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Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi [W:185]

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grip said:
Naturally, though if I had more money than I or my family could spend in several lifetimes hopefully I would be a little more altruistic towards humanity as a whole. These people are the leaders, employers, mover and shakers of the world who should see that it's in their own best interests to get the general populace employed and paid well for their own business models to prosper in the future. They rely 70% on retail sales and if they strip all the money out of the average buyers pockets they slow the very growth and productivity they're reliant on.
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Easy to say from the side that has NO CLUE what it is to have built something to attain that sort of wealth...But, since you answer "naturally" to the question I asked on self interests, why would you expect anyone else to do otherwise?
 
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Cardinal said:
Criticizing rich people = rounding up and murdering six million Jews.

Sure, nothing watered down about that. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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history you falied at.... your ignorance is on display along with your crassness
 
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j-mac said:
Oh come now...Just because you want so hard to dismiss the thought of it, I think you are letting your own opinion get in the way. It is clear what the push of Obama was with that narrative...And many American's found it offensive.




We could deal with it in many ways that have nothing to do with Government intervention.



Union membership is a relic of a foregone past. They no longer have a place in today's society. Many have seen, and hopefully learned the lesson of what out of control negotiations have done to harm business, and jobs, and don't want to repeat that nightmare. As for education I agree. We need stronger focus on educating our young people, and less focus on nonsense degrees, and tenured, bloated administrations that do little to educate, and are all about protecting the academic bloat.



Agreed, but the current populist bent, unfortunately is all about nationalizing.



Why should they? If I worked hard all my life to build wealth, and did things right to get there, why should I just give it up? What's the incentive in that case to get there?
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Well, the incentive is clearly the fear of persecution by neo nazis who hate wealth.

But, we've strayed a long way from the original discussion, and into areas in which you and I have more agreement than disagreement. The original article was not about middle class America, but about the wealthy 1% and the somewhat absurd fear that they could be attacked the way the Jews were attacked in Nazi Germany. From the article:

In his letter titled "Progressive Kristallnacht Coming?" Mr Perkins said: "Writing from the epicentre of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its 'one per cent', namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one per cent, namely the rich.
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Calling for taxes on the rich is a long way from wanting to round them up and put them in concentration camps, don't you think?
So, I started out by poking a bit of fun at the poor billionaire and his fears, or more accurately, his hyperbola.

This thread didn't have to be Godwined, it started out that way.

Now, we've come to Obama, to his statement that the wealthy didn't build the infrastructure that allowed them to become wealthy, to the supposed "class warfare" in a nation in which titles of nobility are prohibited by the supreme law of the land.

Oh, and unions may be a thing of the past, but that is one of the problems, not one of the solutions.
 
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j-mac said:
Easy to say from the side that has NO CLUE what it is to have built something to attain that sort of wealth...But, since you answer "naturally" to the question I asked on self interests, why would you expect anyone else to do otherwise?
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You have no idea what side I'm from. And as far as self interests, I already explained it's in their interest to keep the money flowing. If you can't understand how the economy is connected by a society of people and that if a majority are made poor by the top few it will hurt them also, then I can't make you comprehend.

But eventually everyone will see the results.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
It doesn't even come CLOSE.

For those who truly call for all rich to have everything taken away, that's wrong and that's in an extreme minority.

For those who say the rich should contribute more in taxes because they have benefited the most from society... you can hardly characterize that as "demonization".

Certainly nothing remotely comparable to the demonization that jews endured under the third reich.

It does a great deal of insult to the people who actually went through the holocaust and what preceded it to suggest this gentlemans comparison is anything but crap.
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Analogy is not equation. The analogy was simply noting a similarity, as of style. Saying someone is dumb as a doorknob does not mean you think the person is actually a doorknob.
 
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Cardinal said:
The point is in order to score a really, really cheap point you're watering down what made Hitler specifically so terrible, all so you can stretch and contort an analogy into impossible positions. When you do this enough Hitler becomes a humorous internet meme.
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Thats why Obama is only using the rich to brainwash people into hatred.. watch tonight.." ladders of opportunity" will be the new catch pharse to demonize tghe evil rich that Obama needs as the enemy as he looks to take away our gun rights and make us vulnerable to riots and much worse... look at Europe? hows that working out?

can you imaging if GWB demonized a group of people... like this shmuck B Hussein Obama
 
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grip said:
You have no idea what side I'm from. And as far as self interests, I already explained it's in their interest to keep the money flowing. If you can't understand how the economy is connected by a society of people and that if a majority are made poor by the top few it will hurt them also, then I can't make you comprehend.

