Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
That is your opinion=. By what standards did the stimulus work? What reputable agency captures saved jobs? I understand you want to believe this but the question is why do you ignore the data?

What data?

What I don't ignore is the opinion of actual economists who say that without the stimulus, the economy would have gone into full-blown depression. Stimulus is not intended to fix everything overnight. Stimulus is intended to prevent the economy from getting worse. Which, when it was implemented, it accomplished.

upsideguy · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
That is your opinion=. By what standards did the stimulus work? What reputable agency captures saved jobs? I understand you want to believe this but the question is why do you ignore the data?

85% of the best and brightest US economists, you know, the experts, as well as the CBO said it worked. Plus, the third article I posted outlines and links 9 studies done on the subject.

Poll Results | IGM Forum
Congressional Budget Office defends stimulus - The Washington Post
Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject - The Washington Post
Economists agree: Stimulus created nearly 3 million jobs - USATODAY.com

There is some evidence. What do you have to the contrary?

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

Kobie said:
What data?

What I don't ignore is the opinion of actual economists who say that without the stimulus, the economy would have gone into full-blown depression. Stimulus is not intended to fix everything overnight. Stimulus is intended to prevent the economy from getting worse. Which, when it was implemented, it accomplished.

There is no way of knowing what the economy would have been like without the stimulus but we do know what the economy is like with the stimulus and except for the 43% most of who have no idea who is even in office they continue to buy rhetoric and ignore actual data and results. Still waiting for the verifiable site that captures saved jobs? The economy came out of recession in June 2009,. When did those shovels arrive for the shovel ready jobs?

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
There is no way of knowing what the economy would have been like without the stimulus but we do know what the economy is like with the stimulus and except for the 43% most of who have no idea who is even in office they continue to buy rhetoric and ignore actual data and results. Still waiting for the verifiable site that captures saved jobs? The economy came out of recession in June 2009,. When did those shovels arrive for the shovel ready jobs?

So because the recovery has been slow, then the stimulus didn't work? Is that what you're claiming? It's hard to tell, since the first 2/3 of that post is word salad.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

upsideguy said:
85% of the best and brightest US economists, you know, the experts, as well as the CBO said it worked. Plus, the third article I posted outlines and links 9 studies done on the subject.

Poll Results | IGM Forum
Congressional Budget Office defends stimulus - The Washington Post
Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject - The Washington Post
Economists agree: Stimulus created nearly 3 million jobs - USATODAY.com

There is some evidence. What do you have to the contrary?

Well there you have it, we are living in great economic times with excellent economic results. The BEA,BLS, and Treasury numbers lie. Please post for me the location that captures saved jobs? States weren't even given the opportunity to save their own state jobs but you willing give Obama credit. Such low standards you have

The Five Biggest Failures From President Obama's Stimulus Law - US News

How the $800B stimulus failed | New York Post

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

upsideguy said:
85% of the best and brightest US economists, you know, the experts, as well as the CBO said it worked. Plus, the third article I posted outlines and links 9 studies done on the subject.

Poll Results | IGM Forum
Congressional Budget Office defends stimulus - The Washington Post
Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject - The Washington Post
Economists agree: Stimulus created nearly 3 million jobs - USATODAY.com

There is some evidence. What do you have to the contrary?

Well there you have it, we are living in great economic times with excellent economic results. The BEA,BLS, and Treasury numbers lie. Please post for me the location that captures saved jobs? States weren't even given the opportunity to save their own state jobs but you willing give Obama credit. Such low standards you have

The Five Biggest Failures From President Obama's Stimulus Law - US News

How the $800B stimulus failed | New York Post

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

Kobie said:
So because the recovery has been slow, then the stimulus didn't work? Is that what you're claiming? It's hard to tell, since the first 2/3 of that post is word salad.

What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

I find it humorous that Conservative wants to blame the "Democrat congress" for the collapse, yet exclusively blame Obama for the slow recovery.

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow

I just told you what the purpose of the stimulus was. The stimulus was a band-aid. My biggest criticism of the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough.

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Kobie said:
What data?

What I don't ignore is the opinion of actual economists who say that without the stimulus, the economy would have gone into full-blown depression. Stimulus is not intended to fix everything overnight. Stimulus is intended to prevent the economy from getting worse. Which, when it was implemented, it accomplished.

The point that he is trying desperately to obscure is that there is not a national measure that is not better now than in 2009. His method is to point out that not everything is perfect and hope that nobody points out that it has never been.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

Kobie said:
I just told you what the purpose of the stimulus was. The stimulus was a band-aid. My biggest criticism of the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough.

Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?

Not entirely, but then again, the point of the stimulus was not to end the recession. Stimulus doesn't do that. I do not know why this is so hard for you to comprehend.

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
What exactly what the purpose of the stimulus, wasn't it to promote long term economic growth and job creation? Did it do that? You seem to have very low standards when it comes to spending your tax dollars, 7 trillion added to the debt and these are the results we have? Wow

I'll bet that there might be days when you wake up and wish that your politics was supportable by pure, unvarnished truth. No made up data, no misrepresented truth, no spin, no half truths, no dirty politics, just truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.

But then again, maybe not.

