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Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

ludin said:
Prove it. the only person spreading hate is you and cuomo.

again liberal open mindedness and tolerance at it's finest.
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Hey, you and your Rightie buddies are the ones throwing a fit over Coumo's remarks.
 
TheNextEra said:
What I find hypocritical about many on the left is they believe that rights for gays shouldn't be voted on, but are ok with gun rights being voted on even though it is a given right in the Constitution.

I don't believe EITHER should be able to be voted on.
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Human rights supersede gun rights, IMO.
 
calamity said:
Hey, you and your Rightie buddies are the ones throwing a fit over Coumo's remarks.
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yes because they are idiotic and stupid thing to say. He basically said all those that don't agree with what i think should leave.
that is the saying of a pompous hat. that is the ranting of an elitist i am better than you liberal punk. which is typical of left wing extremists like
cuomo.
 
according to calamity's "sources" Bush took a shot at athiests once, so that makes it ok for cuomo to go on his loony leftist rant. So I wouldn't bother debating him. How can one argue with that logic?
 
ludin said:
yes because they are idiotic and stupid thing to say. He basically said all those that don't agree with what i think should leave.
that is the saying of a pompous hat. that is the ranting of an elitist i am better than you liberal punk. which is typical of left wing extremists like
cuomo.
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If you managed to put your ideology aside long enough to think, you'd actually hear what Coumo said instead of what you think he said. Basically he said what most Americans believe.

You all who want to deny others their freedom at the end of your assault rifles aren't welcome here.
 
JoeTrumps said:
according to calamity's "sources" Bush took a shot at athiests once, so that makes it ok for cuomo to go on his loony leftist rant. So I wouldn't bother debating him. How can one argue with that logic?
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You can't debate because you can't accept that the archaic anti-gay, anti-abortion pro-god and gun days are slowly coming to an end. Most of the country prefers to accept votes and judges' decisions over those who obstruct progress and want to send us back to 50's. Actually some of your ilk have made it clear that they prefer returning to the days when women were not allowed to vote.
 
again, I have to question how a "centrist" could make such comments. The hyperbole you are exhibiting could only come from a dyed in the wool lefty of the highest order. So if you aren't honest with yourself how can I possibly believe you?

PS thanks for not accusing republicans of wanting to go back to slave days and stopping at the 1950's, thought I'm sure if I give you more time....
 
Paschendale said:
New York does not permit the abrogation of fundamental liberties in order to satisfy some people's religious leanings. Feel free to never obtain an abortion yourself and not to work as an abortion provider. But that is all that liberty entitles you to. You don't get to restrict other people's actions to conform to your religion.
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A self-ascribed socialist who sounds just like a libertarian.

Curiouser and curiouser.
 
Peter Grimm said:
A self-ascribed socialist who sounds just like a libertarian.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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When it comes to personal rights and civil liberties, there's not much difference between the two philosophies. But when it comes to issues of economics, class, wealth disparity, and who has the power, we disagree quite stringently.

This sort of thing is why I don't understand why libertarians vote for Republicans and not Democrats. Liberals and libertarians take the same positions about civil rights. The only real point on contention is guns, but a Democratic party that had to respect the wishes of its pro-gun libertarian constituents would take away what little effort it currently spends on gun control measures. The Republican party is the socially repressive one, stripping people of their rights in the name of one religion. That would put libertarians squarely on the liberal side of social issues. And when it comes to economic measures, neither Rs nor Ds implement a small government agenda. Democrats tax and spend and Republicans spend without taxing. Neither side don't spend, they just spend on different things. Libertarians will never get the small government they want from Rs or Ds, but they will get a freer society, ungoverned by religious mores, from Ds.

I don't understand why libertarians who actually believe in their principles don't vote D. I understand why the ones who are ultimately just selfish pricks and support whatever government methods will just get them personally more wealth or power. But what person who cares enough about politics to come onto this site would place themselves in the second category? Many such posters on this site like to fancy themselves the first kind when they're really the second. So I guess I answered my own question. Libertarians who believe in something greater than themselves go D, libertarians who believe in nothing but themselves go R. Sadly, most libertarians, in my experience, are that latter group.
 
