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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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reinoe said:
We're 240 posts in and nobody has claimed WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE THAT'S BEEN RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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Nobody here is claiming it's been ruled unconstitutional, that is not the point. It doesn't have to be ruled unconstitutional to be offensive, dangerous, and a loss of liberty. The SC found a way to allow Obamacare to stay, but no one can legitimately argue that you lost the right to decide not to buy healthcare.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Bush is no where near as insane and radical as Obama - Obama is a Stalin cloaked in a US flag.

I was no fan of Bush myself - especially after the Patriot Act, however I would rather have Bush as president presently than Obama. If I had to choose between the two.




Hell, if that bitch, her husband, Eric Holder, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NBPP and the other radical non-white groups plus the self loathing progressives could actually do it - THEY WOULD DO IT....




Obama has done NO NEGOTIATING - Obama has pretty much said: "this is what I want - give it to me or else I will blame you" - so there is no diplomacy there - EVER!



Obama doesn't have to sign many executive orders and I'll tell you why. Because Obama has appointed tyrants to do his dirty work for him - including SCOTUS justices and district judges....

The guy can do whatever the **** he wants outside of amending the constitution - something he doesn't even need to do considering he can sign an executive order...

Obama has set up a progressive socialist monopoly.....

The worst of all of it is that he is completely ignoring the Constitution because he knows Holder wont hold him accountable for anything....

That's why Obama is on TV right now admitting to domestic spying - meanwhile you're bashing Bush....
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He's Stalin because he made appointments during the recess?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obama only wishes he was a dictator, and if he had it his way he would insert himself as president for life and do away with our founding documents. As a matter of fact I would be that 30-40% of progressives would love to see that happen.

Circumventing congress should be the last act of a president to resolve an issue, not the first - and not for reasons of social policy either...

Obama is a POS that abuses his power, and I cant believe any "libertarian" in their so called mind would defend such a tyrant.

Furthermore, it's not Obama himself that is turning this country into a North Korea or Saudi Arabia - it's those who he appointed (circumventing democracy) into key positions, and those appointees who appointed others who are making a lot of these policies.
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Lol not calling Obama a dictator is defending him?

Only in the warped mind of a conservative like you hiding behind a libertarian label would think that not calling Obama a dictator is defending him. I've criticized Obama and have called him a horrible president but a dictator he is not. Try again slick your old and tired rhetoric is getting boring.
 
Anthony60 said:
but no one can legitimately argue that you lost the right to decide not to buy healthcare.
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I can choose not to buy insurance by paying a tax. I still have the right to refuse to give money to insurance companies.
 
TheNextEra said:
Lol not calling Obama a dictator is defending him?

Only in the warped mind of a conservative like you hiding behind a libertarian label would think that not calling Obama a dictator is defending him. I've criticized Obama and have called him a horrible president but a dictator he is not. Try again slick your old and tired rhetoric is getting boring.
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I never even attempted to call him a dictator - he is obviously NOT a dictator by definition, what I implied is that if HE COULD BE he would welcome the opportunity to continue his "progressive change."

BTW, I'm the libertarian - you're not!

You keep on siding with government over and over again - supporting big government ****s like Obama and his epic bull**** games he plays that he believes no one understands because the media doesn't report half the **** he does that makes him look like the tyrannical **** he is...
 
Anthony60 said:
Nobody here is claiming it's been ruled unconstitutional, that is not the point. It doesn't have to be ruled unconstitutional to be offensive, dangerous, and a loss of liberty. The SC found a way to allow Obamacare to stay, but no one can legitimately argue that you lost the right to decide not to buy healthcare.
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Nobody except this guy. He's making you look bad. You should make him change his stance before someone thinks you all think like him.
Anthony60 said:
Of all the threads here, this one is the most important. He just declared that he is going to take power from Congress and make laws himself, a clear violation of separation of powers. In fact, clearly a power that the President does not have. This is what dictators do. A bit of coupe, if I may be so bold. The sad part is that the media, the left, and even most of the right are sitting by silently while this happens before our eyes.

This is not a Democrat v. Republican issue. It's a Constitutional and liberty issue.
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Mr.Nick said:
I never even attempted to call him a dictator - he is obviously NOT a dictator by definition, what I implied is that if HE COULD BE he would welcome the opportunity to continue his "progressive change."
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So now you're playing "what-if" games? Whatever, your opinion is noted and discarded as worthless conservative rhetoric.

Btw your "what-if" game should also include Bush since he said it would be easier if he were a dictator.
 
Mr.Nick said:
He's Stalin because his passive actions emulate Stalin's blunt actions.
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Right. There's practically no difference between lightning and a lightning bug.
 
Mr.Nick said:
He's Stalin because his passive actions emulate Stalin's blunt actions.
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Well, to ease your racing mind, he's signed less executive orders than any other president in the past 100 (actually more) years. Here: Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

And about those nominations:

This extraordinary decision would have nullified decades of NLRB appointments. President Carter made the first recess appointment in 1980, when Republicans filibustered his nomination. Since then, five presidents have made 26 NLRB recess appointments. Only 3 of these appointments -- 1 by Bush I, 2 by Clinton – would be valid under the Noel Canning ruling. Twenty of the other 23 recess appointments were “intrasession appointments,” while the remaining 3 were intersession appointments to positions that became vacant prior to the recess in which the appointment was made. George W. Bush made the most NLRB recess appointments, 7, none of which were constitutional, according to the DC Circuit.

