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Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

Kobie said:
It surprises me not at all that you are perfectly willing to simply gloss over exactly how bad the economy took a colossal dump in 2008.
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I find it interesting that even you cannot tell us how the collapse in 2008 affected you and your family but I do find it quite telling how Bush created that mess all by himself and the Democrat controlled Congress allowed it.
 
Conservative said:
As has been shown here over and over again, you and your other liberal friends have a very selective memory and actually no clue as to what Bush did and didn't do as well as who helped him.
Obama and liberalism has really used you and people like you because that is what you want to believe. The media destroyed Bush and brainwashed a lot of people. The guy to this day is a class act something Obama will never be.

What you want to believe is that Bush with a Democrat Controlled Congress that rejected his legislation and budget created the 2009 disaster and that simply defies logic and common sense.
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As I said before, I accept that Bush did nothing at all on his watch. But I do hold Cheney accountable.

I also have learned that conservatives in general avoid accountability and personal responsibility like the plague so I have no different expectations from you.

What I do expect, and you have not disappointed in this regard, is lots of unfounded blame.

What this adds up to, of course, is the explanation of why conservatism has failed government, business, and religion yet people like you carry on undisappointed and unlearned.

You and your friends and your media evangelists are what you are. It would be foolish to expect more from people whose heroes are Donald Trump, the Koch bros, Grover Norquist, Sheldon Adelson, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, John Boehner, Rick Perry, Roy Spencer, etc.
 
Conservative said:
I find it interesting that even you cannot tell us how the collapse in 2008 affected you and your family but I do find it quite telling how Bush created that mess all by himself and the Democrat controlled Congress allowed it.
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After 7 years of incompetent governance you were surprised when the economy dumped in 2008????

Amazing.
 
Making a blanket statement about conservatives in general avoiding accountability and personal responsibility doesn't reflect well on you any more than the moronic statements by some conservatives about all liberals. Difficult to take what you say seriously when you begin with a statement such as this.
 
Conservative said:
I find it interesting that even you cannot tell us how the collapse in 2008 affected you and your family but I do find it quite telling how Bush created that mess all by himself and the Democrat controlled Congress allowed it.
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Strawman alert!

The 2008 collapse really didn't affect me, personally, except the resulting fallout had me on the edge of a layoff for a few years. But it affected millions of others.
 
Conservative said:
So we were told and that is exactly what you wanted to hear. How did the 2007-09 recession affect you and your family. We didn't go off the cliff, TARP prevented that. Obama lost an opportunity to make a difference and rather than focus on job growth, economic growth, deficit reduction he piled on, blamed Bush and his little minions are marching in lock step. Amazing how you and others have a very selective memory and understanding. You people have such low standards when it comes to leadership and results
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So when you make a verifiably false statement, and I call you on it, you immediately get your back up about how people are "blaming Bush." When did I mention Bush?
 
PMZ said:
As I said before, I accept that Bush did nothing at all on his watch. But I do hold Cheney accountable.

I also have learned that conservatives in general avoid accountability and personal responsibility like the plague so I have no different expectations from you.

What I do expect, and you have not disappointed in this regard, is lots of unfounded blame.

What this adds up to, of course, is the explanation of why conservatism has failed government, business, and religion yet people like you carry on undisappointed and unlearned.

You and your friends and your media evangelists are what you are. It would be foolish to expect more from people whose heroes are Donald Trump, the Koch bros, Grover Norquist, Sheldon Adelson, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, John Boehner, Rick Perry, Roy Spencer, etc.
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Guess it comes from 35 years in the business world actually running a 200 million dollar a year business with over 1200 employees. You see, I understand leadership, I understand the responsibilities of leadership and I voted against Obama because of his resume in 2008 and his record in 2012. Unlike you I know what happened in 2008 and 2009 and the results today are terrible compared to what they would have been with good leadership. Obama can do one thing well and that is campaign placing blame. Too bad there are too many people like you who buy the rhetoric.
 
Perotista said:
Here is something from Gallup that should interest everyone here.

January 31, 2014
State of the Union: The Public Weighs In on 10 Key Issues
Where Americans stand on immigration, energy, minimum wage, and other issues

State of the Union: The Public Weighs In on 10 Key Issues
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Pero, do you agree with the numbers cited in the Gallup poll? Some, such as immigration, seem a little bit out of line to me. And why does Obama want to use bonds for his MyRa? Smart investors are getting out of bonds, from what I've read. Aren't other countries not buying what they used to? Maybe not, since they are getting anxious about our inability to cut spending.
 
