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Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

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HARRISBURG -- A Pennsylvania judge has found the state's voter ID law unconstitutional.
According to the ruling from Commonwealth Court Judge Bernard McGinley, the requirement to present an acceptable form of identification when voting in person "unreasonably burdens the right to vote."
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Of course it does. Voter laws are supposed to ensure that everybody gets to vote, not to Jim Crow the vote for some. And about this lame argument that Jim Crowing the vote stops voter fraud, show me proof that there was enough voter fraud in ANY election to change the outcome of that election. And when I say proof, I don't mean show some talking head on FOX News claiming voter fraud. Show me the hard numbers FROM A REPUTABLE SOURCE, not Breitbart, which has been caught time and time again making crap up. Good luck with that.

Finally, I must say that, if a political party is so desperate to remain relevant that they have to resort to Jim Crow to attempt to win elections, then there is a problem with that party. At least, at this time, the mainstream Republicans are fighting the good fight to wrest control of the party back from the wackos that hijacked it, and that's a good sign. The Republican party does not need Tea Partiers or any other kind of "Confederate" in the party. With reasonable ideas, the GOP will stick around a long time, and make important contributions to America's political process.

Article is here.
 
The voter ID movement in the last few years has been a pretty transparent action to disenfranchise groups that tend to vote Democrat. It's even worse than racism. At least racists actually mean the awful things they say. This is just shallow partisan crap. It is literally just shredding people's rights in order to grab power. It is the basest and most disgusting thing a politician can do in our system.
 
To me, and despite all the liberal musings, it is insane that a person shouldn't have to prove they are who they say they are to vote? I can't think of ANY legitimate reason not to do so.


Tim-
 
the funny thing that i noticed is that this voter ID movement started during Obama's term as president and in the aftermath of wining in 2012 and 2008. it almost looks like that republicans feel they were somehow cheated of their victory.
 
Paschendale said:
The voter ID movement in the last few years has been a pretty transparent action to disenfranchise groups that tend to vote Democrat. It's even worse than racism. At least racists actually mean the awful things they say. This is just shallow partisan crap. It is literally just shredding people's rights in order to grab power. It is the basest and most disgusting thing a politician can do in our system.
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You mean groups that are basically the 'takers' of society that vote Democrat. Haven't we seen the result of letting those groups elect our leaders?

Is not racism, it's economics.
 
Hicup said:
To me, and despite all the liberal musings, it is insane that a person shouldn't have to prove they are who they say they are to vote? I can't think of ANY legitimate reason not to do so.


Tim-
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[sorry misread your post] I agree.
 
WCH said:
Aren't you concerned that people would vote more than once or not be eligible to vote?
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You know, we're not stupid, we can see for ourselves that isn't actually a problem in the United States. It's utterly transparent rationale that you yourself exposed with your comment:
You mean groups that are basically the 'takers' of society that vote Democrat. Haven't we seen the result of letting those groups elect our leaders?

Is not racism, it's economics.
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You consider them undesirables for your own reasons, which we knew already.
 
I have no problem with voter ID, but the default postition should be allowing the vote. If it is later found out they intentinoally voted fraudulently, throw them in jail for the max. If there is much fraud, which I serioulsy doubt, one person going to the big house for years would stop it. I think the push for voter ID is not to correct a problem, but the Republicans realizing it would take out more Demo voters than republicans.
 
WCH said:
You mean groups that are basically the 'takers' of society that vote Democrat. Haven't we seen the result of letting those groups elect our leaders?

Is not racism, it's economics.
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economics is not a valid reason to supress the peoples right to vote.
 
Cardinal said:
You know, we're not stupid, we can see for ourselves that isn't actually a problem in the United States. It's utterly transparent rationale that you yourself exposed with your comment:

You consider them undesirables for your own reasons, which we knew already.
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I actually changed my reply to that post but, to answer your question. or better yet to ask, "How do we know what is accurate and what is fraudulent?

We've seen the lies and inaccuracies in every section of government and private life. How do we know for sure?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
economics is not a valid reason to supress the peoples right to vote.
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When it's destroying this country, it damn sure is. The only stake in this country those voters have is getting freebies from the FedGov.
 
