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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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ttwtt78640 said:
The risk is born not only by the state but the family of the potential child. To be "blessed" with a child requiring constant, specialized care may sound good in theory but places a severe burden on those not allowed to make the decision.
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tell that to every guy who ever had to pay child support for 18 years for a child he never wanted and never was allowed to make the decision.

in any case, IF the fetus was severely damaged, chance are very high that it will miscarry or die shortly after birth anyway.

FWIW, we can check for fetal brain activity as early as the 24th week of pregnancy.
 
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scatt said:
I do not believe the law references the success of those life-sustaining pieces of equipment as a requirement.
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They are not life sustaining. She is dead.
 
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nota bene said:
But she is on "life support," and her body's functions are being maintained artificially.
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She is dead.

And try as they might they cannot maintain a dead person artificially without some body decay over time.
 
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You two already had this explained to you in post #513.

You didn't read it the first time, or you don't have a valid rebuttal.

By law, the hospital can't turn off the life support during a pregnancy. Yeah, brain death is death, which means she is dead. Still can't turn it off.

The treatment isn't for the deceased. There were two patients, there still is one.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
If it was my child, and my responsibility, yes. I took care of my mother for the last 25 years of her life, many of those years while she was bedridden and changing and washing her several times a day. Before that, I took care of my father in similar circumstances. They didn't want to be put in a home or facility and I valued their lives, such as they were, to the very end.

It's funny, at least to me, that those on the left are always tossing out the "are you willing to adopt the child" challenge whenever discussing unborn life and yet for every other circumstance where those on the left want to have society and "taxpayers" fund and support the less fortunate, they never claim they are willing to have the homeless live with them, the unemployed live with them, the handicapped live with them, the addicted live with them. No, there's no need for anyone on the left to take personal responsibility for the millions they want society to support, yet anyone who values the defenseless lives of the unborn must be willing to personally adopt every child saved.

That attitude is a disgrace.
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Yep, I want to take in a special needs child so that I can tell the wonderful story of how the damaged kid was kept alive in it's Mother's dead body for a period of months. Just so I could devote my life to the child's constant needs.

Will my listeners be amazed at modern medicine, or will they repel away from Mom's dead body?
 
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OscarB63 said:
at this point, we have no way of knowing whether or not the fetus is disabled, severely or otherwise.
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A woman can make a choice to abort at 14 weeks for whatever reason. It is hypocritical and disgusting that a dead woman can be forced to maintain a pregnancy against the expressed wishes of her next of kin (who speaks for her after death)when a healthy living person can make that decision for any reason.

What the hell is going on??
 
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year2late said:
They are not life sustaining.
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The machines are specifically life-sustaining machines.
 
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d0gbreath said:
Yep, I want to take in a special needs child so that I can tell the wonderful story of how the damaged kid was kept alive in it's Mother's dead body for a period of months. Just so I could devote my life to the child's constant needs.
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Really? Good for you for wanting to take personal responsibility and provide for the kids you create.
 
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d0gbreath said:
Yep, I want to take in a special needs child so that I can tell the wonderful story of how the damaged kid was kept alive in it's Mother's dead body for a period of months. Just so I could devote my life to the child's constant needs.

Will my listeners be amazed at modern medicine, or will they repel away from Mom's dead body?
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You could have saved the keystrokes - I don't do crazy.
 
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year2late said:
A woman can make a choice to abort at 14 weeks for whatever reason.
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Sadly, yes, that sort of killing would be legal. Didn't happen here though, so completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
 
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JayDubya said:
Really? Good for you for wanting to take personal responsibility and provide for the kids you create.
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My kids are older than you.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
You could have saved the keystrokes - I don't do crazy.
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Your crazy is OK. You want to keep a fetus alive in a dead woman's body.
 
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d0gbreath said:
My kids are older than you.
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Quite possibly. Definitely irrelevant.

d0gbreath said:
Your crazy is OK. You want to keep a fetus alive in a dead woman's body.
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You want the hospital to kill a kid appropriate of nothing and you're calling other people "crazy." :lol:

Sorry, but the law doesn't agree with you and I certainly won't be voting with you in any effort to change it.
 
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JayDubya said:
Quite possibly. Definitely irrelevant.



You want to kill a kid appropriate of nothing and you're calling other people crazy. Sorry, but the law doesn't agree with you and I certainly won't be voting with you in any effort to change it.
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It alludes to the idea that I'm not making children these days.

Then we shall cancel each other out.
 
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d0gbreath said:
It alludes to the idea that I'm not making children these days.
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Irrelevant.

