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Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address 2014

Where....anywhere...in that chart is there a comparison of men and women doing the same job?????????????????????

The glaring shortcoming in those stats is pointed out in that article by that liberal feminist I linked.
You must have skimmed over that? ;)

You are referring to microeconomic data that possesses qualitative properties. You are welcome to browse the rather numerous econometric research that confirms the problem.
 
Quick question for anyone willing to answer (and do a little research):

Do male or female nurses get paid more?
 
The incredible shrinking man.

A hike in the minimum wage? Really? All the problems in this economy and he even has to spend 3 milliseconds on this non-issue?
Well we all know why that is- it polls well.
I just would expect the Presisent of th eUA to rise above this petty nonsense.

Oh and this howler.
You know, today, women make up about half our workforce, but they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That is wrong, and in 2014, it’s an embarrassment.

Women deserve equal pay for equal work.


This is why Obama sickens me. This stat is COMPLETe BS and worse, he knows it. Yet he still dishes it out.

Hey, you know-gotta stop that 'war om women' (gag)

Got any evidence that it is false?
 
Quick question for anyone willing to answer (and do a little research):

Do male or female nurses get paid more?
Irrelevant question. Better question- do male or female nurses working for the same employer with the exact same education and exact same work history get paid more?
Get back to me when you can answer THAT relevant question .
 
Irrelevant question. Better question- do male or female nurses working for the same employer with the exact same education and exact same work history get paid more?
Get back to me when you can answer THAT relevant question .

We can also look at the comparison between female and male CEO's.

ExecutivePayGap-800x550.png
 
We can also look at the comparison between female and male CEO's.

ExecutivePayGap-800x550.png

Why do you care what a private company pays its CEO's and how does their pay affect you and your family? No one forced anyone to take a job in the private sector and they knew going in what the pay scale was going to be. All I see from people today is jealousy and making a non issue even more of one.
 
We can also look at the comparison between female and male CEO's.

ExecutivePayGap-800x550.png

More irrelevant babble.
Equivalent to saying Lebron makes more money than Kyle Korver, thus-racism.

In order forthis to be within 10 miles of relevant, you would have to show that women CEO's with the same resume of performance make less than men at the same company. Which, of course, would be impossible.
 
I agree that the 77 cents on the dollar icon is closer to good advertising than it is to rigorous statistics.

However it is advertising a legitimate problem that requires, unfortunately, government intervention to fix, at least in our lifetimes. Business could choose to fix it without intervention, but their one principle, make more money, regardless of the cost to others, prevents it.
 
Quick question for anyone willing to answer (and do a little research):

Do male or female nurses get paid more?

Male nurses get paid more. According to research in 2008, Women were paid 86.6% what men made (SOURCE). In 2013, when looking at an equivilent full time, full year worker comparison women made 91% of what a man made (SOURCE).

However, as I previously suggested....as is often the problem people look at a single point of data and (thanks Kush, you introduced the word into play) due to confirmation bias just assume it MUST be because of their view on it.

There's a definite gap between pay of male and female nurses; however, that fact alone is of litlte use without an understanding of WHY there's a gap, and how much does each variable factor into the ultimate number. For example, one link points out that despite male nurses being a small percentage of the TOTAL population (6% in 2010, 10% in 2013), they have a larger representation within nursing specialities that generally command a higher price point. For example, in 2010 49% of the anestic nurses in the country were male, and that position tends to make a larger amount than a normal nurse working the floor of a hospital...but both would be counted as a "nurse". Additionally, education impacts pay, and as of 2010 it appeared more men were entering into higher education levels for nursing then women. WHAT kind of nurse, and education level, are just two possible factors in play here that would need to be examined.

Is a systematic bias towards men by those in power a possable factor? Absolutely, but the question is generally "how much". The question is also comes down into what is the cause of some of the other factors and is it something that needs, or can, be "fixed" via government action.

I've not seen anyone really disagreeing that there is a wage gap, but simply suggesting that there's hardly one universally absolute method in which to read it and that each method of how to determine it can have its flaws and issues depending on WHAT you're actually looking ot measure. And that while it may exist, the extent that it exists in a way that needs active government intervention to be able to fix is in dispute.
 
I don't know, you were just slobbering over one branch of power using it's power in an attempt to strong arm in the name of what they think is right....funny you seem to have issues with it when it doesn't fit your political ideology. Shocker.

from that post, it appears you believe shutting down government was the right thing to do
most of us would disagree, but that does not mean the congress, with the power of the purse, should be denied the ability to make such poor decisions
so, you misunderstand - what a shock - that my objection is to the wrong-headed decision making and not to the Constitutional authority they wield
 
from that post, it appears you believe shutting down government was the right thing to do
most of us would disagree, but that does not mean the congress, with the power of the purse, should be denied the ability to make such poor decisions
so, you misunderstand - what a shock - that my objection is to the wrong-headed decision making and not to the Constitutional authority they wield

The Republican response to me was a clear signal that Republicans just have no solutions to offer in today's real world. They just as much as said that they wished America luck in the future without their participation in government.