Why spend so much money time and effort correcting a problem you dont even know exists? I have a pretty good idea why.
WCH said:
I actually changed my reply to that post but, to answer your question. or better yet to ask, "How do we know what is accurate and what is fraudulent?

We've seen the lies and inaccuracies in every section of government and private life. How do we know for sure?
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mak2 said:
Why spend so much money time and effort correcting a problem you dont even know exists? I have a pretty good idea why.
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Maybe it's a trust issue with me but, why not cover any loopholes in the system just to be sure?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
economics is not a valid reason to supress the peoples right to vote.
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No one is saying they can't vote or that they do not have a right, only that they must prove that they have that right.

It's not rocket science, and YOU HAVE NO GOOD REASON not to agree.


Tim-
 
WCH said:
I actually changed my reply to that post but, to answer your question. or better yet to ask, "How do we know what is accurate and what is fraudulent?

We've seen the lies and inaccuracies in every section of government and private life. How do we know for sure?
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what most people seem to agree on is that voter fraud is not a widespread problem. the odds of people committing in person voter fraud is so low, you are more likely to be struck by lightning.
 
Actually that is pretty much a republican meme. Most people realize the GOP does not have their best interest at heart unless they are a major corporation, and they vote accordingly. It is not because they want freebies, it just might be because hte GOP is wrong about most of their tenents. The only way the GOP can justify most people voting against them is not to discuss the topics, but the call the other voters names, like freeloasers. Keeps the base from thinking much.
WCH said:
When it's destroying this country, it damn sure is. The only stake in this country those voters have is getting freebies from the FedGov.
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If it keeps one single American from voting that should be able to, It is a problem.
WCH said:
Maybe it's a trust issue with me but, why not cover any loopholes in the system just to be sure?
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WCH said:
I actually changed my reply to that post but, to answer your question. or better yet to ask, "How do we know what is accurate and what is fraudulent?

We've seen the lies and inaccuracies in every section of government and private life. How do we know for sure?
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Your uncertainty isn't a valid reason for disenfranchising an entire bloc of voters, which in itself is beside the point because your own motives for wanting this were already made explicitly clear when you said

You mean groups that are basically the 'takers' of society that vote Democrat. Haven't we seen the result of letting those groups elect our leaders?

Is not racism, it's economics.
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The moment you said that, your "it's to stop voter fraud!" argument was exposed and lost all credibility. But at least you were honest when you typed that and for that I give you credit.
 
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WCH said:
When it's destroying this country, it damn sure is. The only stake in this country those voters have is getting freebies from the FedGov.
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and when politicians say things like that, they end up angering the people he insulted and increasing the odds that they will vote for his opponent.
 
mak2 said:
Actually that is pretty much a republican meme. Most people realize the GOP does not have their best interest at heart unless they are a major corporation, and they vote accordingly. It is not because they want freebies, it just might be because hte GOP is wrong about most of their tenents. The only way the GOP can justify most people voting against them is not to discuss the topics, but the call the other voters names, like freeloasers. Keeps the base from thinking much.
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No one has to call people 'freeloaders', there are stats to prove they exist.

I don't think it's right to be able to vote yourself freebies which is probably the only reason you vote at all.

BTW: it seems there was a big stink back in the 2000 election where the tables were turned.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
and when politicians say things like that, they end up angering the people he insulted and increasing the odds that they will vote for his opponent.
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Duh!
Of course it pisses them off.

Now there's so many takers, they have control of the elections.

Is that the sort of country we want?
 
WCH said:
No one has to call people 'freeloaders', there are stats to prove they exist.

I don't think it's right to be able to vote yourself freebies which is probably the only reason you vote at all.

BTW: it seems there was a big stink back in the 2000 election where the tables were turned.
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that was because the supreme court decided who was president before the final votes in Florida were counted.
 
WCH said:
Duh!
Of course it pisses them off.

Now there's so many takers, they have control of the elections.

Is that the sort of country we want?
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you cannot deny them their right to vote because of their economic situation, and i don't believe becoming a country that denies people of their rights because of their economic status is the solution.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
you cannot deny them their right to vote because of their economic situation, and i don't believe becoming a country that denies people of their rights because of their economic status is the solution.
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No worries...there won't be a country for very much longer at this rate.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
that was because the supreme court decided who was president before the final votes in Florida were counted.
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And Sandra Day regrets that decision of hers to this very day .
 
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