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Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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Baloney. College aged kids WILL HAVE AN ID, period. My God what world do you live in anyway?
Old people... ROTFLMAO.. They are the MOST likely to have one and if they don't, well, how many years should we give them the opportunity to acquire one?
Low income people? How low income, do you mean homeless? Maybe, but even welfare queens have ID you silly person.
Historically oppressed minorities, oh you mean undocumented workers, of which I prefer to call illegal aliens.

Got anything else that even approaches factual data?

Tim-
 
Tim- illegal aliens cannot vote. Got anything factual?
Hicup said:
Baloney. College aged kids WILL HAVE AN ID, period. My God what world do you live in anyway?
Old people... ROTFLMAO.. They are the MOST likely to have one and if they don't, well, how many years should we give them the opportunity to acquire one?
Low income people? How low income, do you mean homeless? Maybe, but even welfare queens have ID you silly person.
Historically oppressed minorities, oh you mean undocumented workers, of which I prefer to call illegal aliens.

Got anything else that even approaches factual data?

Tim-
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Hard Truth said:
In many cases they haven't needed one. For example college students who don't drive might use their student ID card for most purposes.
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College students don't use banks, cars, have a job, or buy any age restricted products?
 
Hicup said:
To me, and despite all the liberal musings, it is insane that a person shouldn't have to prove they are who they say they are to vote? I can't think of ANY legitimate reason not to do so.


Tim-
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that is because you and I care about the prevention of cheating in elections, liberals encourage it.
 
One of my students today had a college ID and gun permit as her 2 pieces of ID. Just found it odd.
scatt said:
College students don't use banks, cars, have a job, or buy any age restricted products?
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No liberals dont. There is no evidence of any significant voter fraud, yet it is constantly a theme from the right...wonder why?
Rocketman said:
that is because you and I care about the prevention of cheating in elections, liberals encourage it.
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mak2 said:
No liberals dont. There is no evidence of any significant voter fraud, yet it is constantly a theme from the right...wonder why?
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Any is significant, imagine how much would be discovered when the fraudulant voters were weeded out.
 
mak2 said:
uh, lets see, None?
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Odd how many liberals object to Voter IDs but say nothing about driver's licenses, library cards, student IDs, gun permits, photo ID requiremments to enter about any large business building these days.

Are liberals selective whiners?
 
mak2 said:
Tim- illegal aliens cannot vote. Got anything factual?
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Well I was trying to think of how you used the syntax in your language there? If you meant historically oppressed then it would follow that they, whomever you're referring to, are no longer oppressed, so the need to make that statement seemed rhetorical, since if no longer oppressed, then the usage in your argument would be obsolete. ;)

Tim-
 
Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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Alright, I'm going to ask this once more.

How do any of the people you mentioned get by in life without having some form of ID?
Answer is, they can't
 
There is no reason to strike down the law, requiring I.D. is perfectly reasonable.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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Absolute rubbish. College students have ID (can't get a student loan or student housing or classes without it) and the only young people who don't are those who aren't yet old enough to vote. Elderly people have ID, we use it for everything. Low income people have ID, they cannot get benefits without it. And the catchall, "historically oppressed minorities", that's code for black folks and is covered by all the other categories.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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Usually young people easily college students have sort of student I.D. card, elderly had to have some sort of photo I.D. at some point in their lives especially if they are immigrants, low income people are able to get some form of I.D. from the government, and there is no reason historically oppressed minorities cannot get some sort I.D. from the gbvoenment. You can get a driver's license, passport, here you can even use a public transport pass card probably.
 
WCH said:
Is it required in Canada?
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Yes we require government issued photo I.D., or some other identity card and proof residence, or even if you don't have those you can get someone (who has photo I.D.) to swear on your behalf. More info can be found here.
 
Everyone has or has the ability to get some sort of ID, ID is a perfectly reasonable requirement to vote. In order for democracy to work there cannot be fraud and ID can prevent that.
 
scatt said:
Why do these groups choose to not get ID?
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I think a much better question is "why shouldn't they have the right to make that choice without a penalty as drastic as losing their right to vote?"

Carjosse said:
Everyone has or has the ability to get some sort of ID, ID is a perfectly reasonable requirement to vote. In order for democracy to work there cannot be fraud and ID can prevent that.
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If that were actually true, why would there be a controversy over this?
 
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Paschendale said:
I think a much better question is "why shouldn't they have the right to make that choice without a penalty as drastic as losing their right to vote?"
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The same reason ID is required for several other "rights."
 
Paschendale said:
The voter ID movement in the last few years has been a pretty transparent action to disenfranchise groups that tend to vote Democrat. It's even worse than racism. At least racists actually mean the awful things they say. This is just shallow partisan crap. It is literally just shredding people's rights in order to grab power. It is the basest and most disgusting thing a politician can do in our system.
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Yeah. Those who vote for Democrats are so stupid, that they can not even make yourself ID:lamo
 
Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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1. Giving people 6-7 months to get an ID is not "immediately"
2. You're racistly assuming that minorities can't get an ID quickly if they had the motivation.
 
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