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U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

Phys251 said:
Ah, yes, the teacher-union bashing. When will people learn that honey attracts more flies than vinegar?
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Calling out an obvious problem is not bashing in my book. Tenure was and continues to be a problem.

Phys251 said:
And again, if the changes do not start with copious amounts of input from the teachers, then THAT would be the real waste of time and money. As has been done so many times in the past.
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Of course teachers need to be part of the solution and their input is required. However the teachers don't control the politics, nor do they have the power to change the public school system. That must be done at the legislative level and the unions are a huge road block to making changes. Nothing discussed yet is addressing those issues so I remain cynical about any useful data coming from this study making any difference at all.
 
SMTA said:
Given the fact that teachers have put their own financial security ahead of improving the education of children, then absolutely yes.

Their selfishness is why our education system is so broken.
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This is a prejudiced and ignorant comment. You just insulted hundreds of thousands of teachers without having the slightest clue what they really do and why.

SMTA said:
And spewing your incorrect and ridiculous assertions over and over will not make them true.

You are really embarrassing yourself here.
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One should not throw stones in a glass house. I'm still waiting on your answer of how much K-12 teaching experience you have.
 
Ockham said:
Calling out an obvious problem is not bashing in my book. Tenure was and continues to be a problem.

Of course teachers need to be part of the solution and their input is required. However the teachers don't control the politics, nor do they have the power to change the public school system. That must be done at the legislative level and the unions are a huge road block to making changes. Nothing discussed yet is addressing those issues so I remain cynical about any useful data coming from this study making any difference at all.
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Where did you get all this information from? How can you be so sure of what teachers really want? Have you set down and listened to any of them? Or are you simply imposing your reality on them?
 
Phys251 said:
Where did you get all this information from? How can you be so sure of what teachers really want? Have you set down and listened to any of them? Or are you simply imposing your reality on them?
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Teachers don't control the politics - I don't need a teacher to tell me that. They don't have the power to change the public school system as that is up to the legislature - state and federal. I don't need a teacher to tell me that either. I don't presume to know what teachers want - which is why I didn't say or assume in the quote you cited from me what they want. My reality is based in fact. If you have different facts saying teachers DO control politics - post it. If you have facts that say teachers have the ability to collectively pass legislation at the state or federal level - post it.
 
Ockham said:
Teachers don't control the politics - I don't need a teacher to tell me that. They don't have the power to change the public school system as that is up to the legislature - state and federal. I don't need a teacher to tell me that either.
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Wow, dat attitude.

I don't presume to know what teachers want - which is why I didn't say or assume in the quote you cited from me what they want. My reality is based in fact. If you have different facts saying teachers DO control politics - post it. If you have facts that say teachers have the ability to collectively pass legislation at the state or federal level - post it.
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Then what are you so up in arms about?
 
Phys251 said:
Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth. Start a new thread if you want to discuss your question.
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Either you actually believe in the standard that you have attempted to impose on others, or you don't, and are merely using it as a handy club (which is a very public union thing to do) to attempt to discredit dissent. Which one is germane to the topic, and your refusal to answer is telling.
 
cpwill said:
Either you actually believe in the standard that you have attempted to impose on others, or you don't, and are merely using it as a handy club (which is a very public union thing to do) to attempt to discredit dissent. Which one is germane to the topic, and your refusal to answer is telling.
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For the third time, start a thread with your question if it's that important to you. I refuse to take your bait.
 
Phys251 said:
This is a prejudiced and ignorant comment. You just insulted hundreds of thousands of teachers without having the slightest clue what they really do and why.



One should not throw stones in a glass house. I'm still waiting on your answer of how much K-12 teaching experience you have.
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I need to justify nothing to you.

You have no idea how blind you truly are.

It is quite pathetic and very laughable.
 
Maybe the Americans just thought the Canadians were stupid so they decided to throw some money at their schools so they wouldn't have to live next to stupid people?
 
And the research couldn't be done in the US why?
 
SMTA said:
I need to justify nothing to you.

You have no idea how blind you truly are.

It is quite pathetic and very laughable.
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Man. I guess that about wraps things up, eh, folks?
 
Ockham said:
You haven't seen me with attitude and that was just a simple response.


Who's up in arms? Where did you get that information? :lamo
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Ockham, all you need to do is acknowledge that any information you have received about teaching has come through other sources and not via direct experience. That doesn't make you any lesser of a person--that makes you more of an honest person. But it does imply that whatever sources have given you your views have been tainted by their own ideologies.

You, and the other people who are unaware of their teacher-bashing views, would do well to follow one of the oldest people skills in existence: Start seeing things from the other person's point-of-view, however wrong you feel that view may be.
 
Phys251 said:
Ockham, all you need to do is acknowledge that any information you have received about teaching has come through other sources and not via direct experience. That doesn't make you any lesser of a person--that makes you more of an honest person. But it does imply that whatever sources have given you your views have been tainted by their own ideologies.
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I did that in Post #21. Everyone's own views are tainted by their own ideologies - always. That doesn't however change the facts.

