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Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi [W:185]

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polgara said:
and the trend is heading in the wrong direction.
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:shrug:

Well, i tried. You only see what you want to see; a problem more and more common among the conservative base.
 
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Kushinator said:
I already did. post #327
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No you didn't. That's a lie! I can play that game, too.
 
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apdst said:
No you didn't. That's a lie! I can play that game, too.
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Can you not read, or do you refuse to acknowledge anything that sheds light on your false perception of reality?
 
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Proud South Korean said:
Trying to compare the American rich to the Jews in 1930 is as ridiculous as trying to comparing beer to water.
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Well, if it's light beer, then the latter comparison might not be quite as absurd as the former.
 
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You know, I have no problem with capitalism and ultra rich billionaires, God bless them and more power to them (figuratively). But when the top 1%-5% use their leverage to an unfair advantage against the rest of the population "itza notta nice."

And for people to say that doesn't happen to a disgusting degree in today's world is just plain weird.
 
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Carjosse said:
Taxes =/= Persecution

There are no parallels to be drawn. A bunch of hippies protesting is not Kristalnacht.
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Well, I'm sure back in the beginning the Germans had similar sentiments.

It's not just the Hippies, we have a president and his party that condones, supports and foments the OWS crap.

I understand his Kristallnacht comparison. It was aimed at those who demonize the 1% who had nothing to do with negative economic results.
The OWS retards and their brethren are regulars when it comes to defacing property, breaking windows and the like. Not quite the organization of peace.
You do recall Obama bad mouthing those on Wall Street/AIG if I recall correctly, the people at the company lived in fear for a while. Though nobody died, it was a similar tactic. FEAR.

That the socialists in the press had a cow about it, did more to spread his greater message.
 
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Carjosse said:
Taxes =/= Persecution

There are no parallels to be drawn. A bunch of hippies protesting is not Kristalnacht.
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It didn't start like that, though, so historical context is at play here. What lead to Kristalnacht was years in the making. Liberals and socialists, cannot simply take down a nation with their stupid ideology, they nudge you little by little. They find targets to envy, usually in the minority but affluent or successful, playing on human nature to covet thy neighbors stuff. Jews were successful even in a down economy, and back in those days, and to some extent even today, Jews are not tightwads, they just spend their money in the Jewish precincts first if available, and if not then outside of their heritage. Hitler, and the Nazi's played off of that resentment, and to this day people still think Jews are evil money grabbing tightwads. It simply is not true. As someone that married into the Jewish faith years ago (Divorced now) I lived in the Jewish community, and interacted with them on a daily basis, and I can tell you flat out that there is much to be admired about the way Jews unconsciously demand ambition from their children. They demand hard work, and effort. I ask you, with almost 8 million Jews in the USA, how many do you know on welfare? I can personally say that I don't know of a single Jewish person on welfare, none.

Take from that what you will?

Tim-
 
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Dittohead not! said:
And comparing anything and everything to the Nazi Holocaust takes the meaning out of such comparisons, don't you think? Rounding up all the billionaires and putting them in concentration camps? Surely you must see the absurdity of that idea.
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You're still being quite dishonest ditto, this isn't about rounding anyone up....yet.
 
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I don't know what's worse -- the guy quoted in the OP going full Godwin, or the conservatives here who are more than willing to go along with it.
 
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j-mac said:
You're still being quite dishonest ditto, this isn't about rounding anyone up....yet.
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Sounds like it to me, based on the OP rant. What do you think it's about? Breaking their windows?
 
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I also find it interesting that people keep bring up "DERRRRP OCCUPY." That was almost three years ago.
 
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j-mac said:
If I may tap into your vast wisdom here Cap?....If the thread is a huge failure, and it is pure fallacy to compare anything to 1930s Germany ever, or even to discuss it, or try to is subject to scoff, and ridicule, then are we not doomed to repeat it?
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In order to accurately compare something to 1930's Nazi Germany, one has to show accurate comparisons and similar situations. This is so exceedingly rare, that when one DOES it appropriately, there is practically never any disagreement. This is not about forgetting what happened. This is about using hackish hyperbole in a discussion about an issue.
 