But eventually everyone will see the results.
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GEEEBUS... is scary how far from reality you are... its Obama WHO IS MAKING PEOPLE POOR!!!!!!! NOT THE RICH. Holy sh*t your post was scary...
The "Top few" as you say create the jobs that pull the poor up to have upward mobility....

HOLY CRAP... we are all doomed by ignorance
 
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Cardinal said:
Criticizing rich people = rounding up and murdering six million Jews.

Sure, nothing watered down about that. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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no you should be..
 
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Travis007 said:
GEEEBUS... is scary how far from relaity you are... its Obama WHO IS MAKING PEOPLE POOR!!!!!!! not the Rich.. Holy sh*t your post was scary...
The "Top few" as you say create the jobs that pull the poor up to have upward mobility....

HOLY CRAP... we are all doomed by ignorance
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The top few have eliminated more jobs with technology, employee reduction, overseas and immigration cheap labor than any other source. All Obama has done is stop the poorest from literally starving. He has little ability besides with the FED, TARP and bailouts to affect employment. Even the spending has kept gov employees and contractors paid.

The ignorance and fear being spewed isn't from me.
 
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Travis007 said:
Thast why Obama is only using the rich to brainwash people into hatred.. watch tonight.." ladders of opportunity" will be the new catch pharse to demonize tghe evil rich that Obama needs as the enemy as he looks to take away our gun rights and make us vulnerable to riots and much worse... look at Europe? hows that working out?
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Well, the Europeans, at least the ones in western Europe, have a higher standard of living than we have in the USA by any objective measure, but then, that's really not the point is it?

What, exactly, has Obama done to take away our gun rights? It seems to me that he has done more to promote gun ownership than anyone, although he did it inadvertently. What has happened to the sales of arms and ammunition since he took office?

No, if your objective is to bash Obama, it would be much better to stick to real issues, like Bengazi, like all of the hitches that came with Obamacare, with that enormous deficit, with the growing power of the big banks, other things that are real.
 
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Can we change the thread title of "Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York" to:

Big Apple Millionaire bans average Americans from Streets
 
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j-mac said:
Acceptable to whom? Are you suggesting that we have to never again mention the relation to a certain time in history comparable mindsets because the events in total were deplorable? It doesn't make the comparisons any less valid.
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No, think of it more like antibiotics. Yes, we can treat minor infections with the most aggressive/powerful antibiotic regime, but we don't because that would render it useless over time.

If Nazi's are a good example of certain human failures and the enormous tragedy they can lead to, why use it for every single debate ever...it loses it's effect. And given that people understandable associate near genocide and world wars with Nazi beliefs, it's hard to argue about the beliefs without also having to show why it's near genocide/world war. And that argument has merit.

I do agree though that we do need some reminders in our every day society about how on the razors edge human society has always been, and how we are still there today. I think we're missing leadership in the country frankly. I mean, we have to rely on entertainers like John Stewart and Rush L. to "lead" on culture. It's bizarre.
 
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Cardinal said:
Criticizing rich people = rounding up and murdering six million Jews.

Sure, nothing watered down about that. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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To be fair, that's not what the gentleman was saying as outlined in the article in the OP. In my view, he was analogizing the "whisper campaign" against jews in Nazi Germany, building public resentment and jealousy against them, to the type of demonizing that many on the extremes of the left, and occasionally the President, does/do in delegitimizing the wealth honestly created and accumulated by some. It can be epitomized by the catchy "pay your fair share" liberal/Obama campaigns that imply the rich don't pay their fair share into the federal coffers when far more on the other end of the spectrum pay nothing to the wellbeing of the nation.

In no way did the gentleman speak of or imply there was an equivalency with murdering innocent jews. That take is simply a convenient dismissal of the point the man was trying to make.

In fact, no one should ever use an analogy that references Nazis in any way because regardless of the validity of the comparison, it is invariably dismissed out of hand using emotional blackmail.
 
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grip said:
The top few have eliminated more jobs with technology, employee reduction, overseas and immigration cheap labor than any other source. All Obama has done is stop the poorest from literally starving. He has little ability besides with the FED, TARP and bailouts to affect employment. Even the spending has kept gov employees and contractors paid.

The ignorance and fear being spewed isn't from me.
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It sure is being spewed by you.. the "Top few" have also created more jobs then any other "group"...
 
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j-mac said:
What exactly don't you understand about the build up before the concentration camps, and the murder, and the demonetization that took place before anyone that was killed? It has been explained a few times in the thread...I suggest you go back and re read, then maybe you can discuss the subject intelligently....
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What people don't understand is the argument that criticizing a group leads to the holocaust.

It's rich coming from the conservative posters on this thread that commonly use words like "moochers" or "takers" for the poor or a hundred different derogatory words you guys use for people that don't agree with you politically.
 
