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ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W:91]

Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

The comparison argument doesn't fly with me.

Pot and alcohol are different as are their effects both short time and long term.

When it comes down to it, by legalizing pot your allowing it to wash into the Communities that MY kids have to grow up in.

And its effects ARE self destructive.

Why does a stoners self destructive habit have to infringe upon my wanting to raise my family in a Community not awash with idiot stoners ?

Why does his "rights" supercede mine ?

Again...what makes you think so many more people will be smoking? Anyone that wants it now gets it, pretty easily.

And you are way off base when you dismiss the affects of pot as worse than booze. Pot is much less dangerous to ones health AND mental state and does not cause the violence that alcohol does. Long AND short term.

And I do drink but I dont smoke pot and dont plan to start.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

With regards to the supposition that alot more people will be smoking pot,think about this:

Millions of people try alcohol and cigarettes. Most people who continue to drink do NOT become alcoholics.

And of the ones that try cigarettes....many dont become addicted and keep smoking. I'm sure most people have tried smoking cigarettes, didnt like it and dropped it.

People try things and often dont like them or become interested in them.

I tried smoking a few times in my early teens. Thankfully I didnt like it and didnt care enough about being cool.

So probably some people will try pot....some will like it and some wont. I never really saw the attraction myself....not worth the $$ for the high and I dont like inhaling smoke. Bongs were ok I guess.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Well then I guess you are for prohibition
then since kids, due to either the fault of the parents or someone buying it for them, might have alcohol too right?

There are NEGATIVE effects to teens and alcohol as well. So are you for prohibition then?

Pot and alcohol are different.

The REAL issue is that your'e allowing an additional chemical to flood into a society that I have to raise my family in.

And all because some stoner wants continue with his self destructive habit.

Pots effects on the young minds of highly impressionable teenagers can lead to life long issues.

Why do we have laws at all ?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Again...what makes you think so many more
people will be smoking? Anyone that wants it now gets it, pretty easily.

And you are way off base when you dismiss the affects of pot as worse than booze. Pot is much less dangerous to ones health AND mental state and does not cause the violence that alcohol does. Long AND short term.

And I do drink but I dont smoke pot and dont plan to start.

Based on what ? Your opinion ?

Obama's opinion ?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Pot and alcohol are different.

How so, are you saying alcohol is ok for teens to use?

The REAL issue is that your'e allowing an additional chemical to flood into a society that I have to raise my family in.

Already being done with alcohol. Deal with it. Lousy parents are going to let their kids use alcohol as well. No, they are no different in the fact BOTH harm the healthy development of a teen that uses it.

And all because some stoner wants continue with his self destructive habit.

Sorry, that's America, we also have drunks to. Are you for prohibition?

Pots effects on the young minds of highly impressionable teenagers can lead to life long issues.

So does alcohol.


Why do we have laws at all ?

Again, if you aren't for prohibition, making pot illegal is illogical. The fact is BOTH alcohol and pot are unhealthy and prevent healthy development of a teen. That is why both would be FOR ADULTS ONLY.

If you can't parent your kid, don't have one.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

How so, are you saying alcohol is ok for teens to use?




Already being done with alcohol. Deal with it. Lousy parents are going to let their kids use alcohol as well. No, they are no different in the fact BOTH harm the healthy development of a teen that uses it.



Sorry, that's America, we also have drunks to. Are you for prohibition?



So does alcohol.




Again, if you aren't for prohibition, making pot illegal is illogical. The fact is BOTH alcohol and pot are unhealthy and prevent healthy development of a teen. That is why both would be FOR ADULTS ONLY.

If you can't parent your kid, don't have one.

Thats America ? Who's America ?

The stoners ? Yours ? Pot is illegal, in most states and Federally for a damn good reason.

So no, its NOT America.

And I've already addressed your argument based on the alcohol comparison.

Im not going to repeat myself.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Thats America ? Who's America ?

The stoners ? Yours ? Pot is illegal, in most states and Federally for a damn good reason.

So no, its NOT America.

And I've already addressed your argument based on the alcohol comparison.

Im not going to repeat myself.

No it isn't a good reason, just your irrational fear. Again, pot is harmful to teens JUST LIKE ALCOHOL is.

That is why it is for adults only. Deal with it. As soon as people realize how foolish you and others are being by looking at Colorado and Washington, it will be legal everywhere.

Your authoritarianism is clear for all to see.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

No
it isn't a good reason, just your irrational fear. Again, pot is harmful to teens JUST LIKE ALCOHOL is.