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apdst said:
The government wouldn't fudge the numbers...LOL!!!
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Let's see... who should one believe, an idiotic number from an extremist right wing site, or number that is within reason from the Department of Labor? That's an easy one. If you understand statistics and how to research numbers, you choose the latter. If you don't care about accuracy and just want to find something that conforms to your agenda, you choose the former. Now, let's see if you can show some integrity, apdst, and admit that you were wrong.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Let's see... who should one believe, an idiotic number from an extremist right wing site, or number that is within reason from the Department of Labor? That's an easy one. If you understand statistics and how to research numbers, you choose the latter. If you don't care about accuracy and just want to find something that conforms to your agenda, you choose the former. Now, let's see if you can show some integrity, apdst, and admit that you were wrong.
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Apdst hasn't had a very good couple of days in terms of "being right."
 
j-mac said:
I can't say I agree with him fully, although, there is something in the air concerning progressives that is disconcerting to say the least...The outright hate for those who have made lots of money, rooted in mostly jealous rage could boil over, but I don't think we are there now...What he says is spot on though.
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The fact that he compares himself to the plight the Jews faced under Nazi Germany shows just how far he is from reality and the public at large. People are pissed off at massive income inequality and you should to as wealth gaps are quite related to social ills (This Is How Income Inequality Destroys Societies - Business Insider)
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
In order to accurately compare something to 1930's Nazi Germany, one has to show accurate comparisons and similar situations. This is so exceedingly rare, that when one DOES it appropriately, there is practically never any disagreement. This is not about forgetting what happened. This is about using hackish hyperbole in a discussion about an issue.
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Well, I or the author of the op wishes to use hackish hyperbole, but to be fair, the comparison was not in the whole of the horror that was Nazi Germany either, but only a select portion in the early stages of the time. This has been explained many times throughout, and ignored. That I would say is the hackish hyperbole.

We are not generalizing "all" anyone, nor are we saying that the rich ate destined for any particular fate.

What is happening is an underlying campaign to slander, and lie about "the rich" in ways that rile certain fringes of society. And its wrong.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Let's see... who should one believe, an idiotic number from an extremist right wing site, or number that is within reason from the Department of Labor? That's an easy one. If you understand statistics and how to research numbers, you choose the latter. If you don't care about accuracy and just want to find something that conforms to your agenda, you choose the former. Now, let's see if you can show some integrity, apdst, and admit that you were wrong.
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CNBC is an extremist Right Wing site?
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I or the author of the op wishes to use hackish hyperbole, but to be fair, the comparison was not in the whole of the horror that was Nazi Germany either, but only a select portion in the early stages of the time.
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You are misrepresenting what Perkins said. Nothing in his letter restricted it to "a select portion in the early stages of the time"

He compared it to 1930's Germany. In 1933, Germany forced Jews out of many jobs. A few years later, they forced the out of schools, theaters, and other public spaces as well as certain parts of the cities (ie ghettoization). Then came the organized pogroms.

His comparison was way off base.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I or the author of the op wishes to use hackish hyperbole, but to be fair, the comparison was not in the whole of the horror that was Nazi Germany either, but only a select portion in the early stages of the time. This has been explained many times throughout, and ignored. That I would say is the hackish hyperbole.

We are not generalizing "all" anyone, nor are we saying that the rich ate destined for any particular fate.

What is happening is an underlying campaign to slander, and lie about "the rich" in ways that rile certain fringes of society. And its wrong.
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As soon as you bring Nazi Germany into the picture, you paint hackish hyperbole that makes your argument look weak and over emotional. Whether it was the 40's or the 30's, there is no comparison between the two issues that are being discussed. The explanations do not refute that.

As far as slander towards the rich, there is just as many attacks and slander towards the poor... and towards others. I have no sympathy towards either group.
 