Phys251 said:
You, and the other people who are unaware of their teacher-bashing views, would do well to follow one of the oldest people skills in existence: Start seeing things from the other person's point-of-view, however wrong you feel that view may be.
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That would be interesting if I were teacher bashing, however, that's not the case. But please, make more accusations and avoid discussing the topic. Make it all about me and my views and not about facts. :shrug:
 
Ockham said:
I did that in Post #21. Everyone's own views are tainted by their own ideologies - always. That doesn't however change the facts.

That would be interesting if I were teacher bashing, however, that's not the case. But please, make more accusations and avoid discussing the topic. Make it all about me and my views and not about facts. :shrug:
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You can't just come into this debate and not expect to have your expertise on the matter tested. There are too many armchair quarterbacks in the education debate whose views suggest a serious lack of knowledge of the subject, judgment, or both. Your flailing like this does not bode well for passing that test. Sorry if that makes you feel badly.
 
Phys251 said:
You can't just come into this debate and not expect to have your expertise on the matter tested.
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I never claimed expertise.

Phys251 said:
There are too many armchair quarterbacks in the education debate whose views suggest a serious lack of knowledge of the subject, judgment, or both. Your flailing like this does not bode well for passing that test. Sorry if that makes you feel badly.
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Why would I let you make me feel badly? Do you have any thing NOT related to me to add to the topic? I'm flattered at all the attention and I feel I need to tell you I'm straight, married, have a house, 3 vehicles and am not looking for more involvement. I'm sorry you cannot debate the topic.
 
Ockham said:
I never claimed expertise.

Why would I let you make me feel badly? Do you have any thing NOT related to me to add to the topic? I'm flattered at all the attention and I feel I need to tell you I'm straight, married, have a house, 3 vehicles and am not looking for more involvement. I'm sorry you cannot debate the topic.
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He has not recognized that the sword cuts both ways.

BTW, who christened him the expert here?

Self-proclaimed expertise on the internet is the reason all those 14 year olds hold both PhD and medical degrees.

He doth BS too much.
 
SMTA said:
He has not recognized that the sword cuts both ways.

BTW, who christened him the expert here?

Self-proclaimed expertise on the internet is the reason all those 14 year olds hold both PhD and medical degrees.

He doth BS too much.
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You could always address these concerns in the second person instead of relaying through someone else.
 
Ockham said:
I never claimed expertise.

Why would I let you make me feel badly? Do you have any thing NOT related to me to add to the topic? I'm flattered at all the attention and I feel I need to tell you I'm straight, married, have a house, 3 vehicles and am not looking for more involvement. I'm sorry you cannot debate the topic.
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Man, you're taking this stuff way too personally. I'm not trying to single you out here. But there is way, way too much anti-teacher rhetoric from those who've never spent a day in their lives having to manage a classroom and all that goes on in it and around it. If people would be quick to listen to teachers and slow to judge them, in all likelihood I would be willing to return the favor.
 
Phys251 said:
Man, you're taking this stuff way too personally. I'm not trying to single you out here.
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Your words directly contradict your actions. You have done nothing but make it personal for the last 3 posts. :shrug:

Phys251 said:
But there is way, way too much anti-teacher rhetoric from those who've never spent a day in their lives having to manage a classroom and all that goes on in it and around it. If people would be quick to listen to teachers and slow to judge them, in all likelihood I would be willing to return the favor.
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People have their own opinions and nothing I've said is anti-teacher. It seems whatever baggage you are bringing into this discussion about a proposed Canadian study is preventing you from discussing the actual topic. That's not my problem. I've stated emphatically teachers are hamstrung given the curriculum they are required to use, that they are teaching kids how to take tests instead of teaching. I HAVE been critical of teachers unions as they are a road block to getting and keeping good teachers and removing bad ones, and I'm critical of the administrative money that drives all of the political behavior which leaves kids and their education far down the list of priorities. If you read my posts and didn't inject your own baggage into a failed discussion you apparently want to make about ME instead of the topic, this would have gone a lot better. Have a nice day.:2wave:
 
Ockham said:
Your words directly contradict your actions. You have done nothing but make it personal for the last 3 posts. :shrug:



People have their own opinions and nothing I've said is anti-teacher. It seems whatever baggage you are bringing into this discussion about a proposed Canadian study is preventing you from discussing the actual topic. That's not my problem. I've stated emphatically teachers are hamstrung given the curriculum they are required to use, that they are teaching kids how to take tests instead of teaching. I HAVE been critical of teachers unions as they are a road block to getting and keeping good teachers and removing bad ones, and I'm critical of the administrative money that drives all of the political behavior which leaves kids and their education far down the list of priorities. If you read my posts and didn't inject your own baggage into a failed discussion you apparently want to make about ME instead of the topic, this would have gone a lot better. Have a nice day.:2wave:
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If that is a surrender, I accept it wholeheartedly. Farewell.
 
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