That is why it is for adults only. Deal with it. As soon as people realize how foolish you and others are being by looking at Colorado and Washington, it will be legal everywhere.

Your authoritarianism is clear for all to see.

I live in Texas, so I dont have to "deal with it ".

Is keeping black tar heroin illegal a "authortarian" policy ? Laughing gas ?
Cocaine ?

Where do you draw the line ? Do we use the drug addicts position to justify flooding a harmful chemical into a society ?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Pot and alcohol are different.

The REAL issue is that your'e allowing an additional chemical to flood into a society that I have to raise my family in.

And all because some stoner wants continue with his self destructive habit.

Pots effects on the young minds of highly impressionable teenagers can lead to life long issues.

Why do we have laws at all ?

It's called personal freedom..why cant he sit with his doobie the way someone else sits with his beer?

And TV, movies, video games, idiocy on the Internet, PARENTS....all affect these 'highly impressionable teenagers' much more and can lead to life long issues.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

T Pot is illegal, in most states and Federally for a damn good reason.

What reason?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

It's called personal freedom..why cant he sit
with his doobie the way someone else sits with his beer?

And TV, movies, video games, idiocy on the Internet, PARENTS....all affect these 'highly impressionable teenagers' much more and can lead to life long issues.

NO, your "personal freedom" STOPS when it imposes upon my personal freedoms.

Your comparing movies to a highly potent chemical and mild hallucinogen is just desperate flailing.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

NO, your "personal freedom" STOPS when it imposes upon my personal freedoms.

Your comparing movies to a highly potent chemical and mild hallucinogen is just desperate flailing.

So how is someone smoking pot at home any different than the guy drinking a beer at home?

And it's not remotely a fail. Movies, TV, video games, PARENTS and the Internet have ALL been associated with violent behavior in teens and other life-long issues. Not sure such a thing has been documented in pot...maybe, but certainly the links are much stronger in the things I listed.
 
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a highly potent chemical and mild hallucinogen is just desperate flailing.

Er...the only 'affect' people feel from pot is that euphoria from the 'mild' hallucinogenic chemical. So what harm exactly is this 'highly potent chemical' doing? In what way is its influence infringing on your rights?
 
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I live in Texas, so I dont have to "deal with it ".

Is keeping black tar heroin illegal a "authortarian" policy ? Laughing gas ?
Cocaine ?

Where do you draw the line ? Do we use the drug addicts position to justify flooding a harmful chemical into a society ?

Yeah, because TAR HEROIN is the same as pot. :lamo

Your ignorance is the problem. Unless you are asking for prohibition as well, making pot illegal is compeltely illogical.

Pot is the same as alcohol is. BOTH are to be used by ADULTS only. Anything more than that is criminal by either the parents or the person who buys it for them. But BOTH should be LEGAL. And yes, eventually YES, pot will be legal even in Texas when they realize what fools they have been.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

What reason?

Because its a dangerous and destructive drug.

Why is a any drug illegal ? Same reason.

Again, your'e forgetting about my right to want to raise a family in a Community not awash with dangerous chemicals.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Because its a dangerous and destructive drug.

Why is a any drug illegal ? Same reason.

Again, your'e forgetting about my right to want to raise a family in a Community not awash with dangerous chemicals.

So no answer and no reason.

And your community is already awash in dangerous chemicals...car exhaust, air and water pollution, your neighbor's weed killer for his beautiful lawn, factory waste and emissions....not to mention everyone in your community already impaired on an epidemic of PRESCRIPTION drugs.

You have nothing here....you know you cant use a moral argument here and are trying to use law and pseudo-science.

You think 'drugs are bad.' Well for the most part, so do I and the people that use them stupid. No laws against being stupid. I'm an American and believe in personal liberties...not making things illegal just cuz I dont like them. You're not much of a conservative to wish to see a failed GIANT bureaucratic program against pot be eliminated and the laws associated with it.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Yeah, because TAR HEROIN is the same
as pot. :lamo

Your ignorance is the problem. Unless you are asking for prohibition as well, making pot illegal is compeltely illogical.

Pot is the same as alcohol is. BOTH are to be used by ADULTS only. Anything more than that is criminal by either the parents or the person who buys it for them. But BOTH should be LEGAL. And yes, eventually YES, pot will be legal even in Texas when they realize what fools they have been.

How would you know ?

Youv'e applied your arbitrary knowledge of pots dangers without any legitmate study to back it up.

I'm guessing your'e basing the effects of marijuana use on your personal opinion, so why would black tar heroin be any different ?

They're both destructive and people who are high on either one are at a intellectual and physical disadvanatge.

