Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
DNR? She is already DEAD. The husband wants her wishes respected. They are not resuscitating her. They are ventilating a dead person.

They are following the law, sure.

minnie616 · Jan 20, 2014

Ben K. said:
Well if they insist on continuing I wish them all the luck in the world. From my experience and what we know, the prognosis is worse than terrible.

Unfortunately I have to concur with your prognosis.

nota bene · Jan 20, 2014

Still, nobody knows.

OscarB63 · Jan 20, 2014

nota bene said:
Still, nobody knows.

true, and if the fetus was seriously harmed by oxygen deprivation, it will probably self-terminate via miscarriage anyway. I don't see the harm in keeping her on life-support to give it a chance.

nota bene · Jan 20, 2014

Marlise Munoz is in her 21st week, and I've read that more tests will be run at 24 weeks.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

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scatt said:
They are following the law, sure.

You do not resuscitate a person that is legally dead.

Again, you have failed to show us the law that says that it applies to a dead person. We have looked and we have not found the information. Unless you have such information, the law does not apply to a dead person.

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
You do not resuscitate a person that is legally dead.

Unless pregnant.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

minnie616 said:
Unfortunately I have to concur with your prognosis.

I agree. I wish them all the best under these horrible circumstances. But to have a major circulatory collapse and loss of oxygen to the point you are brain dead at 14 weeks gestation? Does not bode well for the fetus.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

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scatt said:
Unless pregnant.

You AGAIN miss the point. There is no resuscitating a legally dead person.

re·sus·ci·tate verb \ri-ˈsə-sə-ˌtāt\

: to bring (someone who is unconscious, not breathing, or close to death) back to a conscious or active state again

There is NO resuscitation for her. She is DEAD.

They are keeping a corpse on a ventilator - NOT RESUSCITATING HER. Unless you think magically she can come back to life.

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
There is no resuscitating a legally dead person.

In this case there is just that.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

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scatt said:
In this case there is just that.

Resuscitating means attempting to bring the person back to live. Are you saying she has a remote possibility of being brought back to life??

The are NOT resuscitating. The are keeping a corpse on a ventilator against the wishes of the next of kin to act as a vessel.

NOT RESUSCITATING.

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
NOT RESUSCITATING.

They are keeping her on life sustaining medical equipment.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

scatt said:
They are keeping her on life sustaining medical equipment.

No they are not. She is not alive. Are you saying brain dead people are alive?

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
No they are not.

But they are, that is what kind of equipment they are using. This is not up for debate.

year2late · Jan 20, 2014

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scatt said:
But they are, that is what kind of equipment they are using. This is not up for debate.

Her life is not sustained. She is dead.

That is not up for debate.

DEAD. Not PVS. Not comatose, DEAD! Her life is not sustained.

scatt · Jan 20, 2014

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year2late said:
Her life is not sustained.

I do not believe the law references the success of those life-sustaining pieces of equipment as a requirement.

d0gbreath · Jan 20, 2014

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CanadaJohn said:
Doesn't seem insane to me - but then we never know the entire story when these things come up.

If the developing child is healthy and can be brought to term, it seems logical to me to do so. I have to say, and all people are different, but if it was my pregnant wife who died in this manner, I'd desperately want the child to survive if he/she could to help honour and remember the woman I loved.

Personally, I think it's insanity that the husband wouldn't want to do everything possible to save the child - unless, of course, he didn't want it in the first place.

So a severely disabled baby is going to honor the woman that he loved?

nota bene · Jan 20, 2014

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But she is on "life support," and her body's functions are being maintained artificially.

OscarB63 · Jan 20, 2014

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d0gbreath said:
So a severely disabled baby is going to honor the woman that he loved?

at this point, we have no way of knowing whether or not the fetus is disabled, severely or otherwise.

CanadaJohn · Jan 20, 2014

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d0gbreath said:
So a severely disabled baby is going to honor the woman that he loved?

I cherish all children equally, severely disabled or otherwise.

I'd ask you, killing the developing child she was nurturing and caring for honors her how? I thought our society had advanced past the sacrificial offering stage.

ttwtt78640 · Jan 20, 2014

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OscarB63 said:
at this point, we have no way of knowing whether or not the fetus is disabled, severely or otherwise.

But we do have a clue - since the mother died of oxygen deprivation.

d0gbreath · Jan 20, 2014

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CanadaJohn said:
I cherish all children equally, severely disabled or otherwise.

I'd ask you, killing the developing child she was nurturing and caring for honors her how? I thought our society had advanced past the sacrificial offering stage.

So you're willing to adopt the child, even if you have to change diapers for 40 years?

OscarB63 · Jan 20, 2014

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ttwtt78640 said:
But we do have a clue - since the mother died of oxygen deprivation.

not necessarily. research indicates that the younger and less developed the brain, the more resistant it is to damage caused by oxygen deprivation

The researchers add that, since the newborn brain appears to be able to sustain itself without tightly controlled blood flow, their findings suggest that the infant brain may be intrinsically more resistant to damage due to a lack of oxygen than the adult brain.

Infant brain controls blood flow differently | Futurity

point being, we just don't know. so what's the harm in giving the fetus a chance?

CanadaJohn · Jan 20, 2014

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d0gbreath said:
So you're willing to adopt the child, even if you have to change diapers for 40 years?

If it was my child, and my responsibility, yes. I took care of my mother for the last 25 years of her life, many of those years while she was bedridden and changing and washing her several times a day. Before that, I took care of my father in similar circumstances. They didn't want to be put in a home or facility and I valued their lives, such as they were, to the very end.

It's funny, at least to me, that those on the left are always tossing out the "are you willing to adopt the child" challenge whenever discussing unborn life and yet for every other circumstance where those on the left want to have society and "taxpayers" fund and support the less fortunate, they never claim they are willing to have the homeless live with them, the unemployed live with them, the handicapped live with them, the addicted live with them. No, there's no need for anyone on the left to take personal responsibility for the millions they want society to support, yet anyone who values the defenseless lives of the unborn must be willing to personally adopt every child saved.

That attitude is a disgrace.

ttwtt78640 · Jan 20, 2014

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OscarB63 said:
not necessarily. research indicates that the younger and less developed the brain, the more resistant it is to damage caused by oxygen deprivation

Infant brain controls blood flow differently | Futurity

point being, we just don't know. so what's the harm in giving the fetus a chance?

The risk is born not only by the state but the family of the potential child. To be "blessed" with a child requiring constant, specialized care may sound good in theory but places a severe burden on those not allowed to make the decision.

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