Paschendale said:
When it comes to personal rights and civil liberties, there's not much difference between the two philosophies. But when it comes to issues of economics, class, wealth disparity, and who has the power, we disagree quite stringently.

This sort of thing is why I don't understand why libertarians vote for Republicans and not Democrats. Liberals and libertarians take the same positions about civil rights. The only real point on contention is guns, but a Democratic party that had to respect the wishes of its pro-gun libertarian constituents would take away what little effort it currently spends on gun control measures. The Republican party is the socially repressive one, stripping people of their rights in the name of one religion. That would put libertarians squarely on the liberal side of social issues. And when it comes to economic measures, neither Rs nor Ds implement a small government agenda. Democrats tax and spend and Republicans spend without taxing. Neither side don't spend, they just spend on different things. Libertarians will never get the small government they want from Rs or Ds, but they will get a freer society, ungoverned by religious mores, from Ds.

I don't understand why libertarians who actually believe in their principles don't vote D. I understand why the ones who are ultimately just selfish pricks and support whatever government methods will just get them personally more wealth or power. But what person who cares enough about politics to come onto this site would place themselves in the second category? Many such posters on this site like to fancy themselves the first kind when they're really the second. So I guess I answered my own question. Libertarians who believe in something greater than themselves go D, libertarians who believe in nothing but themselves go R. Sadly, most libertarians, in my experience, are that latter group.
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I don't know. Myself, I'm probably the farthest thing from a libertarian there is. I'm right of center on most social issues, left of center on foreign policy and gun rights, and left of center on most not all economic issues. Neither Dems nor Repubs appeal that much to me, both have pros and cons.
 
calamity said:
If you managed to put your ideology aside long enough to think, you'd actually hear what Coumo said instead of what you think he said.
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Translation: 'What Cuomo said was embarrassing and revealed too much behind the mask for the majority of American's to accept without recoiling from, so we progressives are going to tell everyone else that they didn't hear what they heard from him, but rather what we spin it into..'

Basically he said what most Americans believe.
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What? You can barely speak for yourself without managing to come out looking like a dishonest player....Please don't presume to speak for the whole of "Most Americans"....:roll:

You all who want to deny others their freedom at the end of your assault rifles aren't welcome here.
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Don't know why the rifle, or gun scares you so much. :shrug: But, I'll tell you what scares me, and that people like you that would curtail the rights of others, who would tell others what to believe, who use the most dishonest of arguments to twist, spin, and lie in order to get their way...But, I am not scared of them in the, 'I'd run, if face to face' sense, but rather scared of what they are doing to this country, and world...I would have thought that after the failures of the Soviet Union, and the socialized eastern block of Europe, and after the ugly face of the uber leftism of Socialist Fascism of the 1930's, that we'd become more enlightened and not travel that road again....Unfortunately...that sadly doesn't seem like we've learned much...We are marching toward it again, Thanks but no thanks.
 
j-mac said:
Translation: 'What Cuomo said was embarrassing and revealed too much behind the mask for the majority of American's to accept without recoiling from, so we progressives are going to tell everyone else that they didn't hear what they heard from him, but rather what we spin it into..'



What? You can barely speak for yourself without managing to come out looking like a dishonest player....Please don't presume to speak for the whole of "Most Americans"....:roll:



Don't know why the rifle, or gun scares you so much. :shrug: But, I'll tell you what scares me, and that people like you that would curtail the rights of others, who would tell others what to believe, who use the most dishonest of arguments to twist, spin, and lie in order to get their way...But, I am not scared of them in the, 'I'd run, if face to face' sense, but rather scared of what they are doing to this country, and world...I would have thought that after the failures of the Soviet Union, and the socialized eastern block of Europe, and after the ugly face of the uber leftism of Socialist Fascism of the 1930's, that we'd become more enlightened and not travel that road again....Unfortunately...that sadly doesn't seem like we've learned much...We are marching toward it again, Thanks but no thanks.
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I've posted links showing that less than 15% of the population are opposed to gay and abortion rights while being pro assault weapons. So. Yes---they are extreme right wingers, just as Coumo said.
 
JoeTrumps said:
again, I have to question how a "centrist" could make such comments. The hyperbole you are exhibiting could only come from a dyed in the wool lefty of the highest order. So if you aren't honest with yourself how can I possibly believe you?

