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Shooting at Maryland Shopping Mall.

Interesting. There are some employees who ate not opening locked doors even when the police have identified themselves.
They gave permission to breach the doors with shotguns.
 
Interesting. There are some employees who ate not opening locked doors even when the police have identified themselves.
They gave permission to breach the doors with shotguns.
That's interference. I hope they're charged accordingly.
 
I like how Higgins 'liked' your post when he's the one who didn't wait.

sorry how did I not wait? This is the Breaking News section so I started a thread about a breaking news story, no political agenda or presumptions in my op. You on the other hand are all over the place in this thread.
 
sorry how did I not wait?
The BN forum rules allow you to wait up to 48 hours before making your thread. You made a thread without first knowing all the facts, which is fine if you want off-the-hip commentary, but it doesn't serve discussions of substance.

This is the Breaking News section so I started a thread about a breaking news story, no political agenda or presumptions in my op.
I'm not accusing you of political agenda. You started a thread on a story we know very little about, and then regret that people aren't waiting until we know more. Well, Higgins, you didn't wait either. We all just jumped in, you, me, everyone. Non of us have very much information so there's nothing to post but random commentary.

If you wanted to start a real discussion on this incident in the BN forum, you should have waited until this evening or tomorrow when more information will be available.

You on the other hand are all over the place in this thread.
That's what happens when you just want to be the first to make a thread on something.
 
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Gee, maybe they are just scared.

Cripe.
And the cops aren't? That's no excuse to knowingly refuse entrance to LEOs who identified themselves. These employees are just making it worse. If I were breaching that door I would feel certain that an armed criminal were cornered and about to make their last stand.
 
The BN forum rules allow you to wait up to 48 hours before making your thread. You made a thread without first knowing all the facts, which is fine if you want off-the-hip commentary, but it doesn't serve discussions of substance.


I'm not accusing you of political agenda. You started a thread on a story we know very little about, and then regret that people aren't waiting until we know more. Well, Higgins, you didn't wait either. We all just jumped in, you, me, everyone. Non of us have very much information so there's nothing to post but random commentary.

If you wanted to start a real discussion on this incident in the BN forum, you should have waited until tomorrow when more information will be available.

That's what happens with these kinds of threads.


Then its not breaking news....Whole point of the breaking news thread it to report on breaking news and update as you go, it is a place for posters to keep each other informed on events as they happen. The whole gun ownership, gun control argument doesnt belong in the thread.
 
Or quicker still. Get that good guy with a gun to take care of that bad guy with a gun. And this will be over with before you know it. :2razz:
Unfortunately Maryland is a may-issue state and you have to basically be a LEO or a criminal to have a gun.
 
Then its not breaking news....
Of course it is. Anything within the last 48 hours is braking.

Whole point of the breaking news thread it to report on breaking news and update as you go, it is a place for posters to keep each other informed on events as they happen.
There's nothing wrong with making such threads. It just didn't make sense that you would make a thread to share updates as they became available, and then 'like' a post that was telling everyone to wait until we know more before posting at all. The 2 just don't jive together. Did you want updates, or did you want to wait?

The whole gun ownership, gun control argument doesnt belong in the thread.
You know how these things always, always go. There's a shooting, then before the sun is down the media has as many bodies and crying people in front of the camera as possible. Then the politicians line up in front of the cameras disavowing 'weapons of war' being 'on the streets'. Within a couple weeks we'll be talking about a new gun control bill being proposed as a direct result of this shooting. Those are updates you can expect to see, and you said you do expect to see updates on this thread.
 
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Of course it is. Anything within the last 48 hours is braking.


There's nothing wrong with making such threads. It just didn't make sense that you would make a thread to share updates as they became available, and then 'like' a post that was telling everyone to wait until we know more before posting at all. The 2 just don't jive together. Did you want updates, or did you want to wait?


You know how these things always, always go. There's a shooting, then before the sun is down the media has as many bodies and crying people in front of the camera as possible. Then the politicians line up in front of the cameras disavowing 'weapons of war' being 'on the streets'. Within a couple weeks we'll be talking about a new gun control bill being proposed as a direct result of this shooting. Those are updates you can expect to see, and you said you do expect to see updates on this thread.

The post I liked I thought was referring to people jumping straight into the blame game before the facts came out not the thread itself.
 
Only 3 dead. Nothing to see here and hardly worth a CNN special. Everybody knows unless it hits double digits is strictly a one hour story. Move on.

This happens frequently on any given weekend in Chicago's south side. If a shooting takes place in middle class/upper class neighborhoods, it then becomes newsworthy as the target audience eats it up.

Case in point.

Case in point II.
 