How much of our debt comes from Bush's holy wars, tax cuts, and recovery from, and revenue lost to, Bush's great recession?

You're saying zero?

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
The point that he is trying desperately to obscure is that there is not a national measure that is not better now than in 2009. His method is to point out that not everything is perfect and hope that nobody points out that it has never been.

Do you have the same expectations and low standards when it comes to Republicans? Where were you when Bush inherited the Clinton recession and had 9/11 yet still had a 4.5 trillion increase in GDP and 9 million jobs prior to 2008? You want to judge Bush based upon 2008/2009 while ignoring the previous 7 years and then want to give Obama a pass for the past five years. You Obama supporters really just aren't worth it.

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, when did the stimulus go into effect and the money reach the intended targets. The recession ended in June 2009. You think it was the stimulus that did that?

What ended in June 2009 was the decline of GDP.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
I'll bet that there might be days when you wake up and wish that your politics was supportable by pure, unvarnished truth. No made up data, no misrepresented truth, no spin, no half truths, no dirty politics, just truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.

But then again, maybe not.

How much of our debt comes from Bush's holy wars, tax cuts, and recovery from, and revenue lost to, Bush's great recession?

You're saying zero?

That information is very easy to find but as a liberal it seems you want it given to you but I know you will ignore it. You have no concept of what the debt is and where it comes from nor what Obama has actually generated. The truth is the numbers are there for you to see.

Treasury shows the cost of the wars in the 10.6 trillion debt Obama inherited, it is 17.3 trillion today

Do you honestly believe you keeping more of what you earn in the form of tax cuts is an expense to the govt? explain why we had record tax revenue in 2007 under the Bush tax cuts and why Reagan had a 60%increase in FIT revenue? You simply buy what you are told and ignore reality. The Treasury Data is there for you to see

Kobie · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
Do you have the same expectations and low standards when it comes to Republicans? Where were you when Bush inherited the Clinton recession and had 9/11 yet still had a 4.5 trillion increase in GDP and 9 million jobs prior to 2008? You want to judge Bush based upon 2008/2009 while ignoring the previous 7 years and then want to give Obama a pass for the past five years. You Obama supporters really just aren't worth it.

The recession Bush inherited was nothing compared to the recession Obama inherited. Don't be so dishonest.

And you're basically constructing a series of strawmen, attacking things that neither I nor PMZ has said. And we're not worth YOUR time? Pfffft.

Learn to argue honestly, and maybe we'll talk. I'm not holding my breath.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
What ended in June 2009 was the decline of GDP.

The recession ended in June 2009, what caused that?

Perotista · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
The interest rates are fixed for a particular bond. If interest rates go up, only bonds issued after that are affected.

That's what i thought. Thanks

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
Do you have the same expectations and low standards when it comes to Republicans? Where were you when Bush inherited the Clinton recession and had 9/11 yet still had a 4.5 trillion increase in GDP and 9 million jobs prior to 2008? You want to judge Bush based upon 2008/2009 while ignoring the previous 7 years and then want to give Obama a pass for the past five years. You Obama supporters really just aren't worth it.

He inherited 9/11????

What Bush inherited was the return to normalcy following the dot com boom.

What Obama inherited was the worst global economic disaster since the Great Depression.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

Kobie said:
The recession Bush inherited was nothing compared to the recession Obama inherited. Don't be so dishonest.

And you're basically constructing a series of strawmen, attacking things that neither I nor PMZ has said. And we're not worth YOUR time? Pfffft.

Learn to argue honestly, and maybe we'll talk. I'm not holding my breath.

Never said it was, but it was a recession and cost the treasury money and dollars. 9/11 cost the Treasury over a trillion dollars and is included in the 10.6 trillion debt Obama inherited.

All Presidents inherit policies and data that aren't particularly great for the incoming President. A good leader takes the hand they are dealt and plays it better than Obama who lacks leadership skills.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
He inherited 9/11????

What Bush inherited was the return to normalcy following the dot com boom.

What Obama inherited was the worst global economic disaster since the Great Depression.

You seem to have survived it and if it were as bad as you claim you would have suffered too. You didn't, nor did I, nor did the majority in this country due to record low interest rates and low inflation.

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
The recession ended in June 2009, what caused that?

What happened in June of 2009 was the GDP reduction that was called the Great Recession hit it's lowest point.

Conservative · Feb 1, 2014

PMZ said:
What happened in June of 2009 was the GDP reduction that was called the Great Recession hit it's lowest point.

Look nothing anyone says or no data posted is going to change your mind. You and the 43% that support Obama certainly deserve each other.. I feel bad for someone your age being so poorly informed

PMZ · Feb 1, 2014

Conservative said:
You seem to have survived it and if it were as bad as you claim you would have suffered too. You didn't, nor did I, nor did the majority in this country due to record low interest rates and low inflation.

I was retired. I'm as recession proof as anyone in the country. Tell the auto workers whose jobs Obama saved that the Great Recession was not. Tell Wall St. Tell the 10% who were unemployed that the Great Recession was not. Tell Europe that the Great Recession was not.

Your standard seems to be that if you are ok, everything is fine. That's exactly why conservatives will become unelectable.

Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

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