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apdst said:
CNBC is an extremist Right Wing site?
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You posted a link to a google search that comprised mostly of right wing hack sites. You have been shown to be absolutely wrong about the 92 million number. Are you going to show integrity and admit this error, or stay true to your agenda and keep professing it?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
As soon as you bring Nazi Germany into the picture, you paint hackish hyperbole that makes your argument look weak and over emotional. Whether it was the 40's or the 30's, there is no comparison between the two issues that are being discussed. The explanations do not refute that.
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Well, that's your opinion CC, and I understand that. I don't think that it is totally wrong to look at points in history, and see what happened to lead up to the horrors in order to learn, and when I see things that are similar in terms of culture, and events, then it is proper to compare and see if we are traveling down that road again. Apparently you on the other hand find the comparison embarrassing for the segment of society that are preaching the hatred toward a small portion of society in this country that is similar to sentiments expressed by Jewish society in Germany. Although I would say that instead of Perkins comparing it to the '30s I would have said that late '20s would have been more spot on....That was when economic times were suffering in Germany, and the rhetoric blaming societies ills of the time were blamed on those that had means, in many cases then, the Jewish population.

As far as slander towards the rich, there is just as many attacks and slander towards the poor... and towards others. I have no sympathy towards either group.
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Really? For the life of me, I can not think of one protest rally that took over large sections of major cities, with police at the ready, where the participants spoke of the poor in ways that they should just kill themselves....
 
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j-mac said:
Well, that's your opinion CC, and I understand that. I don't think that it is totally wrong to look at points in history, and see what happened to lead up to the horrors in order to learn, and when I see things that are similar in terms of culture, and events, then it is proper to compare and see if we are traveling down that road again. Apparently you on the other hand find the comparison embarrassing for the segment of society that are preaching the hatred toward a small portion of society in this country that is similar to sentiments expressed by Jewish society in Germany. Although I would say that instead of Perkins comparing it to the '30s I would have said that late '20s would have been more spot on....That was when economic times were suffering in Germany, and the rhetoric blaming societies ills of the time were blamed on those that had means, in many cases then, the Jewish population.
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I find it interesting that you would say that I find the comparison "embarrassing". That's not the word I would have used. "Idiotic" is one. "Hyperbolic" is another. "Hackish" is another. Yeah, words like that. Nothing close to "embarrassing. You also might want to do a little bit of studying on the rise of the Nazi party and why the Jews were targeted. Wealth was only one of many reasons. Further, you can't make the comparison without looking at the progression. No, j-mac, the comparison is "idiotic", "hyperbolic", and "hackish". Nothing more.

Really? For the life of me, I can not think of one protest rally that took over large sections of major cities, with police at the ready, where the participants spoke of the poor in ways that they should just kill themselves....
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Really? Where did I confine by comments to rallies? Read what people at DP say about the poor. Then you'll have your answer. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Plenty of comments from outside of DP, too. Rallies? Think outside the box you created, j-mac.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I find it interesting that you would say that I find the comparison "embarrassing". That's not the word I would have used. "Idiotic" is one. "Hyperbolic" is another. "Hackish" is another. Yeah, words like that. Nothing close to "embarrassing. You also might want to do a little bit of studying on the rise of the Nazi party and why the Jews were targeted. Wealth was only one of many reasons. Further, you can't make the comparison without looking at the progression. No, j-mac, the comparison is "idiotic", "hyperbolic", and "hackish". Nothing more.



Really? Where did I confine by comments to rallies? Read what people at DP say about the poor. Then you'll have your answer. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Plenty of comments from outside of DP, too. Rallies? Think outside the box you created, j-mac.
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So, you think your own description was hyperbolic, and hackish? We agree on that then.

Secondly, you have to define "poor".
 
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j-mac said:
So, you think your own description was hyperbolic, and hackish? We agree on that then.
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No, I find the comparison in the OP to be hyperbolic, idiotic, and hackish. I'm certain I was clear about that.

Secondly, you have to define "poor".
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I don't need to as it isn't my argument. It's the argument of those who have supported the hyperbolic, idiotic, and hackish OP. I use THEIR definition.
 
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