No one has sex thinking, "yay, I sure hope we have a kid with a horrible disability!"

You were suggesting that not wanting such an eventuality means that you're not responsible for taking care of your kids... I felt that suggestion warranted a response.


This isn't ancient Sparta, we don't just throw kids that don't pass muster down a cliff... and at this point we don't even know anything about the kid except for the normal healthy heartbeat...
 
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JayDubya said:
Irrelevant.

No one has sex thinking, yay, I sure hope I have a kid with a horrible disability! You're suggesting that not wanting such an eventuality means that you're not responsible for taking care of your kids...
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Not really. Many 'problems' can be found now-a-days, long before birth. I have a friend that had to make a decision to abort conjoined at the head twins a few years back. He's Catholic, which I'm sure made it that much harder.

We do throw many kids down that cliff. It just happens before they are born.
 
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d0gbreath said:
Your crazy is OK. You want to keep a fetus alive in a dead woman's body.
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Do you support welfare? How many homeless/poor have you taken into your own home?

Do you support extended unemployment insurance benefits? How many unemployed have you financially supported?

Do you support food stamps? How many hungry do you feed on a regular basis?

Yes, I want to keep a fetus alive, if it's at all possible to help that fetus survive and move to independence. Just so happens the only chance for that fetus to survive at this point is while remaining within his/her dead mother's body. I remember seeing not long ago doctors were growing a new nose for a man on his forehead - gosh, that sure looked crazy at first, but then it became apparent that the momentary crazy is actually pretty sane and humane when it provides a life or better life for someone. So yea, put me down for fetus in his/her dead mother crazy.
 
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d0gbreath said:
Not really. Many 'problems' can be found now-a-days, long before birth.
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Well hooray for that. :roll:

I suppose we are pretty comparable to Spartan eugenics after all...
 
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JayDubya said:
Well hooray for that. :roll:

I suppose we are pretty comparable to Spartan eugenics after all...
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To me, this is a thread about allowing a pregnant woman to die with dignity.

Shouldn't some of ya'll be in the abortion folder?
 
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d0gbreath said:
Not really. Many 'problems' can be found now-a-days, long before birth. I have a friend that had to make a decision to abort conjoined at the head twins a few years back. He's Catholic, which I'm sure made it that much harder.
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I'm guessing unless your friend is the first male to ever become impregnanted, he didn't make any decision to abort that someone else didn't make for him. And since he wasn't the one aborting or being aborted, I'm also guessing it wasn't "much harder" than the decision was for the conjoined twins who got all the benefits of that move.
 
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d0gbreath said:
To me, this is a thread about allowing a pregnant woman to die with dignity.

Shouldn't some of ya'll be in the abortion folder?
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The pregnant woman already died with dignity. This thread is about protecting an unborn life.
 
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d0gbreath said:
To me, this is a thread about allowing a pregnant woman to die with dignity.
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Kind of late to be talking about that, as she's already dead. Once the kid's safe, the machines will be turned off.

Shouldn't some of ya'll be in the abortion folder?
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You're the one bringing up abortion. year2late did that too a few posts ago, and I was pointing out its irrelevance to the topic at hand.

The mom didn't kill her kid. Whatever we may think about it, she could have if she wanted to, and she didn't. Too late now.... hence me saying... irrelevant.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm guessing unless your friend is the first male to ever become impregnanted, he didn't make any decision to abort that someone else didn't make for him. And since he wasn't the one aborting or being aborted, I'm also guessing it wasn't "much harder" than the decision was for the conjoined twins who got all the benefits of that move.
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Do you remember the conjoined at the head twins that were delivered and separated some time ago? The Mother was Salvadoran I do believe.

The last picture that I saw had the toddlers wearing cute helmets that were going to be changed for harder helmets later. Those boys must be teenagers now. Where are the pictures of how they look as nice young men?
 
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d0gbreath said:
Do you remember the conjoined at the head twins that were delivered and separated some time ago? The Mother was Salvadoran I do believe.

The last picture that I saw had the toddlers wearing cute helmets that were going to be changed for harder helmets later. Those boys must be teenagers now. Where are the pictures of how they look as nice young men?
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Perhaps this is what you're referring to: Formerly conjoined Guatemalan twin girls turn 10 - Worldnews.com

Two young girls, formerly conjoined twins, who as infants/toddlers had a 23 hour operation and have now survived and are thriving as pre-teens.

It's a damn shame, isn't it, when they could have just been suctioned out of their mother's womb and flushed to make some people feel "dignified".
 
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