PS thanks for not accusing republicans of wanting to go back to slave days and stopping at the 1950's, thought I'm sure if I give you more time....
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I always wonder how conservatives can be so against personal freedom that they want to legislate the womb and bedroom.
 
calamity said:
I've posted links showing that less than 15% of the population are opposed to gay and abortion rights while being pro assault weapons. So. Yes---they are extreme right wingers, just as Coumo said.
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The label of "Extremeists" is an over used meme by the far left in order to do little more than demonize those that don't believe as they do.
 
calamity said:
I always wonder how conservatives can be so against personal freedom that they want to legislate the womb and bedroom.
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Again, revealing exactly what liberals have done eh calamity? The latest in poor taste commercials by the (un funny) Sara Silverman here:



speaks of a person not being a person til age 40....How old are you again?
 
Paschendale said:
New York does not permit the abrogation of fundamental liberties in order to satisfy some people's religious leanings. Feel free to never obtain an abortion yourself and not to work as an abortion provider. But that is all that liberty entitles you to. You don't get to restrict other people's actions to conform to your religion.
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Right wingers only care about the rights of Christians and to own guns and legislate morality.
 
j-mac said:
The label of "Extremeists" is an over used meme by the far left in order to do little more than demonize those that don't believe as they do.
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People who want laws against sodomy, ban abortion, force prayer into schools, deny the poor housing, food and healthcare while stocking up on guns for when shtf are extremists. Very little doubt of that remains.
 
calamity said:
People who want laws against sodomy, ban abortion, force prayer into schools, deny the poor housing, food and healthcare while stocking up on guns for when shtf are extremists. Very little doubt of that remains.
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Maybe in your convoluted mind...But let's break down what you tick off here....

1. "People who want laws against sodomy" - Wtf are you talking about here? I have not seen any big national push for something like this....

2. "ban abortion" - Are then the clergy of NY not welcome in NY? Should Cuomo get in touch with Cardinal Dolan's office and tell him to pack his bags?

3. "force prayer into schools" - Who's doing that? As far as I know, the only groups "forcing" anything are the shrill leftists who scream if anyone even mentions religion inside the doors of a school....

4. "deny the poor housing" - No one wants to deny the truly poor anything...We are a generous nation, and look out for our less fortunate to the tune of nearly half the country being on welfare in one form or another...

5. "food" - See above...No one is talking about denying anyone in need. Battling fraud is not denial of true need.

6. "and healthcare" - The needy are now, and have been eligible for free healthcare under Medicaid...

7. "stocking up on guns for when shtf are extremists." - So at least you admit that we are headed for a confrontation at some point...Owning guns are my constitutionally protected right. It wasn't made up in a SCOTUS case, or under some feel good language under a "Human rights" narrative, it is codified in the supreme law of the country whether you like it or not. And your push to say that people that believe in exercising that right are 'extremists' makes you the real extremist.

Your argument is full of strawman arguments and based solely on emotion, which is fallacious at its core...Come on back when you have a solid argument. This is crap.
 
j-mac said:
Maybe in your convoluted mind...But let's break down what you tick off here....

1. "People who want laws against sodomy" - Wtf are you talking about here? I have not seen any big national push for something like this....

2. "ban abortion" - Are then the clergy of NY not welcome in NY? Should Cuomo get in touch with Cardinal Dolan's office and tell him to pack his bags?

3. "force prayer into schools" - Who's doing that? As far as I know, the only groups "forcing" anything are the shrill leftists who scream if anyone even mentions religion inside the doors of a school....

4. "deny the poor housing" - No one wants to deny the truly poor anything...We are a generous nation, and look out for our less fortunate to the tune of nearly half the country being on welfare in one form or another...

5. "food" - See above...No one is talking about denying anyone in need. Battling fraud is not denial of true need.

6. "and healthcare" - The needy are now, and have been eligible for free healthcare under Medicaid...

7. "stocking up on guns for when shtf are extremists." - So at least you admit that we are headed for a confrontation at some point...Owning guns are my constitutionally protected right. It wasn't made up in a SCOTUS case, or under some feel good language under a "Human rights" narrative, it is codified in the supreme law of the country whether you like it or not. And your push to say that people that believe in exercising that right are 'extremists' makes you the real extremist.