Kobie said:
So when you make a verifiably false statement, and I call you on it, you immediately get your back up about how people are "blaming Bush." When did I mention Bush?
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I hear that a lot, I make false statements? Prove it
 
Kobie said:
Strawman alert!

The 2008 collapse really didn't affect me, personally, except the resulting fallout had me on the edge of a layoff for a few years. But it affected millions of others.
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And the Obama recovery is hurting millions and millions more, not much different, high unemployment, discouraged workers, under employed, long term part time employed
 
Conservative said:
I hear that a lot, I make false statements? Prove it
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You said the stimulus didn't work. It did.

Conservative said:
And the Obama recovery is hurting millions and millions more, not much different, high unemployment, discouraged workers, under employed, long term part time employed
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What specific Obama policy is causing the numbers of discouraged workers and other categories you listed here?
 
nota bene said:
Making a blanket statement about conservatives in general avoiding accountability and personal responsibility doesn't reflect well on you any more than the moronic statements by some conservatives about all liberals. Difficult to take what you say seriously when you begin with a statement such as this.
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I agree. That's why extremism has to be stamped out.

Do you have any ideas?
 
Conservative said:
Guess it comes from 35 years in the business world actually running a 200 million dollar a year business with over 1200 employees. You see, I understand leadership, I understand the responsibilities of leadership and I voted against Obama because of his resume in 2008 and his record in 2012. Unlike you I know what happened in 2008 and 2009 and the results today are terrible compared to what they would have been with good leadership. Obama can do one thing well and that is campaign placing blame. Too bad there are too many people like you who buy the rhetoric.
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In a word, crap. You couldn't run a 7/11.
 
Conservative said:
And the Obama recovery is hurting millions and millions more, not much different, high unemployment, discouraged workers, under employed, long term part time employed
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How does a recovery hurt millions?
 
polgara said:
Pero, do you agree with the numbers cited in the Gallup poll? Some, such as immigration, seem a little bit out of line to me. And why does Obama want to use bonds for his MyRa? Smart investors are getting out of bonds, from what I've read. Aren't other countries not buying what they used to? Maybe not, since they are getting anxious about our inability to cut spending.
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I don't know Pol. Immigration is sort of a side issue that comes to the forefront when other issues die down. As for buying our treasury bonds, China is still doing so but at a slower pace. The low interest rate on them really doesn't make them all that attractive or so I have been told. But to make them more attractive, interest rates must go up and thus so too will the payments on the interest. I is a dang if you do and a dang if you don't. But I am not financial guru, so that question would be best answered by others.
 
Kobie said:
You said the stimulus didn't work. It did.



What specific Obama policy is causing the numbers of discouraged workers and other categories you listed here?
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That is your opinion=. By what standards did the stimulus work? What reputable agency captures saved jobs? I understand you want to believe this but the question is why do you ignore the data?
 
PMZ said:
How does a recovery hurt millions?
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Ask those unemployed/under employed/discouraged and full time parttime workers who want a full time job. Worst economic recovery on record
 
jonny5 said:
We're talking more about the ideology. The purpose of the Presidency is to execute the laws that congress makes and represent the country in foreign affairs. Not to make policy. Hes redefining the balance of power.
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Au contraire... I'm not sure what country you have been living in or what you have been studying, but the Imperial Presidency has been the dominate view of the US Presidency for the past 100 years. Presidential power has been growing and growing through FDR, Nixon, Reagan and Bush, Jr.

The Imperial Presidency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.bu.edu/law/central/jd/organizations/journals/bulr/documents/MARSHALL.pdf
The Imperial Presidency: Jr. Arthur M. Schlesinger: 9780618420018: Amazon.com: Books

Obama actually represents a retreat from that... not of his doing, its just congress has pretty much neutralized him.

State of the Union: platitudes of a post-imperial presidency | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | theguardian.com
 
PMZ said:
I did. No data.
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I don't know what to tell you. I went back and click on the link which brought up the Gallup survey, then went into number one where it was talking about immigration, it said: Immigration is a relatively low-priority issue for Americans. The low-priority issue was underlined and I clicked on it and it brought up all the issues and the percentages. Once you click on the link, any words underlined will get you to a different portion or link where gallup shows its stats.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know Pol. Immigration is sort of a side issue that comes to the forefront when other issues die down. As for buying our treasury bonds, China is still doing so but at a slower pace. The low interest rate on them really doesn't make them all that attractive or so I have been told. But to make them more attractive, interest rates must go up and thus so too will the payments on the interest. I is a dang if you do and a dang if you don't. But I am not financial guru, so that question would be best answered by others.
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The interest rates are fixed for a particular bond. If interest rates go up, only bonds issued after that are affected.
 
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