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Travis007 said:
It sure is being spewed by you.. the "Top few" have also created more jobs then any other "group"...
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Uh.. they would have no choice if they wanted to do business. They're leeches more than magnanimous benefactors.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
In fact, no one should ever use an analogy that references Nazis in any way because regardless of the validity of the comparison, it is invariably dismissed out of hand using emotional blackmail.
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Ehhh...you say it's emotional blackmail I say it's because 99.9999% of the time any comparison to the treatment of Jews under the reign of the Nazi's is hyperbolic to the point of being ludicrous. T
 
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iliveonramen said:
Ehhh...you say it's emotional blackmail I say it's because 99.9999% of the time any comparison to the treatment of Jews under the reign of the Nazi's is hyperbolic to the point of being ludicrous. T
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Actually, it's more a knee-jerk reaction that almost always accompanies any use of the word Nazi - it's like Pavlov's dog.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, that's not what the gentleman was saying as outlined in the article in the OP. In my view, he was analogizing the "whisper campaign" against jews in Nazi Germany, building public resentment and jealousy against them, to the type of demonizing that many on the extremes of the left, and occasionally the President, does/do in delegitimizing the wealth honestly created and accumulated by some. It can be epitomized by the catchy "pay your fair share" liberal/Obama campaigns that imply the rich don't pay their fair share into the federal coffers when far more on the other end of the spectrum pay nothing to the wellbeing of the nation.

In no way did the gentleman speak of or imply there was an equivalency with murdering innocent jews. That take is simply a convenient dismissal of the point the man was trying to make.

In fact, no one should ever use an analogy that references Nazis in any way because regardless of the validity of the comparison, it is invariably dismissed out of hand using emotional blackmail.
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What makes these analogies precisely so stupid is the people making them always back up to some point in Nazi Germany's rise that would be characteristic of every nation and situation on earth...one so universal that it ceases to set itself apart from what distinguishes Nazi Germany as historically unique. If you want to go with a "whisper" propaganda campaign against rich people as somehow analogous to the rise of the persecution of the Jews, then how would you characterize the campaign against liberals by Fox News and am radio? By the OP's standard that would be full-on 1938 Germany. But of course I'm not going to make that point because it's stupid. What's important about Nazi Germany is the choices it made as it moved from the petty squabbling and political demagoguery you see every day here in the U.S. and into something genuinely horrific.

Otherwise, you're logically involving yourself in a race to the bottom whereby art schools who deny entry to students are knowingly trying to engender the next megalomaniacal psychopath.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Actually, it's more a knee-jerk reaction that almost always accompanies any use of the word Nazi - it's like Pavlov's dog.
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And it should have a knee-jerk reaction. The holocaust is one of the worst events in all of human history.
 
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Cardinal said:
What makes these analogies precisely so stupid is the people making them always back up to some point in Nazi Germany's rise that would be characteristic of every nation and situation on earth...one so universal that it ceases to set itself apart from what distinguishes Nazi Germany as historically unique. If you want to go with a "whisper" propaganda campaign against rich people as somehow analogous to rise of the persecution of the Jews, then how would you characterize the campaign against liberals by Fox News and am radio? By the OP's standard that would be full-on 1938 Germany. But of course I'm not going to make that point because it's stupid. What's important about Nazi Germany is the choices it made as it moved from the petty squabbling and political demagoguery you see every day here in the U.S. and into something genuinely horrific.

Otherwise, you're logically involving yourself in a race to the bottom whereby art schools who deny entry to students are knowingly trying to engender the next megalomaniacal psychopath.
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My only disagreement with what you've presented here is that there really is no comparison between the "campaigns" of political parties and government leaders to the "ratings campaigns" of private television. Now, if you were talking about government funded television, I'd agree with you.

My point simply was that any references to Nazis is wasted energy because by doing so you dismiss your argument before it even gets a chance to set down roots. Say the word Nazis and the tskers come out in droves to shout you down, regardless of any validity your argument may possess.
 
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iliveonramen said:
And it should have a knee-jerk reaction. The holocaust is one of the worst events in all of human history. People criticizing and asking the rich to pay higher taxes isn't even close
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Perhaps you'd be kind enough to show me where in the gentleman's argument he compared people paying higher taxes to the holocaust. In fact, I don't believe he mentioned either taxes or the holocaust.

This is, unwittingly on your part, proof of my argument.
 
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grip said:
Uh.. they would have no choice if they wanted to do business. They're leeches more than magnanimous benefactors.
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wow.. so Obama stealing their money is how wealth is created and jobs created... who knew?
 
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iliveonramen said:
And it should have a knee-jerk reaction. The holocaust is one of the worst events in all of human history.
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and Obama is using the same Nazi tactic.. where is your outrage?...
 
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