Only 3 dead. Nothing to see here and hardly worth a CNN special. Everybody knows unless it hits double digits is strictly a one hour story. Move on.
Unfortunately that's really true at an individual level as well, not just media. I admit it, when I saw "3" I kind of felt dismissive of it. Truth is we have little murders day in and day out, I didn't realize how many really til I ended up in Phoenix for a year and now SoCal. Boise was pretty tame, but it's also tiny and fairly uniform. The only real reason it made national news is because it was 3 at a mall. Had it been 3 young, innercity kids on the street or drive by type, it'd only be local news.
 
Only 3 dead. Nothing to see here and hardly worth a CNN special. Everybody knows unless it hits double digits is strictly a one hour story. Move on.

They only cover it when kids are involved. Nothing like the blood of children....those media outlets foam at the mouth for that stuff.
 
I noticed something else about this sensationalism....it's racist. Extremely.

They only report it when white people are involved. There is RAMPANT violence in Chicago. Black on black gang crime, and the numbers are extraordinary, yet no media attention.
 
I like how Higgins 'liked' your post when he's the one who didn't wait.

What so you mean. He posted the story and said he hopes the injury count doesn't go up, and said nothing else. What did he not wait to do?
 
What so you mean. He posted the story and said he hopes the injury count doesn't go up, and said nothing else. What did he not wait to do?
It was a misunderstanding. We've moved on.
 
What so you mean. He posted the story and said he hopes the injury count doesn't go up, and said nothing else. What did he not wait to do?

Be British.

**** that limey ****~!!!
 
Unfortunately that's really true at an individual level as well, not just media. I admit it, when I saw "3" I kind of felt dismissive of it. Truth is we have little murders day in and day out, I didn't realize how many really til I ended up in Phoenix for a year and now SoCal. Boise was pretty tame, but it's also tiny and fairly uniform. The only real reason it made national news is because it was 3 at a mall. Had it been 3 young, innercity kids on the street or drive by type, it'd only be local news.


Well, inner-city youth violence is also much more common and unremarkable. That's what happens when criminality becomes a way of life and socially normalized
 
Unfortunately we can never be 100% safe in the world. We can have measures to reduce the number of fatalities in such event but we can never be completely safe.

Do not want to go down the slippery pathway of No guns or Everyone have gun because even those two measures do not provide 100% safety.


It is just like after every teen auto vehicle death due to DUI. There is the public outcry for teens to think twice before getting behind the wheel drunk but in reality we all know it will happen again.

The best one can do is to have response plans to possible disasters as we will see this scenario again.

The question in this incident why with so much ammo on him did he decide to kill himself after only killing two people.
 
Well, inner-city youth violence is also much more common and unremarkable. That's what happens when criminality becomes a way of life and socially normalized
Like mall/school/public places are becoming. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
 
Like mall/school/public places are becoming. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Yes, if one completely lacked the ability to recognize the disparity in "rate of occurrence" between the two one might reach that conclusion. For example, there are inner city neighborhoods where the chances you will become a victim of violent crime is 1 in 7. Do you think similar numbers exist for malls and schools? By all accounts, such mass shootings are still relatively rare and account for an extremely small number of gun crimes and murders in this country.

Hence, they are more newsworthy and generate more interest
 
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Yes, if one completely lacked the ability to recognize the disparity in "rate of occurrence" between the two one might reach that conclusion. For example, there are inner city neighborhoods where the chances you will become a victim of violent crime is 1 in 7. Do you think similar numbers exist for malls and schools? By all accounts, such mass shootings are still relatively rare and account for an extremely small number of gun crimes and murders in this country. Hence, they are more newsworthy and generate more interest
Unless one is oblivious to the fact that it is becoming nearly the same with rate of occurrence. I sure don't think it's my imagination that this sort of shoot 'em up at schools/public places where the death toll is under 5 is becoming pretty regular.
BTW it also seems this was targeted to two specific people and not a random shoot 'em up as originally suspected. So again, it's kind of back into the "normal" column except for the fact that the place where the two people were happened to be the mall store.
 
Unless one is oblivious to the fact that it is becoming nearly the same with rate of occurrence.

LOL~!!!

I sure don't think it's my imagination that this sort of shoot 'em up at schools/public places where the death toll is under 5 is becoming pretty regular.

do you understand how common such violence would need to be for the likelihood to be even half of the above figure? No, of course you don't, because it's obvious you don't even think before you reply
 
LOL~!!!



do you understand how common such violence would need to be for the likelihood to be even half of the above figure? No, of course you don't, because it's obvious you don't even think before you reply
All I've said is that the frequency is increasing to the point that we are becoming enured to it in response to a person noting that because of only 3 dead it won't stay in the news long. Like it or not, that's accurate. It's not a good thing, it's just an factual thing.
 
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