Its their problem until they go out into the society and impose their addiction on the rest of us.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

How would you know ?

Youv'e applied your arbitrary knowledge of pots dangers without any legitmate study to back it up.

I'm guessing your'e basing the effects of marijuana use on your personal opinion, so why would black tar heroin be any different ?

They're both destructive and people who are high on either one are at a intellectual and physical disadvanatge.

Its their problem until they go out into the society and impose their addiction on the rest of us.

You can say the SAME thing about alcohol. When abusing a substance, ANY substance, you are at a intellectual and physical disadvantage. The problem is I bet you like alcohol, so you just believe the MYTH that pot is some sort of great devil weed.

So you are ok with alcohol being "imposed" on you but not pot. It's clear you're letting your ignorance get in the way.

Go read some articles for once. Shall I google them for you too?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Because its a dangerous and destructive drug.

Why is a any drug illegal ? Same reason.

Again, your'e forgetting about my right to want to raise a family in a Community not awash with dangerous chemicals.

First, it's not dangerous. If you have any data to actually support this, let's see it. I smoke just about every evening and I have a great job, a great family, and am a productive, tax paying member of society. Pot has done nothing but enrich my life, and I have at no point ever had destruction or danger in my life because of it.

And you do not have a right to define and control the society your kids live in. There is no such right defined in the constitution. You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You do not get to tell free human beings what they can and can not put in their own bodies. Do you have any respect for liberty whatsoever? Or just for your own contorted view of how people should act?
 
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So no answer and no reason.


And your community is already awash in dangerous chemicals...car exhaust, air and water pollution, your neighbor's weed killer for his beautiful lawn, factory waste and emissions....not to mention everyone in your community already impaired on an epidemic of PRESCRIPTION drugs.

You have nothing here....you know you cant use a moral argument here and are trying to use law and pseudo-science.

You think 'drugs are bad.' Well for the most part, so do I and the people that use them stupid. No laws against being stupid. I'm an American and believe in personal liberties...not making things illegal just cuz I dont like them. You're not much of a conservative to wish to see a failed GIANT bureaucratic program against pot be eliminated and the laws associated with it.

Wow, now your justifying it's use with " car exhaust ".

I tell you what, take 4 kids each from two different bus stops located on heavily traveled roads.

One group is affected by "car exhaust" the other group is stoned.

Test them as soon as they arrive at school on a variety of subjects. Math, Science, English , etc.

Are you saying the group affected by car exhaust is going to test the same as the group high on weed ?

See how ridiculous your argument is ?


Jesus H, just go away. If that the extent of your argument for legalization then youv'e lost.

And yea it cost money to enforce laws. Big deal.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Wow, now your justifying it's use with " car exhaust ".

I tell you what, take 4 kids each from two different bus stops located on heavily traveled roads.

One group is affected by "car exhaust" the other group is stoned.

Test them as soon as they arrive at school on a variety of subjects. Math, Science, English , etc.

Are you saying the group affected by car exhaust is going to test the same as the group high on weed ?

See how ridiculous your argument is ?


Jesus H, just go away. If that the extent of your argument for legalization then youv'e lost.

Alright, go ahead and take 4 students from two different groups. One is high on pot and the other group is drunk and test them on a variety of subjects.

Now, when you realize how stupid that was and that BOTH are not meant for TEENS, then MAYBE, just maybe you might not make such ignorant comparisons. :2wave:
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

Wow, now your justifying it's use with " car exhaust ".

I tell you what, take 4 kids each from two different bus stops located on heavily traveled roads.

One group is affected by "car exhaust" the other group is stoned.

Test them as soon as they arrive at school on a variety of subjects. Math, Science, English , etc.

Are you saying the group affected by car exhaust is going to test the same as the group high on weed ?

See how ridiculous your argument is ?


Jesus H, just go away. If that the extent of your argument for legalization then youv'e lost.

And yea it cost money to enforce laws. Big deal.

They have been doing studies here about schools located next to major highways....they are finding exactly that.

Nice try tho. I'd rather have my kid smoke pot occasionally than be exposed to car exhaust. See how blind your biases make you?
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

What do real medical experts think?

Over the last year, I have been working on a new documentary called "Weed." The title "Weed" may sound cavalier, but the content is not.I traveled around the world to interview medical leaders, experts, growers and patients. I spoke candidly to them, asking tough questions. What I found was stunning.Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."Well, I am here to apologize.I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a*schedule 1 substance*because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse.

The rest of the article can be found here.
 
Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

What do real medical experts think?

The rest of the article can be found here.

I liked this:

"We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that."

Dr. Sanjay Gupta
 
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