Your argument is full of strawman arguments and based solely on emotion, which is fallacious at its core...Come on back when you have a solid argument. This is crap.
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I don't believe we are headed for confrontation with anyone but perhaps the crazy right wing American Taliban.
 
calamity said:
I don't believe we are headed for confrontation with anyone but perhaps the crazy right wing American Taliban.
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You addressed nothing, you are not here for conversation of any type. Have a nice day.
 
calamity said:
I don't believe we are headed for confrontation with anyone but perhaps the crazy right wing American Taliban.
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Who, again, is an extremist?
 
j-mac said:
You addressed nothing, you are not here for conversation of any type. Have a nice day.
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Sure i am. You're just afraid to accept that Right Wing extremist views are unpopular with over 80% of Americans.
 
nota bene said:
Who, again, is an extremist?
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Those who are against abortion, pro-assault weapon but against background checks and anti-gay. They are less than 15% of the population. That makes them extremists by definition.
 
calamity said:
Sure i am. You're just afraid to accept that Right Wing extremist views are unpopular with over 80% of Americans.
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No, I am not interested in your divisive labels for those who you disagree with. That is not conversation, but I'll give you one more chance. I addressed each name, and false label you tried to attach, and instead of addressing that you chose to make an absurd comment that had nothing to do with what I said....Now, try again, or be exposed as someone just looking to say outrageous things, and not discuss a thing.
 
j-mac said:
No, I am not interested in your divisive labels for those who you disagree with. That is not conversation, but I'll give you one more chance. I addressed each name, and false label you tried to attach, and instead of addressing that you chose to make an absurd comment that had nothing to do with what I said....Now, try again, or be exposed as someone just looking to say outrageous things, and not discuss a thing.
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Item 7 was such an extreme remark that it deserved what I wrote as a response. As for 1-6...
j-mac said:
Maybe in your convoluted mind...But let's break down what you tick off here....

1. "People who want laws against sodomy" - Wtf are you talking about here? I have not seen any big national push for something like this....

2. "ban abortion" - Are then the clergy of NY not welcome in NY? Should Cuomo get in touch with Cardinal Dolan's office and tell him to pack his bags?

3. "force prayer into schools" - Who's doing that? As far as I know, the only groups "forcing" anything are the shrill leftists who scream if anyone even mentions religion inside the doors of a school....

4. "deny the poor housing" - No one wants to deny the truly poor anything...We are a generous nation, and look out for our less fortunate to the tune of nearly half the country being on welfare in one form or another...

5. "food" - See above...No one is talking about denying anyone in need. Battling fraud is not denial of true need.

6. "and healthcare" - The needy are now, and have been eligible for free healthcare under Medicaid...

7. "stocking up on guns for when shtf are extremists." - So at least you admit that we are headed for a confrontation at some point...Owning guns are my constitutionally protected right. It wasn't made up in a SCOTUS case, or under some feel good language under a "Human rights" narrative, it is codified in the supreme law of the country whether you like it or not. And your push to say that people that believe in exercising that right are 'extremists' makes you the real extremist.

Your argument is full of strawman arguments and based solely on emotion, which is fallacious at its core...Come on back when you have a solid argument. This is crap.
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1. Anti-gay = wanting homosexuals imprisoned. This is the most extreme of all Right Wing views, and three Right Wing SCOTUS justices voted that way in Lawrence. However, as extreme the views are of Scalia, Rehnquist and Thomas, they are revered by much of the Right.

2. Do the clergy want assault weapons? Coumo's comments grouped extremists into a category which were against abortion, anti-gay and pro-assault weapon. Two out of three here really ain't bad.

3. Just your response here indicates that you're wanting religion mentioned in schools. Most atheists think that's inappropriate. I know. We're a minority that folks like GHW Bush believe do not deserve to be citizens. But, nonetheless, it seems courts tend to agree: school and prayer do not mix.

4-6. The Right is and has been doing everything in their power to cut funding for poor, from cutting foodstamps to trying to crush Obamacare. So, I do not believe your argument on those three points speaks truth.
 
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