I believe that Obama's message was that, given the GOP stand, he has to do what has to be done. If they opt out he's last man standing.

An awful situation for everyone.

I personally hope for a speedy recovery for the GOP but that will require leadership. It's not evident to me that there is any of that on the horizon for them. I'd love to be wrong.
 

because he would suffer, even more, by comparison

please don't let the president, who sanctioned torture, suffer sarcasm.gif
 
from that post, it appears you believe shutting down government was the right thing to do

Nope, to check my posts on the topic. I felt it was a bad move politically and policy wise, though I understood and could respect part of why it was done

Just because a particular part of the government technically has a particular power doesn't necessarily mean I think they should make use of it. Taking extreme action, be it threatening congress to do what you want or using EOs specifically to enact things that can't get passed into law or refusing to fund the government, is an generally negative thing that highlights failure on all sides and shouldn't be applauded.
 
the power of the Executive office. the third branch of government
another branch, the judiciary, will not allow him to exceed the scope of the authority of the Executive
the third branch, congress, will see to that

Obama put congress on notice that he was no longer waiting on it to work with him on those things he could do alone, via the legal authority of his Executive office
he waited five years too long, but it's a start

That's not how it works, but thanks for showing us the latest spin. Where did you get that from? Dailykos?

If you took any college courses on American Government, get your money back
 
That's not how it works, but thanks for showing us the latest spin. Where did you get that from? Dailykos?

If you took any college courses on American Government, get your money back

We can't shut the country down just because the GOP is in a snit.
 
We can't shut the country down just because the GOP is in a snit.

So your opinion is that the GOP House shutdown the govt. and Obama along with the Senate had nothing to do with it? Have you ever taken a civics class?
 
I agree that the 77 cents on the dollar icon is closer to good advertising than it is to rigorous statistics.

However it is advertising a legitimate problem that requires, unfortunately, government intervention to fix, at least in our lifetimes. Business could choose to fix it without intervention, but their one principle, make more money, regardless of the cost to others, prevents it.
Doesn't make sense. I agree that businesses operate on the guiding principle of making money. Related to that, they pay employees the least amount they can get away with and still retain that employee.( that btw , is the guiding principle behinde he yankess paying Tanka 215 million- that is the LEAST amount thay thought they could offer and be assured of signing him). But if this is THE guiding princple why would they pay men more than women, unless you are contradicting yourself and claiming sexism is actually the overriding principle.
 
I've not seen anyone really disagreeing that there is a wage gap, but simply suggesting that there's hardly one universally absolute method in which to read it and that each method of how to determine it can have its flaws and issues depending on WHAT you're actually looking ot measure. And that while it may exist, the extent that it exists in a way that needs active government intervention to be able to fix is in dispute.

It is generally accepted among economists and sociologists that a glass ceiling/escalator poses a problem for females in the jobs market. Just how much, and establishing causality, will be a venue for future research and data analysis. That being said, this is not simply a U.S. phenomenon, but again the U.S. does rank 23rd out of a 68 country panel.

For more information, see the 2013 Gender Gap report via the World Economic Forum.
 
Why do you care what a private company pays its CEO's and how does their pay affect you and your family? No one forced anyone to take a job in the private sector and they knew going in what the pay scale was going to be. All I see from people today is jealousy and making a non issue even more of one.

Vitriol fueled rants will not garner a productive response.
 
The only thing that it's contrary to is our democracy. Republicans seem unaware of that, which is, I would guess, a fatal flaw.

Government of, by, for the people governed.

No, it's not and you show an ignorance of history, not to mention the present. And if you believed that last you'd realise the republicans represent America, after all, they're a majority of the People's House, right?
 
not by total votes--just gerry-mander
No, it's not and you show an ignorance of history, not to mention the present. And if you believed that last you'd realise the republicans represent America, after all, they're a majority of the People's House, right?
 
It is generally accepted among economists and sociologists that a glass ceiling/escalator poses a problem for females in the jobs market. Just how much, and establishing causality, will be a venue for future research and data analysis.

Which is why I originally stated I liked the article that was linked. The article didn't deny or suggest that there wasn't a pay gap...it simply suggested that the steadfast use of $0.77 on the dollar is not as clear cut as it's made out to be and the implications made with it's continued use aren't exactly absolute. As you say, research and analysis regarding how much of an impact things like a "glass ceiling" play for it, and finding out what factors correlate with rather than cause the gap, is definitely needed. I liked the link because it basically highlighted how it's a complex situation with numerous factors and a wide range of ways to view it beyond the narrowly focused, but oft repeated, "$0.77" mantra that's used as justification for immediete congressional action.
 
not by total votes--just gerry-mander

Actually, they did garner more votes than Democrats in the 2012 election, if you normalize the state-by-state reporting differences.
 
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