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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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Blue_State said:
She was declared legally dead in November 2013.
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And...

She is on life-sustaining medical equipment.
 
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JayDubya said:
I've lost count of how many times that's been pointed out.

At this point, I think the goal of establishing the facts of the case was hopelessly lofty.
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27,457? Oh wait - 27,458.
 
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year2late said:
From the article


I can only imagine their distress.
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Big head=big brain. Will the baby be named M.O.D.O.K. or Mojo Jojo?
 
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Superfly said:
Update:

Fetus of Texas woman on life support 'distinctly abnormal,' family lawyers say - U.S. News

While I am forever erring on the side of saving the baby, this doesn't sound good. If it's true, and the baby does have such severe abnormalities, it won't survive to term, anyway, and this entire argument will be moot.
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It sounds even worse than I'd feared. Nothing good ever comes out of a fetus being deprived of oxygen for even a few minutes, let alone an hour or more. I'm not normally in favor of abortion after the 12th week, except in cases like this. If these reports are true, it's time to end this madness.
 
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Blue_State said:
So please explain:

And...

She is on life-sustaining medical equipment.
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Because she is on life-sustaining equipment.
 
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scatt said:
Because she is on life-sustaining equipment.
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And how is that, in any way, a response to she pronounced legally dead in November?
 
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Blue_State said:
And how is that, in any way, a response to she pronounced legally dead in November?
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It can be both (obviously).
 
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JayDubya said:
We'll see, I guess.

The doctors in the case aren't going to be legally allowed to address the matter publically unless the family signed off on it; seems unlikely, and even if the family did that, the hospital attorney might not want them to. I assume the hospital attorney is going to simply stick to the earlier statement and not get engaged in any way in the public debate, just say the law is what it is and not engage in any moralizing or speculation - this way, either way this plays out in court, they won't be seen as the bad guys.

The family's lawyers can be assumed to, in a public statement, be promoting their client's case and that includes "massaging" the truth like upgrading speculative information to facts or grand exaggerations.
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No one is "upgrading" the facts. They come from the medical records on the fetus.
 
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Arcana XV said:
It sounds even worse than I'd feared. Nothing good ever comes out of a fetus being deprived of oxygen for even a few minutes, let alone an hour or more. I'm not normally in favor of abortion after the 12th week, except in cases like this. If these reports are true, it's time to end this madness.
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Well, I sure am glad the baby will be born! Because of course quality of life should never be a consideration when making decisions like this! Life is all that matters!

... and 30 seconds after the birth falls off the front page, everybody will have forgotten about it, except for the man whose job it will be to figure out how to make this kid's life worthshile.

YAY!
 
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Blue_State said:
So you are saying she is alive and dead? Like a zombie?
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Why do you think I said she is alive?
 
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Blue_State said:
Then please clarify yourself. What does it can be both mean?
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You do not have to be alive, especially legally, to be on life-sustaining equipment. As you can clearly see, she is legally dead and on life-sustaining equipment. There is no debate to be had on that, it is fact.
 
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scatt said:
You do not have to be alive, especially legally, to be on life-sustaining equipment. As you can clearly see, she is legally dead and on life-sustaining equipment. There is no debate to be had on that, it is fact.
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So in post #772...you are arguing that the life-sustaining equipment trumps the fact she is dead and that the law should apply?
 
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Blue_State said:
So in post #772...you are arguing that the life-sustaining equipment trumps the fact she is dead and that the law should apply?
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According to the law, in Texas, a pregnant woman on life-sustaining equipment cannot be taken off that equipment. I certainly would agree that the writers of this law may have meant comatose, for example, pregnant women. I have no idea though.
 
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scatt said:
According to the law, in Texas, a pregnant woman on life-sustaining equipment cannot be taken off that equipment. I certainly would agree that the writers of this law may have meant comatose, for example, pregnant women. I have no idea though.
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Are your referring to the Texas Advance Directives Act?
 
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Blue_State said:
Are your referring to the Texas Advance Directives Act?
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Sec. 166.049.
 
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According to Forth Worth's Star-Telegram:

Attorneys for the family of a pregnant Haltom City woman who has been on life support at John Peter Smith Hospital for eight weeks issued a statement late Wednesday that the fetus is “distinctly abnormal.”

The 22-week-old fetus’s lower extremities are deformed and it is impossible to determine its gender, the attorneys for the woman’s husband, Erick Muñoz, said in an emailed statement.

“The fetus suffers from hydrocephalus [water on the brain]. It also appears that there are further abnormalities, including a possible heart problem, that cannot be specifically determined due to the immobile nature of Mrs. Muñoz’s deceased body,” the statement said.

Fetus in Muñoz case is “distinctly abnormal,” attorneys say | Fort Wort...
 
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scatt said:
She is on life-sustaining medical equipment.
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She is not alive.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Lots of people in this world have challenges in their lives, some severely physical and some severely mental. I don't consider them any less valuable to society or humanity than those with few or no obvious challenges. I don't make such value judgements between life and money. As many on the abortion threads will tell you, there's no such thing as a guaranteed, easy, safe, or uncomplicated pregnancy from the start - there are always risks. This woman and her husband chose to add to their family with another child - the woman carried the child for 14 weeks and I've seen no information or claims that she didn't want the child or intended to abort the child. As such, there was always a risk that their child might be born with challenges and I would hope that any person who starts on the road to creating life would also be prepared to support and respect that life, regardless of challenges it may face.

Perhaps you believe that parents should only be personally responsible for "perfect" children, the rest being disposable or the responsibility of the state. I don't.
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People can chose to abort perfectly healthy pregnancies at 14 weeks and beyond.

No reason a dead woman should have to carry and undead baby - healthy or otherwise. No need play the "they just don't like the disabled" card. A family is stating their wishes. When you die...you get to die and be buried and give your family closure. The fact that the child will likely be severely disabled if he/she lives is really beside the point.
 
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scatt said:
Sec. 166.049.
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This is from that section....
A person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient.

Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Renumbered from Sec. 672.019 and amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 450, Sec. 1.03, eff. Sept. 1, 1999.
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They are not sustaining her life. Unless reports are wrong, she is legally dead. I say again. They are not sustaining the life of the patient. She is dead.
 
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nota bene said:
“The fetus suffers from hydrocephalus [water on the brain].
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Water on the brain huh? So then the fetus is going to become a great swimmer.
 
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