Read more: NLRB isn't dead yet, but GOP trying to kill it | TheHill
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So, I'm not seeing the comparison. Care to explain using facts rather than emotion? TIA
 
Montecresto said:
Now you just reversed what ground we made agreeing that partisan members of both parties have enabled their presidents to violate our constitution and that unless we arrest that, nothing will ever change. Your back to singling out democrats, and as pointed to by me at length, while I'm not defending the president, BOTH are guilty. When is THAT bull going to be taken by the horns??
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What reversal? Both side contribute to the over spending, too large government. The dems just are more overt about it.
 
reinoe said:
Right. There's practically no difference between lightning and a lightning bug.
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The intent is all the same...

I suppose Hitler was a "lightning bug" at one point (if you know anything about Hitler or History) - yet his intent was there all along - he just used progress to achieve his goals, and he was democratically elected to boot.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
How long did the GOP block nominations? That would have suddenly changed after the recess?
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Oh I would say probably no more or less than the Democrats who invented the tactic of staying in session through traditional holidays back when Bush was President. :)
 
Anthony60 said:
What reversal? Both side contribute to the over spending, too large government. The dems just are more overt about it.
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As soon as you frame the problem of executive orders that pass into law outside of congress as worse by one party then the other, the focus on what to do to fix is lost and we have thread after thread that is nothing more than finger pointing. Nothing can be fixed.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I'm not exaggerating anything...

I said Obama was passive and Stalin was blunt....
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Any comparison is an exaggeration. A wild eyed exaggeration.
 
reinoe said:
Thank you. It only took 3 days and 240+ posts. I'm not singling you out. Just pointing out the disparity in rhetoric vs action of Obama and how the people screaming loudest about this couldn't actually think up any examples. Rage before reason.
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Well, to be fair, you are attempting to move the goalpost. The OP and others are saying that the actions that the President is implicitly threatening to take would be Unconstitutional, and your response seems to be that it has not yet been ruled so. That's like saying that it's not wrong of me to plan to rape someone because I haven't been convicted yet.
 
Boo Radley said:
Any comparison is an exaggeration. A wild eyed exaggeration.
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How you figure? intent is all that matters.

Is there any difference between a woman who poisons her husband over a 3 year period to the point of his death or a woman who just shoots her husband with a gun and kills him or stabs him to death??

Or are we just talking exaggeration(s) here or apples and oranges?

The end result is all that matters - not the means or the contempt but the result of those feelings or ideas.
 
Mr.Nick said:
How you figure? intent is all that matters.

Is there any difference between a woman who poisons her husband over a 3 year period to the point of his death or a woman who just shoots her husband with a gun and kills him or stabs him to death??

Or are we just talking exaggeration(s) here or apples and oranges?

The end result is all that matters - not the means or the contempt but the result of those feelings or ideas.
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You have to prove intent and not just make wild guess before you can go on to anything else.

And there is nothing but wild exaggerations of what is going on that that leads you to such a comparison. So, once you start with the inaccurate belief, you then blow it beyond. reason. There is no real comparison. To use your comparison, what we have is at worse, a poor cook being compared to a murderer. That is hardly a valid comparison.
 
Boo Radley said:
You have to prove intent and not just make wild guess before you can go on to anything else.

And there is nothing but wild exaggerations of what is going on that that leads you to such a comparison. So, once you start with the inaccurate belief, you then blow it beyond. reason. There is no real comparison. To use your comparison, what we have is at worse, a poor cook being compared to a murderer. That is hardly a valid comparison.
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Obama spying on people, creating a welfare state, Holder refusing to charge minorities with hate crimes, Holder suing states, Obama appointing judges that share his same politics...

I can go on with the legislative and judicial monopoly Obama has on the people, states, legislative, judicial and executive branches of government. Not to mention smaller agencies such as as the IRS and such.

Obamacare is a perfect example..

I have plenty of evidence that Obama is a totalitarian tyrant, with limited powers until him and his appointed cronies steal our guns (our only way to preserve this constitutional republic).
 
reinoe said:
I can choose not to buy insurance by paying a tax. I still have the right to refuse to give money to insurance companies.
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As you just pointed out, you lost your choice because you have to pay a tax or buy the insurance. No option where you are not forced to pay for it one way or the other.
 
cpwill said:
Oh I would say probably no more or less than the Democrats who invented the tactic of staying in session through traditional holidays back when Bush was President. :)
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Great deflection. They did it so we can too. Only this time the Chamber of Commerce wants to up the ante. In the meantime, people on DP are calling Obama a dictator because he did what others did before him. Go figure.
 
Montecresto said:
As soon as you frame the problem of executive orders that pass into law outside of congress as worse by one party then the other, the focus on what to do to fix is lost and we have thread after thread that is nothing more than finger pointing. Nothing can be fixed.
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I think you are overestimating the power of these threads.;)
 
Anthony60 said:
I think you are overestimating the power of these threads.;)
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I don't intend to suggest that these threads have any power, only that we have little hope of anything changing in life with regards to the issue we're discussing here, when partisan finger pointing rules the day as evidenced here. So much for hope and change.
 
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