It's Italy's system and there's an old saying 'when in Rome do as the Romans do'. The US signed an extradition treaty with Italy in which it adhered to it's criminal system. If you don't want people extradited or don't agree with a countries criminal system then don't sign such treaties.
 
Chatter said:
Amanda Knox has been before the Italian Courts, which is more than can be said for those at Guantanamo. It's Italy's system and there's an old saying 'when in Rome do as the Romans do'.
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What does Gitmo have to do with the incompetence of the Italian courts and the seething hatred of America by Eurosocialists who want to use this girl as a scapegoat for their rage that America is more important than their have been countries?
 
TurtleDude said:
What does Gitmo have to do with the incompetence of the Italian courts and the seething hatred of America by Eurosocialists who want to use this girl as a scapegoat for their rage that America is more important than their have been countries?
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I don't think the Italian Courts have been incompetent, and in terms of Americans like you who criticise other countries criminal systems I suggest you take a good look at your own and indeed places such as Guantanamo Bay.

BBC News - Amanda Knox appeal: Reviewing the murder case evidence
 
Chatter said:
I don't think the Italian Courts have been incompetent, and in terms of Americans like you who criticise other countries criminal systems I suggest you take a good look at your own and indeed places such as Guantanamo Bay.
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GITMO bay is irrelevant since it is not part of our domestic criminal court system

tell me, other than hating America, what evidence do you have that the Italian court system fairly adjudicated this case

Do you have any experience in criminal law?
 
TurtleDude said:
GITMO bay is irrelevant since it is not part of our domestic criminal court system

tell me, other than hating America, what evidence do you have that the Italian court system fairly adjudicated this case

Do you have any experience in criminal law?
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You can see the evidence here and it's far from clear cut.

BBC News - Amanda Knox appeal: Reviewing the murder case evidence

Then again American Criminal Law lets you get away with murder - O.J Simpson, Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman, Joe Horn etc. Because the US Justice System is never seen as laughable and incompetent by the rest of the world. :roll:
 
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solletica said:
The whole purpose of justice in a rape is compensating the victim.
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I thought it was also to keep them from doing it again, to others? Just because one rape victim doesnt care that she was raped doesn't mean others want to be raped by the guy.
 
TurtleDude said:
BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. there was not even probable cause she is guilty.

Most euro nations have refused to honor extradition treaties to send a person back to the USA for a death penalty trial. That often involves AMERICAN nationals who have fled.

The Italian court system isn't just bad, its a complete joke. Every possible screw up I have ever seen in 24 years of reviewing federal criminal cases was made in the Knox case. Tainted evidence poor investigations, lack of a motive, ignoring obvious more probable suspects etc etc etc
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If you believe it to be a complete joke then you need to renounce your extradition treaty, because having an extradition treaty means the opposite of thinking it's a complete joke.

European nations refusing to extradite people to the US in capital cases is a totally different matter. It doesn't mean that there is no confidence in the US judicial system, just that they are all signatories to Protocol 13 of the ECHR which prohibits the death sentence.
 
Andalublue said:
If you believe it to be a complete joke then you need to renounce your extradition treaty, because having an extradition treaty means the opposite of thinking it's a complete joke.

European nations refusing to extradite people to the US in capital cases is a totally different matter. It doesn't mean that there is no confidence in the US judicial system, just that they are all signatories to Protocol 13 of the ECHR which prohibits the death sentence.
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and we don't believe in double jeopardy
 
Chatter said:
Amanda Knox has been before the Italian Courts, which is more than can be said for those at Guantanamo. It's Italy's system and there's an old saying 'when in Rome do as the Romans do'. The US signed an extradition treaty with Italy in which it adhered to it's criminal system. If you don't want people extradited or don't agree with a countries criminal system then don't sign such treaties.
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Awesome threadjack. Kudos!
 
Red_Dave said:
The case for professional juries: exhibit A
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It appears it would be hard to find anything Professional in Italy when it comes to criminal law
 
Andalublue said:
Who doesn't? The US seems to hold onto it, most European nations allow second trials when significant new evidence emerges.
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There has been no such significant new evidence produced in the Knox matter.
 
TurtleDude said:
It appears it would be hard to find anything Professional in Italy when it comes to criminal law
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Should we judge the entire US judiciary on the basis of the OJ Simpson trial? Would that be fair?
 
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